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Fossils As Basis Or Evidence For Myths & Legends

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Digging in Folklore, Unearthing Science

By FELICIA R. LEE
Published: June 12, 2004

PRINCETON, N.J. — Adrienne Mayor, known as a folklorist, has a story for each of the objects inside her curio chest: the gila monster stuffed by her great-grandfather, the skeletons, a Zuni fetish in the shape of a dinosaur and casts of mastodon teeth collected by Abenaki Indians in 1739 along the Ohio River, among others.

The casts, though, are one of Ms. Mayor's favorite curiosities because they represent the first American fossils ever studied by scientists.

"It all comes back to the question that is at the center of my research: what are the first inklings of science?" said Ms. Mayor, a short 58-year-old with black wire-framed glasses, a gentle manner and a musical voice. "All these stories I collect are based on observation and interpretation, which is what science is. Science didn't just burst on the scene, but it wasn't noticed because it was written in mythological language."

Ms. Mayor was talking in the living room of her home on a quiet dead-end street in this leafy community. Although she lives in a university town, she came late to scholarship after spending most of her professional life as a printmaker and freelance copy editor. "I never even thought about writing a book until I was 50 years old," she said.

But when Ms. Mayor's first book, "The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times" (Princeton University Press), came out four years ago, this late-blooming outsider with no advanced degrees caused something of a sensation among high-ranking anthropologists, paleontologists, geologists and others. She used Roman and Greek texts to argue that some fossils were used to support or create myths about strange creatures in the ancient world.

"Art historians think that Ms. Mayor may well have solved the puzzle of the Corinthian vase depicting Heracles shooting arrows at the head of the monster of the Troy legend," John Noble Wilford wrote in The New York Times in 2000. She noticed that the mysterious monster's head closely resembled the skull of an extinct giraffe.

Now Ms. Mayor is at it again. She said her third and latest book, a combination of history, archaeology, folklore and old-fashioned detective work, would be the first scholarly attempt to set the record straight about Native American contributions to paleontology.

American museums often juxtapose Indian artifacts with dinosaur remains, Ms. Mayor said, but curators never seem to make the connection between local native cultures and the evidence of remarkable creatures from another age that the Indians had encountered on their lands. ("The message you get is that both are extinct," she said.) So she took on the task of documenting the extensive paleontological knowledge of many Indians, expanding a historical record that showed that they often served as sources and guides for early fossil expeditions.

But many of the Native Americans' contributions were either lost or dismissed as myth as paleontology sought to become a more formal science, she explained. Sometimes they were ignored because of racist ideas about Native Americans, Ms. Mayor said. And because Native American history is largely passed down orally, much of it was simply not written down. Her corrective journey took her everywhere from museums in Paris to Indian reservations around the United States. She drove more than 8,000 miles, her companions several small wire-bound notebooks, as well as a sleeping bag, water and food.

Ms. Mayor ended up finding many of the native people's explanations for the fossils on Indian reservations, where residents were surprisingly forthcoming. Sometimes she literally went door to door, seeking medicine men and traditional historians, hoping to make a connection with people who often regard their stories as personal possessions.

"In Pine Ridge, S.D., I knocked on the door of Johnson Holy Rock," she recalled, referring to an 87-year-old Lakota historian. "I just knocked on the door, and he let me in. He talked to me for two and a half hours. He wanted to talk about Crazy Horse. His father was there with Custer; he was just a little boy. He recalled an old story about warriors' watching thunder in the valley and finding the carcass of a creature they'd never seen before, a gigantic rhinoceroslike beast."

The Comanche people in Oklahoma, she said, told stories about grandmothers' sending them out to find the bones of monsters, which they would grind into a powder for medicine or mix with water to set bones.

"They said you could tell if it was the right bone if it stuck to your tongue," Ms. Mayor said. Researching that report, she discovered that paleontologists do indeed lick bones to tell whether they are real fossils, because the real ones cling to the tongue. (Fossil bone is hydrophilic, which means that it absorbs moisture.)

"I expect a little controversy with this book because of the continuing tension, quite raw, between paleontologists and Native Americans," Ms. Mayor said.

There is a continuing debate between the two groups over who owns the fossil-rich land (and what's inside it) and over who can interpret those findings, she explained. Some traditional Native Americans do not believe in digging beneath the earth's surface or in disturbing fossils.

That battle plays out against an ugly history of scholars' taking Native American skulls and turning them over to natural history museums. She said some paleontologists told her that they feared that Native Americans would try to reclaim some of the fossils now in museums as cultural artifacts belonging to their people.

But the two groups are not as far apart as they think, Ms. Mayor insisted. Each believes there is something valuable to learn from fossils. One idea that she likes, suggested by some Native Americans, is to build museums right over the fossils, on the reservations. It would help the reservation economy and allow museum visitors to see the actual bones right in the ground. (The view would depend on soil erosion and on how much dirt the paleontologists removed.)

"I think she is very courageous to take on the archaeological and anthropological establishment," said Vine Deloria Jr., a leading Native American scholar and professor emeritus of history at the University of Colorado, Boulder. "From our correspondence, I feel it will be a well-researched book asking piercing questions."

Ms. Mayor said she was mostly surprised and delighted by the interest in her work, which captivates not just scientists but also schoolchildren who attend her lectures. In August the History Channel plans to broadcast a show (as yet untitled) about the first fossil hunters, based on her first book.

One of Ms. Mayor's admirers is Barry S. Strauss, a professor of history and classics at Cornell. He said Ms. Mayor was "one of those people with a way of flying in under the radar, and then suddenly it seems as if her presence was there all along." He described her as both modest and exuberant.

"Before Mayor, it seemed outlandish that Greeks and Romans collected fossils, much less based their myths on them," Mr. Strauss said. "Now it seems obviously true. Before Mayor, poison arrows and man-made plagues seemed a far cry from ancient warfare, but now it looks like they were always waiting in the wings."

Ms. Mayor, who has a bachelor's degree in classical legend from the University of Minnesota, Minneapolis — she invented the major by combining her interests in history, science and folklore studies — explained: "I was talking to classicists and archaeologists to point out how interesting this all was. I saw a pattern that nobody else saw."

Her second book, "Greek Fire, Poison Arrows and Scorpion Bombs: Biological and Chemical Warfare in the Ancient World" (Overlook Duckworth, 2003), was also well received, exciting scholars like Robert Cowley, a founder and former editor of MHQ: The Quarterly Journal of Military History. It didn't hurt that the book came out post 9/11, after anthrax became a household word, and there was a resurgence in scholarly interest in the origins and history of war.

"The books are intriguing," said Michael Novacek, the curator of paleontology at the American Museum of Natural History, in Manhattan. "They do have a detective flair, so they make fascinating reading. She takes evidence and matches it with ideas in an insightful way."

Mr. Novacek said that while he did not agree with all the connections that Ms. Mayor makes (like that between griffins and the dinosaurs in the Gobi Desert), he respected her for the originality of her views and for inspiring scholars to find a fresh way of intertwining history and paleontology.

Ms. Mayor's new book, "Fossil Legends of the First Americans," to be published by Princeton next spring, comes at a challenging time in her life. In December she was told she had breast cancer and underwent surgery and chemotherapy. Most of her hair has fallen out. The support of her husband, Josiah Ober, a professor of ancient Greek history at Princeton, has been invaluable, she said, as have the understanding and empathy of others as she has pushed back deadlines.

"It's ironic that I would have researched all those poisons, and now I experience it firsthand," she said evenly, sitting in front of the curio chest, a jaunty beret covering her head. She said she was now looking ahead, considering a book on the Amazons, even as she indulges in the introspection that often comes with illness or finishing a big project.

"I didn't expect all this attention to this field," Ms. Mayor said, coming back to the constant theme of her short, surprising career. "I'm an outsider and ordinary person with ordinary questions but the determination to find the answers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/12/arts/12MAYO.html?pagewanted=2

Her site on this:

hometown.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/writing.html
Link and website are defunct. The MIA webpage can be accessed via the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080705131857/http://hometown.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/writing.html


She has also written a lot on the influence of fossils on legends and it is fascinating stuff - she could write a great article for FT too ;)

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small contribution but: you know those common monovalves shell fossils called Devil's Toenails? They're called that because people used to think they were devil's toenails.
 
That's a wonderful, wonderful link/story Emperor. Thanks! :)

Faggus' post brings to mind one of the most (in)famous of these: glossopetrae (tongue stones). The explanation for what fossilized shark's teeth are is that they were serpent's tongues St. Paul had turned into stone.

Perhaps not a hypothesis that lends itself to a performing a repeatable experiment. :D ;)
 
I always thought that the pictograms that appeared to depict dinosaurs could be pictograms depicting dinosaurs as their remains might be interpreted by people who lived in a very fossil-rich area.
 
The scientific community has long suggested relics promoted as evidence for ancient / mythic giant humans were in fact fossils of large non-human animals.

This article:

https://www.livescience.com/59837-how-real-fossils-inspired-giant-myths.html

... describes the first survey study (of which I'm aware) aimed at identifying and examining historical claims for giants based on discoveries of large bones and skulls.

Cyclops and Dragon Tongues: How Real Fossils Inspired Giant Myths
... In the past, when people stumbled across similar fossils eroding out of hillsides and scattering the floors of caves, they too saw giants. But in many cases, up until the 17th century, observers imagined those giants to be people (or mythical creatures).

Scientists have now rounded up cases around the world, particularly in Europe, in which some "giant" bones were kept in churches as artifacts of the world before the biblical flood. Researchers already knew about some of these paleontological inspirations for myths and legend, but the new research, published June 26 in the journal Historical Biology, is one of the most in-depth looks at the phenomenon yet.

Among the paleontological tales are cases of elephant skulls mistaken for cyclops remains in the Mediterranean and a swordfish bone believed to be a dragon's tongue cut out as a trophy by a triumphant giant. ...
 
Here's more info on the article cited above, along with the abstract ...

The skeletons of Cyclops and Lestrigons: misinterpretation of Quaternary vertebrates as remains of the mythological giants
Marco Romano & Marco Avanzini
Historical Biology: An International Journal of Paleobiology
Pages 1-24 Published online: 26 Jun 2017

Abstract
The myth of giants as first inhabitants of countries is a common legend shared by different cultures. In this paper, we highlight that one of the determining factors of the origination of the myth was the discovery of large vertebrate bones (largely Cenozoic), initially interpreted as the remains of giant humans. Thus, huge skeletons were interpreted by authoritative writers such as Strabo, Philostratus and Pliny (just to name a few) as the bodies of the mythological giant Antaeus, Ilio son of Hercules, Orestes, Cyclops and many others. As for the myth of the Great Flood, also the hypothesis of the giants found a convenient literal confirmation in the Sacred Scriptures. One of the first correct interpretations takes place in the first half of the eighteenth century with the studies of Hans Sloane which applied some rudiments of comparative anatomy to prove that the bones belonged to large cetaceans or terrestrial quadrupeds. In the Italian panorama, until the eighteenth century, several authors were convinced of the past existence of entire nations of giants, which represented the first populations of Mediterranean islands. Sloane’s work had a great impact also in Italy, although some ‘sacs of resistance’ persisted up to mid-nineteenth century.
 
Here's a story concerning how early scientists' and naturalists' inquiries were influenced - and even biased - by their culture's prevailing mythos. Here's the introductory setup for the lengthy and entertaining essay ...
Why This 18th-Century Naturalist Believed He’d Discovered an Eyewitness to the Biblical Flood

Fossils have fascinated and puzzled humans since prehistoric times. They frequently have strange shapes unlike anything we know in the world around us today. And their mystery has confounded naturalists and scholars for centuries. Take for example, a strange skeleton that was uncovered near a small town in southern Germany in the early 18th century by a Swiss scholar who said he’d discovered the “bony frame of a man” that had drowned in the flood recounted in the Bible's book of Genesis. ...

But what are fossils? ... Were fossils mere plays of nature, or ludes naturae? How did they form? Was it possible that they were the remains of ancient animals and plants?

Why were they sometimes found high in the mountains? Early scientists looked to the biblical story that told of a flood that was said to have covered the entire earth, and thus, to 17th-century scholars such as the Danish physician Nicholas Steno and the German mathematician and philosopher Gottfried Leibniz, it made perfect sense that fossils on mountain sides and deep in the ground had been left there in the wake of the flood. The English scholar John Woodward further developed this idea in his 1695 Essay Toward a Natural History of the Earth ...

Woodward’s essay fascinated the Swiss physician and naturalist Johann Jakob Scheuchzer (1672-1733) so much so that he translated the essay into Latin ...

Incredibly curious about the world around him, Scheuchzer amassed a large collection of fossils, which led him to ponder their origin. And therein lies the tale of how Scheuchzer came to insist that the fossil he had acquired must have been a human witness to the flood. ...

In his quest, Scheuchzer would get quite ahead of himself when he came across a fossil that, in his eyes, offered incontrovertible evidence that humans had perished in the biblical flood. ...
FULL STORY: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smit...scovered-eyewitness-biblical-flood-180973973/
 
RE: Adrienne Mayor's work on fossils' role in stimulating legends and folklore ...

Her site on this:
hometown.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/writing.html
Link and website are defunct. The MIA webpage can be accessed via the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080705131857/http://hometown.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/writing.html


She has also written a lot on the influence of fossils on legends and it is fascinating stuff - she could write a great article for FT too ;)

Here's the 2008 version of Ms. Mayor's homepage / index page (archived at the Wayback Machine):

https://web.archive.org/web/20080517081522/http://hometown.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/resume.html
 
This was discussed on today's Quora.

The mammoth/elephant remains being interpreted as a Cyclops is perhaps understandable:

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But vivid imaginations, fuelled by superstition and some very dodgy medieval artists can account for most creatures in the fanciful bestiary.

Just look at how they depicted even commonplace creatures like cats and horses:

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