'Havana Syndrome': Diplomatic Staff Malaise In Cuba & China—A Sonic Or Microwave Weapon?

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And now it hits Colombia.

US officials are investigating possible cases of Havana syndrome illness in Colombia, days before a visit by the Secretary of State, US media say.

US embassy staff in Bogota may have been injured by the mysterious illness, which causes a painful sound in the ears, fatigue and dizziness. First reported in Cuba in 2016, US diplomats around the world have since reported cases of the syndrome. Its origins are unknown, with some speculating it is a type of weapon.

On Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal first reported that emails sent by US Ambassador to Colombia Philip Goldberg confirmed a number of "unexplained health incidents" or UHIs - the term used for Havana syndrome by the US government - since mid-September.

Colombian President Iván Duque told the New York Times that the country is investigating the reports. He added that the US is leading the inquiry.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58893344
 

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The widespread reports worldwide is more evidence that this isn't a mysterious weapons technology. It's getting to be like Bigfoot - everywhere and nowhere.

I'd add an anecdote: My husband's COVID condition last March included ringing in the ears, headaches and fatigue. The ringing never really stopped and it bothered him a lot. He has since connected it to overuse of NSAIDs.

See: https://www.seattletimes.com/life/wellness/ears-ringing-check-your-pain-pill-use/
 

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Long before Havana Syndrome, the U.S. reported microwaves beamed at an embassy​


/by long before they mean all the way back to the 1970's

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/21/1047...-u-s-reported-microwaves-beamed-at-an-embassy

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"The National Security Agency confirms there is intelligence information from 2012 associating the hostile country to which Mr. Beck traveled in the late 1990s with a high powered microwave system weapon that may have the ability to weaken, intimidate or kill an enemy over time and without leaving evidence," the letter said.

"This weapon is designed to target the living quarters in microwaves, causing numerous physical effects, including a damaged nervous system," the letter added.
 

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Check out this eye-opening podcast episode from Faye Flam's Follow the Science.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4NcaNTy8A262ANXcNSkTac
A neurologist says that psychosomatic illness is relatively easy to diagnose. The problem with mass psychogenic illness is that the public and non-specialists find it too hard to digest. They can accept the minor symptoms of stress (headaches, nausea, etc.), but the brain can trigger way more dramatic reactions. Examples are numerous. Anytime you see "mystery illness" affecting many, this is often a signal that mass psychogenic illness is at play.
 

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Check out this eye-opening podcast episode from Faye Flam's Follow the Science.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4NcaNTy8A262ANXcNSkTac
A neurologist says that psychosomatic illness is relatively easy to diagnose. The problem with mass psychogenic illness is that the public and non-specialists find it too hard to digest. They can accept the minor symptoms of stress (headaches, nausea, etc.), but the brain can trigger way more dramatic reactions. Examples are numerous. Anytime you see "mystery illness" affecting many, this is often a signal that mass psychogenic illness is at play.
According to this web page 'Sharon,' it seems to suggest that - if there is no obvious answer found to be the cause of such outbreaks, then MPI seems to be the fall-back position?
(If you check out the 'Research' paragraph ~ it states. . . "you find a group of people getting sick, you investigate, you measure everything you can measure … and when you still can't find any physical reason, you say 'well, there's nothing else here, so let's call it a case of MPI.")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness
 

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According to this web page 'Sharon,' it seems to suggest that - if there is no obvious answer found to be the cause of such outbreaks, then MPI seems to be the fall-back position?
(If you check out the 'Research' paragraph ~ it states. . . "you find a group of people getting sick, you investigate, you measure everything you can measure … and when you still can't find any physical reason, you say 'well, there's nothing else here, so let's call it a case of MPI.")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness
Wikipedia is rarely up to date on scientific findings. If you listen to the neurologist in this podcast, she states that there are clinical criteria for diagnosing neurological issues because the body acts in predictable ways. After studying many historical incidents of psychosomatic/psychogenic illness, there are now clinical criteria for diagnosing that condition. This was the first I've heard it put this way but it makes sense. We do know with a high degree of certainty that stress conditions cause illnesses.
 

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Four new cases attributed to this mystery malaise have been reported from Europe.
'Havana syndrome': US baffled after new cases in Europe

Four more US diplomats working in Geneva and Paris have fallen ill with a suspected neurological illness known as "Havana syndrome", US media report.

Three diplomats became sick in the Swiss city and one in the French capital last summer, with some 200 people affected over five years.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the American government was working to get to the bottom of the mystery. ...

The latest cases include one person who was evacuated from Switzerland to the US for treatment, media reports say. ...
FULL STORY: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59986297
 

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Its winter; cold they have some form of Flu?
 

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Is two hundred people a lot for a psychosomatic illness, or is there something physical happening (so to speak)?
 

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Is two hundred people a lot for a psychosomatic illness, or is there something physical happening (so to speak)?
I'm thinking that something real is happening.
 

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A small, relatively weak, country with a low GDP is at odds with the USA for ideological reasons, aware the USA's ideological position is utterly opposed to the existance of Cuba in its current form. its admnistration knows it can't match the US on big-ticket military items as it lacks the resurces and the infrastructure to do this. So it thinks creatively and asks what it can do, within its means, to find low-tech low-cost weapons to fight with, ideally things the USA hasn't attempted to create or research and can't easily replicate - things that offer an edge, however small. I'm wndering. Has this effect been replicated among people stationed at Guantamero, the American foothold on the island? Pointing them at the Americans here might be the next stage. If the word gets out the Cubans have some sort of weapon that we don't and it can induce illness from a distance, that's also good psy warfare!
 

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Is two hundred people a lot for a psychosomatic illness, or is there something physical happening (so to speak)?
Not at all, considering the internet transmits fears worldwide in an instant.
 

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I'm thinking that something real is happening.
It's definitely real, people are ill. But there is no good evidence at all to conclude it's due to a weapon of any sort.
 

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It's definitely real, people are ill. But there is no good evidence at all to conclude it's due to a weapon of any sort.
I'm just wondering, if the so-called 'Havana Syndrome' might somehow be related to affecting some people (exposure wise) by overusing a computer, or mobile device for far too long a period?
Only, I came across some relevant reports (online) that eyes, brain and physical damage can, and does occur by continual overuse, and by being far to close to a screen device, as symptoms seem not that far away from H' Syndrome damage, or so it seems?
 

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Curiouser and curioser.

But a CIA official told the BBC's US partner CBS the agency had "so far not found evidence of state-actor involvement in any incident".

Most cases of a mysterious illness striking US officials dubbed "Havana syndrome" were not caused by a foreign power, CIA officials say.
Since 2016, US diplomats around the world have reported symptoms - sparking suggestions Russia, China or another adversary could be responsible.
But a majority of 1,000 cases looked at by the CIA can be explained by stress or natural causes, officials say.
The release of the findings has angered some of those who fell ill.
The CIA is still looking into a small number of unexplained cases, where the role of a foreign power has not been ruled out.
Americans who have been hit by Havana syndrome have described dizziness, headaches and an intense and painful sound in their ears. First reported in Cuba in 2016, cases have since been reported in Geneva, Berlin and elsewhere.

Some US officials have previously suggested the illness could be caused by microwave attacks, fuelling speculation the illness could be a kind of weapon from a foreign actor such as Russia. Moscow has always denied any involvement.

But a CIA official told the BBC's US partner CBS the agency had "so far not found evidence of state-actor involvement in any incident".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60068483
 
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