Ilkley Moor Alien Photo (Yorkshire; December 1987)

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Lot of sheep about in that video - could they be the culprits?

Interesting case in that it's mostly pre-CGI, so the alien would have to be something physical in the location. A model is a possibility, but we're into alien autopsy "what happened to it?" territory, then.
 

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Where do people stand on this picture? The reason I ask is that I first saw it reproduced in a book called "Fairies: Real Encounters with Little People" as a possible fairy sighting... so I was surprised to see it known to others in the context of space alien.

Here is a link to the pix and story online

http://www.ufocasebook.com/ilkleymoor.html
looks like aliens wearing a Green Man/Oberon mask
 

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I always feel that this case would have had far more integrity if it hadn't veered into the 'hypnotic regression' territory. People started stating things 'recovered' during the regression as though they were absolute facts rather than something that could be anything from memory to dream to just plain invention. And, of course, having undergone regression would cement the 'memories' in the mind of the witness and make everything they say from there on, suspect.
 

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I always feel that this case would have had far more integrity if it hadn't veered into the 'hypnotic regression' territory. People started stating things 'recovered' during the regression as though they were absolute facts rather than something that could be anything from memory to dream to just plain invention. And, of course, having undergone regression would cement the 'memories' in the mind of the witness and make everything they say from there on, suspect.
I agree, that is one of the worst things that as happened to UFOlogy. It's a purposely suggestive state that causes confabulation, even if there was a real experience to begin with. With an experience that is already very strange, the mind is naturally inclined to fill in blanks or to try and provide a narrative with more meaning = poison for the truth.
 

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Which other case does that apply to...

All of them.

We can only rely on documented evidence prior to this infernal 'hypnotic regression' becoming a factor.
This is true, but I could only really comment on this case. I think the whole 'hypnosis' thing has lost much of its previous appeal and is now generally disregarded.
 

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No, Hypnotic regression is crap, and it always has been.
That is what we now know, but previously it was regarded as an extra tool in the arsenal of 'forgotten memories'. I think that the Satanic Panic drove the last nail into the coffin, but it was widely believed in by a sub set of the community.
 

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I don't think it's any more intelligent to write hypnosis off as quackery than it is to accept whatever results spill out of sessions conducted under questionable conditions. Read the more recent book about the Hill case, written by Uncle Stan and Betty's niece, for an interesting description of the Hills' hypnosis sessions. Notably, their hypnotist, Dr. Simon, was a renowned specialist in dealing with what we now call PTSD. One of his techniques was to implant alternative memories via hypnotic suggestion into the minds of his patients, so they could cope with whatever horrors troubled them. Barney was a WWII vet, so Simon was in very familiar territory. Even though he did not believe for a second that the Hills had been abducted by aliens, he could not shake Barney out of his flying saucer experience. This seems to be the opposite effect to what most critics of hypnosis take as gospel truth.

Hypnosis is a murky subject, to be sure, but it is nowhere near as simple as most people would like to believe. Yes it has been widely abused, just like prescription drugs, by people who know just enough to be dangerous, but tossing the whole subject out as specious is just silly.
 

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I remember seeing that photo on Fantastic Facts presented by Johnathan Ross in about 1993. Strangely the people who did his wikipedia page forgot that one.
 

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In my humble opinion the most ridiculous part of the hypnitic regression transcript is this section:-
JS- What about the other film then? Do you want to tell me about it?

Spencer- I'm not supposed to.

JS- I'll leave that up to you entirely, do you want to say anything about that?

Spencer- I'm not supposed to tell anyone about the other film, it's not for them to know.

JS- Is there any thing more?

Spencer- No.

Really???
 

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JMO that the Ilkley Moor alien photo is actually a man, perhaps on a bicycle, which would explain the short stature. Clearer blowups of the photo show buttons on his jacket and his left hand holding a large bag or something similar. He is looking to his right, two eyes are visible, a nose, mouth and ear. Perhaps a goatee and a hat. Also his right elbow is bent in the right spot and his arms are of normal length. No alien there.
As for the hypnotism issue, I went to a professional hypnotist who could not 'put me under' and gave up. Some time later, I had to go to the hospital for a procedure where I was under anesthesia - upon waking in the recovery room, my face was wet with tears and I had no memory of what had happened. While I was recovering, I watched a few movies, one of which was 'The Search For Bridey Murphy', a true story from the 1950's where a hypnotist puts a woman under and she recalls previous lives. At one point in the movie the hypnotist says, "When I snap my fingers you will remember something you've been hiding from yourself". Well, I suddenly remembered what happened when I was in the hospital unconconscious from the anesthesia when that man in the movie snapped his fingers, instantly. If you had asked me if I believed in hypnotism before that, I would have said of course not - but the fact is, it does work, at least it did for me.
Don't know about that police officer on the Ilkley Moor that day, perhaps he was abducted. JMO hypnotism simply opens the mind and allows memory to come forward very clearly. Someone told me that hypnotism is like a curtain being opened and I agree, our minds have many levels.
 

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I knew a fellow in the 80s who tried many times to stop smoking, and finally went to a hypnotist who claimed to have good success with smokers. He came back swearing he had not been hypnotized, it was a waste of time and money, and even described the conversation he had with the hypnotist during the session. Funny thing is, he didn't smoke anymore.
 

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Going back to Wikipedia, Phillip Spencer when he arrived at his father’s house, he was really shaken and his watch was one hour behind his father’s clocks.

I have to assume he was abducted.

The Daily Telegraph called this one of most British unexplained mysteries.
 

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In 1997 three friends and I saw a UFO on the NJ / Pennsylvania border, in flat farm country. It was in the evening so it was dark, but this thing was hovering above us, quite close, approximately 35 - 40 feet in diameter, round, with flashing lights underneath, no smoke, no sound, nothing. After that experience I definitely believe in other civilizations in the universe.
If Mr. Spencer's hypnotism experience was true, then he was telling the truth about his abduction, jmo. That photo is just a bit too blurry and vague to be certain one way or the other, but I saw this brightened up photo, and it just appears very human, at least to me. Excuse me if someone has posted this particular photo before.
It would be lovely if Mr. Spencer would come forward and speak, or if we could take a good look at the actual photo location on Ilkley Moor to get a more detailed idea. Anyone ever find it?
 

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Compare and contrast!
has anyone else noticed the similarities between these two images?
this: ...
which is the 'Ilkley Moor alien'
and this:
alkelda.f9.co.uk/copgrove.htm
Link is dead. See later post for the MIA webpage's content.

which is an ancient carving on the wall of a Yorkshire church, known as 'the devil's stone'
Here are the text content and photo from the MIA webpage about the 'devil's stone' ...

copgrove.jpg
COPGROVE ...... The Devil's Stone

This unusual carving is located in the east wall of St Michael's church at Copgrove, North Yorkshire. The stone was originally built into the chancel wall inside the church, but it was removed during restoration work in the 19th century.
The church leaflet contains a short note about the stone " .....known as the Devil's Stone ..... of great antiquity probably of Romano- British origin"
The figure may be related to the Sheela-na-gig type "exhibitionist" carvings but this figure might be seen as male or female due to the relief carving of the outline.
The proportions of the figures head and neck seem rather odd and "alien" while the left leg appears to have been broken away in antiquity, but if the leg was bent back and up, (as if standing on one leg), then there may be traces of it below the left "elbow", in which case the left lower arm might be the devil's "tail".
The round object in the right hand (a bowl ?) is not readily identifiable, and the Tau cross or axe may be a later addition (Knights Templars used this type of cross?) but perhaps the biggest mystery is why was such a carving in the church?
SALVAGED FROM THE WAYBACK MACHINE:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060825004221/http://www.alkelda.f9.co.uk/copgrove.htm
 

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... It would be lovely if ... we could take a good look at the actual photo location on Ilkley Moor to get a more detailed idea. Anyone ever find it?

Yes. A photo of a Mr. Tomlinson standing at the figure's location can be found earlier in this thread.
 

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Yes, I realize that Mr Tomlinson was photographed at that exact spot, I've seen the photo many times, but has anyone specified exactly where that spot is, so that others can see it for themselves and measure, etc.?
I've read these threads and see that the spot is supposedly Dale's Way / White Wells, etc., but no exact location has ever been mentioned as far as I can see on the internet.
And has anyone got a link to the Japanese crew that supposedly filmed at that exact spot, I have been unable to locate any information on that either.
 

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Yes, I realize that Mr Tomlinson was photographed at that exact spot, I've seen the photo many times, but has anyone specified exactly where that spot is, so that others can see it for themselves and measure, etc.?
I've read these threads and see that the spot is supposedly Dale's Way / White Wells, etc., but no exact location has ever been mentioned as far as I can see on the internet.
And has anyone got a link to the Japanese crew that supposedly filmed at that exact spot, I have been unable to locate any information on that either.
A detailed attempt at pinning down the location using OS maps can be found in this thread.

Incidentally, when I last looked into this case about a decade ago I came across references to a 'white box' visible to the right of the 'alien's the photo that supposedly corresponds with a similar structure on top of the UFO that emerged during hypnosis i.e. the UFO is tucked in behind a rise in the ground. However, when you view the original image its less than convincing (as is this whole case, sadly).
 

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A detailed attempt at pinning down the location using OS maps can be found in this thread.

Incidentally, when I last looked into this case about a decade ago I came across references to a 'white box' visible to the right of the 'alien's the photo that supposedly corresponds with a similar structure on top of the UFO that emerged during hypnosis i.e. the UFO is tucked in behind a rise in the ground. However, when you view the original image its less than convincing (as is this whole case, sadly).
Thank you, yes I have been studying that, great work by Maximus Otter, fantastic research! If I lived in that area, I'd be taking photos of people of different heights, people on bicycles, photos in different lighting conditions, taking measurements, etc. to see exactly what Mr. Spencer actually photographed there. It would be very interesting, perhaps it really is what he claims. But as you said, unfortunately that vague blurry photo is less than convincing.
 

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After having looked at this photo many times, it always seemed that the person was leaning to the left as if to steady themselves, as one would if riding a bike. Also, the person could be sitting on a bike, their left leg supporting them on the ground, their right leg on the pedal, their right arm is bent in the right position to be holding onto the front of the bike. The photo is just too dark and blurry to show details, but of course it could just be someone walking and putting out their right arm to hold onto the brush there, holding a large bag in his left hand.
Just my thoughts.
 

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Also, I felt that a person sitting on a bicycle would appear of shorter stature. Making him appear odd.
I can see what might be one half of a rear wheel by his right foot (left as we see it). Possibly also a saddle. Meaning that the bike is concealed behind the rides in the ground but in the place you would expect it to be given his posture. The man has a white goatee, possibly Indian (big Indian heritage population in that part of the country)

Or I might see an interstellar visitor,

:confused:
 

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Always strikes me that the 'alien' in this photo appears to have a tie on, maybe it's just me!
And yes, he does appear to have a goatee! LOL
 

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I 'know' a guy online who lives in the Yorkshires not far from that area of Ilkley Moor and he claims that all the older people in the area know/think it was a hoax.
And of course that's completely anecdotal....for what it's worth. ;)
 
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