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Lost City Of Giants: Death Valley

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NOTE: This discussion of an alleged "lost city" in Death Valley has been spun off from the Egyptian Ruins In The Grand Canyon thread.

This story of Giants found in Death Valley seems suspiciously similar:

Trace Of Giants Found In Desert -1947

From Frank Warren
[email protected]
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San Diego Union August 5, 1947

LOS ANGELES, Aug., 4 (AP)- A retired Ohio doctor has discovered relics of an ancient civilization, whose men were 8 or 9 feet tall, in the Colorado desert near the Arizona-Nevada-California line, an associate said today.

Howard E. Hill, of Los Angeles, speaking before the Transportation Club, disclosed that several well preserved mummies were taken yesterday from caverns in an area roughly 180 miles square, extending through much of southern Nevada from Death Valley, Calif., across the Colorado River into Arizona.

Hill said the discoverer is Dr. F. Bruce Russell, retired Cincincatti physician, who stumbled on the first of several tunnels in 1931, soon after coming West and deciding to try mining for his health.

MUMMIES FOUND

Not until this year, however, did Dr. Russell go into the situation thoroughly, Hill told the luncheon. With Dr. Daniel S. Bovee, of Los Angeles - who with his father helped open up New Mexico's cliff dwellings - Dr. Russell has found mummified remains, together with implements of the civilization, which Dr. Bovee had tentatively placed at about 80,000 years old.

" These giants are clothed in garments consisting of a medium length jacket and trouser extending slightly below the knees ," Hill said. "The texture of the material is said to resemble gray dyed sheepskin, but obviously it was taken from an animal unknown today."

MARKINGS DISCOVERED

Hill said that in another cavern was found the ritual hall of the ancient people, together with devices and markings similar to those now used by the Masonic order. In a long tunnel were well preserved remains of animals, including elephants and tigers. So far, Hill added, no women have been found.

He said the explorers believe that what they found was the burial place of the tribes hierarchy. Hieroglyphics, he added, bear a resemblance to what is known of those from the lost continent of Atlantis. They are chiseled, he added, on carefully polished granite.

He said Dr. Viloa V. Pettit, of London, who made excavations around Petra, on the Arabian desert, soon will begin an inspection of the remains.
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www.rense.com/general15/hiss.htm

Caught after Frank Warren reposted it on his blog:
http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2006/02 ... ce-of.html

Some good links:

stevequayle.com/Giants/Ancient.Civ_ ... ath.V.html
Link is dead. The website is still accessible, but no trace of the Death Valley topic can be found.


home.rconnect.com/~arcanaresearch/id6.html
Link is dead. The MIA webpage can be accessed via the Wayback Machine. Here are the URL and an excerpt ...
Death Valley’s Lost City
By David Johanek

Is there a lost city concealed in the cavernous depths of the Panamint Mountains of California’s Death Valley? Or is it merely a tale told by lonely miners dreaming of striking the mother lode? Or perhaps only a con man’s plan to fill his pockets with investor’s funds? A few, claiming to have found the city, became as lost as the ancient place they sought.

Bourke Lee, Death Valley historian and author of the book Death Valley Men, first described the city in 1932. One night Fred White, his wife, and their partner Thomason stumbled into the cabin of miners Jack and Bill. The visitors complained of car trouble. Thomason ventured to Los Angeles for parts leaving White and his wife with the miners. Jack and Bill noted that Thomason returned with a rather large roll of cash. After some debate, the three decided to tell the miners exactly what they were doing in Death Valley.

Some years earlier, White, while prospecting in an abandoned shaft near Wingate Pass, fell through the shaft’s floor. He found himself in a long natural cavern.

“It leads all through a great underground city; through the treasure vaults, the royal palace, and the council chambers; and it connects to a series of beautiful galleries with stone arches in the east slope of the Panamint mountains. Those arches are like big windows in the side of the mountain and they look down on Death Valley.” ...
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See also:

Giant Skeletons:
forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5837
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Death Valley

From the following site, something which I've been unable to find on here and very little information pertaining to on the web, if people have heard more regarding this then please post links to any articles etc.... but also it'd be interesting to hear people's thoughts....

geocities.com/TheTropics/Lag ... anyon.html
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Bourke Lee, in his book 'DEATH VALLEY MEN' (MacMillan Co., N.Y. 1932), chapter: "Old Gold", describes a conversation which he had several years ago with a small group of Death valley residents. The conversation had eventually turned to the subject of Paihute Indian legends. At one point two of the men, Jack and Bill, described their experience with an 'underground city' which they claimed to have discovered after one of them had fallen through the bottom of an old mine shaft near Wingate Pass.

They found themselves in a natural underground cavern which they claimed to have followed about 20 miles north into the heart of the Panamint Mountains. To their amazement, they allegedly found themselves in an huge, ancient, underground cavern city. They claimed that they discovered within the city several perfectly preserved 'mummies', which wore thick arm bands, wielded gold spears, etc. The city had apparently been abandoned for ages, except for the mummies, and the entire underground system looked very ancient. It was formerly lit, they found out by accident, by an ingenious system of lights fed by subterranean gases. They claimed to have seen a large, polished round table which looked as if it may have been part of an ancient council chamber, giant statues of solid gold, stone vaults and drawers full of gold bars and gemstones of all kinds, heavy stone wheelbarrows which were perfectly balanced and scientifically-constructed so that a child could use them, huge stone doors which were almost perfectly balanced by counter-weights, and other incredible sights. They also claimed to have followed the caverns upwards to a higher level which ultimately opened out onto the face of the Panamints, about half-way up the eastern slope, in the form of a few ancient tunnel-like quays. They realized that the valley below was once under water and they eventually came to the conclusion that the arched openings were ancient 'docks' for sea vessels. They could allegedly see Furnace Creek Ranch and Wash far below them.

They told Bourke Lee that they had brought some of the treasure out of the caverns and tried to set up a deal with certain people, including scientists associated with the Smithsonian Institute, in order to gain help to explore and publicize the city as one of the 'wonders of the world'. These efforts ended in disappointment however when a 'friend' of theirs stole the treasure (which was also the evidence) and they were scoffed at and rejected by the scientists when they went to show them the 'mine' entrance and could not find it. A recent cloud- burst, they claimed, had altered and rearranged the entire countryside and the landscape did not look like it had been before.

When Lee last heard from the two men, Bill and Jack, they were preparing to climb the east face of the Panamints to locate the ancient tunnel openings or quays high up the side of the steep slope. Bourke Lee never did see or hear from his friends ever again.

In 1946 a man calling himself Dr. F. Bruce Russell, and claiming to be a retired physician, told a similar story about finding strange underground rooms in the Death Valley area in 1931. He told of a large room with several tunnels leading off in different directions. One of these tunnels led to another large room that contained three mummies. Artifacts found in the room appeared to be a combination of Egyptian and American Indian design. The most amazing thing about the mummies though was the fact that they were more than eight feet tall.

Dr. Russell and a group of investors formed "Amazing Explorations, Inc" to handle the release, and profit, from this remarkable find. But, as stories of this type usually go, Russell disappeared, and the investigators were never able to find the caverns and tunnels again, even though Russell had personally taken them there. The desert can be very deceiving to anyone not used to traveling it. Month's later, Russell's car was found abandoned, with a burst radiator, in a remote area of Death Valley. His suitcase was still in the car.

The old TV series Death Valley Days once ran a short story about western pioneers also finding mummies in the desert. Since one of the script writers stated that "there had never been a script without a solid basis in fact", it would be interesting to find out what their source had been.

For now, these stories will have to be shrouded in mystery, along with the 21,000 year old bones found in California's Imperial Valley, also rumored to have been spirited off by the Smithsonian.
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The news article can be found here...
home.rconnect.com/~arcanaresearch/id6.html
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And how this pertains to some Native American story that ties in with UFO's can be found here.

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/mojave1.html
 
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There ... was a concerted effort for many years (to some extent still to this day) to fabricate evidence of an earlier civilisation inhabiting North America, and ascribing the origin of Native American mounds and artefacts to this precursor race. ...

It seems that people felt that proving that someone had been there prior to the Native Americans would justify modern American claims to the land, and excuse their treatment of Native Americans, as it would mean that the Natives themselves had been savage invaders wiping out an advanced civilisation that came before them.
 
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There was still, to some extent (not necessarily in all cases), a political motivation by white Europeans to explore that element of Native American mythology, though - in part because it supported the notion of a "white" race before the Native Americans, and also because the notion of "giants" fit the Biblical view of the world's history. So much of this plays into the idea of justifying America as being God-given to white Americans.

Exploring the Native American folklore is important, but one should always be wary about recognising that folklore and myth are a living tradition, not a static record - were the giants described as "white" prior to the European colonisation of the Americas? Were elements of the "white giant" myth exaggerated by researchers to support a pre-existing narrative?

You see a similar problem with evangelical Christians citing folklore from other cultures that share aspects of the Biblical record as "proof", without considering that the local folklore may have been influenced at a later date by Christian missionaries, and Christian stories incorporated into an older folk tale.


A quick Google search of the claims in the link you posted shows that claims of Native American "white giant" myths pop up all over various dodgy fringe websites, but very little folkloric or academic record of them, which seems suspect.

Skeptoid - https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4390 - suggests that, at the very least, the Paiute "legend" of white giants is a fabrication. The only question that remains for me is whether the story has been distorted intentionally, or just organically changed in the telling.
 
Yossarian said:
There was still, to some extent (not necessarily in all cases), a political motivation by white Europeans to explore that element of Native American mythology, though - in part because it supported the notion of a "white" race before the Native Americans, and also because the notion of "giants" fit the Biblical view of the world's history. So much of this plays into the idea of justifying America as being God-given to white Americans.

Exploring the Native American folklore is important, but one should always be wary about recognising that folklore and myth are a living tradition, not a static record - were the giants described as "white" prior to the European colonisation of the Americas? Were elements of the "white giant" myth exaggerated by researchers to support a pre-existing narrative?

You see a similar problem with evangelical Christians citing folklore from other cultures that share aspects of the Biblical record as "proof", without considering that the local folklore may have been influenced at a later date by Christian missionaries, and Christian stories incorporated into an older folk tale.


A quick Google search of the claims in the link you posted shows that claims of Native American "white giant" myths pop up all over various dodgy fringe websites, but very little folkloric or academic record of them, which seems suspect.

Skeptoid - https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4390 - suggests that, at the very least, the Paiute "legend" of white giants is a fabrication. The only question that remains for me is whether the story has been distorted intentionally, or just organically changed in the telling.
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Fair comment. If, however, there is some truth behind the American Indian legends, which may be supported by anomalously tall and ancient skeletons, then that should not be suppressed because of political dogma.
 
Any connection between the architecturally-oriented theme of this thread and the topic of pre-Columbian 'giants' in the Americas would seem to require architectural evidence that only makes sense with respect to 'giant' inhabitants.

Are there any architectural remains / ruins in the desert Southwest that insinuate habitation by unusually large humans?
 
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