Manbeast DNA Investigations & Discoveries Incl Sykes, Ketchum

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What semillama said is correct. It is utter hogwash. A hybrid species would show more human features.
I am interested in the Mongolian almas sent o Poland in the 60s. I've never heard of that one. Any one know anything.
 

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I'd heard whisperings, but that's the first mainstream voice I've heard saying it out loud. As you know, there have long been rumours that the Soviet authorities in particular knew far more about Almasty than they ever let on.
 

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It would not surprise me in the least. I'd love to know were that skull is now!
 

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"We ran them against the profiles of the submitters and the lab personnel so we knew that we had pure samples."

What about the profiles of the blueberry bagel bakers?
 

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From this link:

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Thursday, November 29, 2012

Dr. Jeff Meldrum Responds to Melba Ketchum's TV Interview

Posted by Guy Edwards


"Please don't get me wrong. I truly hope she has the brass ring. I want very much for her study to be legitimate and significant." --Dr. Jeff Meldrum on the Dr. Melba Ketchum Bigfoot DNA study

Dr. Jeff Meldrum is the highest profile scientist and academic when it comes to Bigfoot research, he is an Associate Professor of Anatomy and Anthropology and Adjunct Associate Professor of the Department of Anthropology at Idaho State University. His book, a companion to the Documentary of the same name, "Sasquatch Legend meets Science," is a must have in any serious bigfooters library.

Believers and skeptics alike respect Dr. Meldrum's approach to the Bigfoot phenomena. Notable skeptic Brian Dunning has been quoted as saying, "The work of responsible scientists like Dr. Meldrum is exactly what true skeptics should be asking the Bigfoot community for, not criticizing him for it."

Due to his credentials and popularity Dr. Meldrum has been showcased on maultiple networks including NatGeo, History Channel, and the Discovery Channel, this also includes TV shows including Monster Quest and the recent Finding Bigfoot.

He is also involved in a parallel study of Bigfoot DNA. The study headed by Bryan Sykes of Oxford University.

Recently Melba Ketchum has been in the spotlight due to her press release that claims Bigfoot may be part Human. Two days ago (11/27/2012) Dr. Melba Ketchum was interviewed and Dr. Jeff Meldrum commented on the interview on his Facebook Page. You can read his response right after the video below.


And Dr. Meldrum's response.
Dr. Ketchum provides a much more reasonable interview for a Houston news program. She acknowledges the prematurity of the announcement (I believe she could have stopped short of discussing her unpublished results, however). She does conclude by saying the publication is anticipated in a matter of weeks not months (we've heard that before, but I hope this time it is indeed accurate).
Please don't get me wrong. I truly hope she has the brass ring. I want very much for her study to be legitimate and significant. To that end I want to see her navigate the publication process properly and successfully!

My criticisms stem from the lack of available substantiation of her interpretation of the mtDNA results and the difficulty I have envisioning a scenario that accounts from what is proposed -- a hybridization event 15000 years ago in Eastern Europe that resulted in a population dispersed across North America.

Many people don't seem to understand the role of a null hypothesis (a working hypothesis). The aim is to attempt to falsify or refute it. The hypothesis that whatever is out there is likely a relict ape, or a relict early hominin (e.g. Paranthropus) appears the most reasonable in light of the substantive objective data (personal subjective experiences by some, notwithstanding). Melba even acknowledges this fact in her interview. If evidence, properly interpreted, overwhelmingly negates the null hypothesis, then we set it aside -- simple as that. The notion of "camps" as if they were political parties, has no legitimate place in a scientific endeavor.
 

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Russian big foot is an American bear.
http://travel.aol.co.uk/2013/02/03/russian-yeti-is-actually-an-american-bear/?ncid=webmail9
For the last three years, there have been several sightings of a Big Foot-type creature in the Mount Shoria region of southern Russia.

Russian fishermen have reported seeing the hairy creature walking on two legs in the region, while days later some others told Fox News that they "saw some tall animals looking like people".

Just last year, the Daily Mail reported that samples of fur found in a Siberian cave were analysed and scientists discovered that it did not belong to any known animal from the region, such as a bear, wolf or goat.

But now The Sun has given samples of this hair to a leading genetics expert, only to discover that the mysterious creatures is actually an American bear that could have escaped from a circus.

The Sun reports that Professor Bryan Sykes of Oxford University's Wolfson Institute found that one of the long, thick hairs comes from a type of black bear from North America - Ursus americanus. They can grow to be seven feet tall - which would explain why it could have been mistaken for a yeti.

The other two hairs turned out to be from a racoon and a horse.

Experts aren't sure how the bear actually ended up in Russia, especially as this type of bear is never usually found outside America.

Professor Sykes told The Sun: "The hairs did not come from a yeti. The American black bear result was highly unusual. An explanation could be an animal escaped from a circus, zoo or private collection, but it is extraordinary."
 

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Well folks it's out there. I'm not linking to it partly because as I've said before it worries me, but mostly because at this point apart from what I understand to be a pay to access article, there doesn't seem to be a lot left to link to.

They don't like you to link to them without permission but I found out about this over on doubtfulnews.

Good luck :spinning
 

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Cryptomundo has a synopsis here, along with supplementary stuff from Melba Ketchum (with alleged footage of sleeping 'squatch "Matilda") here, and commentary from Jim McClarin here.

Lots to wade through, will post back later when I've time to work out what I think :).
 

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After all the bizarre, unprofessional, and flaky behavior I am not sure I even care about this any more.
 

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What surprises me is that the faithful don't seem to be taking this very seriously either.

I don't understand it, in my opinion this is big foot, this is all it ever was and all it ever will be.
 

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Yeah, self-publishing scientific articles in a journal you own is a sure sign of credibility.

Or credulousness. I'm always getting the two confused.
 

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stuneville said:
Lots to wade through, will post back later when I've time to work out what I think :).
oldrover said:
What surprises me is that the faithful don't seem to be taking this very seriously either.
No. I'm not, now I've had a chance to wade a bit. I see three basic possibilities.

Either:

Melba's entirely sincere, but sweet-naturedly gullible and has taken some really really bad advice, or

Melba's entirely sincere, but sweet-naturedly gullible and has been completely taken in by one of the plethora of colourful characters (read: con-merchants) that inhabit the Bigfoot universe sensing a buck, or

Melba herself is actually one of the plethora of colourful characters (read: con-merchants) that inhabit the Bigfoot universe sensing a buck.


Now, if it's one of the first two, then the findings could still stand. But I'm not holding my breath.
 

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From The Puffington Host:
Bigfoot DNA Tests: Science Journal's Credibility Called Into Question


Bigfoot is real ... maybe.

After months of waiting for a peer-reviewed scientific journal to publish findings on the validity of alleged Bigfoot DNA evidence, the time has come for answers. But is there enough empirical evidence to finally confirm that the elusive, tall, hairy man-beast of North America really exists? Maybe, but questions have now been raised about the scientific journal publishing the findings.

In November, after a five-year study of purported Bigfoot (aka Sasquatch) DNA samples, Texas geneticist Melba Ketchum and a team of experts in genetics, forensics, imaging and pathology, were anxious for their findings to be published in a scientific journal. On Wednesday, their research appeared in the DeNovo Journal of Science, which seemed to confirm Ketchum's research about the reality of Bigfoot.

But according to GoDaddy.com, DeNovo was first registered as a domain on Feb. 4, 2013 --- anonymously and for only one year.

The current edition of DeNovo is listed as Volume 1, Issue 1, and its only content, thus far, is the Bigfoot research.

Also, on Ketchum's Sasquatch Genome Project website, she writes, "It has been a long and tedious battle to prove that Sasquatch exists. ... Trying to publish has taken almost two years. It seems mainstream science just can't seem to tolerate something controversial, especially from a group of primarily forensic scientists and not 'famous academians' aligned with large universities, even though most of our sequencing and analysis was performed at just such facilities."

Ketchum then explains how one journal agreed to publish her findings, but then was advised not to by its lawyers because such a controversial subject "would destroy the editors' reputations (as it has already done to mine). ... Rather than spend another five years just trying to find a journal to publish and hoping that decent, open minded reviewers would be chosen, we acquired the rights to this journal and renamed it so we would not lose the passing peer reviews that are expected by the public and the scientific community."

And therein lies the potential problem: Did Ketchum "buy" this journal, and begin its new existence under the name of DeNovo just over a week ago in order to get what appears to be a favorable peer review of her Bigfoot studies? That's the big question being raised by numerous people at this point.

According to a press release by Ketchum's Sasquatch Genome Project, the study, "which sequenced three whole Sasquatch nuclear genomes, shows that the legendary Sasquatch is extant in North America and is a human relative that arose approximately 13,000 years ago and is hypothesized to be a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with a novel primate species."

A total of 111 specimens of alleged Sasquatch hair, blood, skin and other tissues formed the basis of the study. These samples came from many individuals and groups at sites covering 14 states and two Canadian provinces.

Watch this related Fox News Bigfoot report

On her Doubtful News website, skeptic and geologist Sharon Hill raises many questions about Ketchum's claims.

"I clicked on the DeNovo site and was appalled at how amateurish the site is. It's full of stock photographs, very poorly coded, there are errors all over it and it's very difficult to navigate," Hill told The Huffington Post.

"[Ketchum] documented that she acquired the rights to this journal. We don't know what journal that was. I still can't find it and that's a little fishy," said Hill. "And then she renamed it so they would not lose the peer reviews that they had. It looks suspicious. This is not how science works."

Also, on the DeNovo site, the journal itself is identified as both DeNovo and DeVono.

It would be a huge story if all the work done by Ketchum and her team ultimately leads to scientific confirmation of the reality of Sasquatch. But at this point, the new wrinkles about the DeNovo Science Journal have only added to the credibility issues by a foot or two -- a Bigfoot.
 

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stuneville said:
stuneville said:
Lots to wade through, will post back later when I've time to work out what I think :).
oldrover said:
What surprises me is that the faithful don't seem to be taking this very seriously either.
No. I'm not, now I've had a chance to wade a bit.

Just to emphasise that I don't consider you or anyone else here to be what I'd tend to think of as 'the faithful'.

I'd say it has to be obvious though that in this matter an innocent explanation is impossible.
 

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Actually now I think of it one and two of your list of possible scenarios might possibly hold up, I'm not saying they do of course just that it's not impossible. Speaking purely from a humane perspective, I'd rather think it was option three.
 

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In some of the correspondence elsewhere about these recent doings, I've seen reference to Ketchum comparing herself in her recent labours and travails and being scorned / rejected / misunderstood, to Galileo and to Jesus Christ. Protesting too much, just a bit? Her carrying-on this way would tend to reduce her credibility -- suggesting that she isn't very stable, and / or she's consciously involved in fraud and fakery.
 

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suggesting that she isn't very stable

That's the thing, if this is all just the result of delusion rather than trickery it'd be very sad.
 

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amyasleigh said:
In some of the correspondence elsewhere about these recent doings, I've seen reference to Ketchum comparing herself in her recent labours and travails and being scorned / rejected / misunderstood, to Galileo and to Jesus Christ. Protesting too much, just a bit? Her carrying-on this way would tend to reduce her credibility -- suggesting that she isn't very stable, and / or she's consciously involved in fraud and fakery.

I group this in with the claims she was raped by a Bigfoot, and that one braided her horse's mane. Maybe it is true(as an open minded Fortean :p ), but if she had more common sense she'd have kept her mouth shut about that and focused on provable facts.
It is also possible that she is having mental issues.
 

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Bigfoot DNA

In the first half of Sunday's show, Dr. Melba S. Ketchum joined George Knapp to discuss the official release of her DNA analysis of possible Bigfoot hair samples. Her publication titled "Novel North American Hominin" is available for paid download through the DeNovo Journal. Ketchum's findings were based on the analysis of 111 samples of blood, tissue, hair, and related materials sent in to her lab by Sasquatch researchers and eyewitnesses. Mitochondrial DNA testing revealed that the hair was human in origin, yet a forensic hair specialist examined the specimens and declared them to be novel-- "it was not human hair and didn't match any of his animal knowns it was tested against," he told her.

When it came to testing the nuclear DNA of the samples "we started getting really strange results," she said, "with weird looking bands that were all different sizes." One testing facility reported that the sequences didn't match anything in the GenBank database. Ketchum has concluded that the creatures are either derived from humans and mutated excessively, or some type of hybrid. Further, she believes them to be a fairly modern species, paralleling humans in the last 13,000 years. She also suggested that there were some 16 different subtypes of Bigfoot, typically associated with different regions. For more, check out the recap of her 12/23/12 show appearance.
This was in the Coastzone newsletter today
 

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lkb3rd said:
amyasleigh said:
In some of the correspondence elsewhere about these recent doings, I've seen reference to Ketchum comparing herself in her recent labours and travails and being scorned / rejected / misunderstood, to Galileo and to Jesus Christ. Protesting too much, just a bit? Her carrying-on this way would tend to reduce her credibility -- suggesting that she isn't very stable, and / or she's consciously involved in fraud and fakery.

I group this in with the claims she was raped by a Bigfoot, and that one braided her horse's mane. Maybe it is true(as an open minded Fortean :p ), but if she had more common sense she'd have kept her mouth shut about that and focused on provable facts.
It is also possible that she is having mental issues.
I'd forgotten the raped-by-a-Bigfoot thing concerning her -- honestly ! So much crazy stuff surrounding this whole subject; and that of it concerning the creature and sex, seeming especially crazy: I mentally rolled eyes at the time, at the claim re Ketchum, then consigned it to the BS pile and forgot it. And the horses'-manes-braiding matter: often shows up on this whole scene, but plenty of possible mundane explanations for it...

Agree that if it is wished to get mainstream science on board, best to keep the way-out-there stuff out of sight.
 

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Isis177 said:
Bigfoot DNA

In the first half of Sunday's show, Dr. Melba S. Ketchum joined George Knapp to discuss the official release of her DNA analysis of possible Bigfoot hair samples. Her publication titled "Novel North American Hominin" is available for paid download through the DeNovo Journal. Ketchum's findings were based on the analysis of 111 samples of blood, tissue, hair, and related materials sent in to her lab by Sasquatch researchers and eyewitnesses. Mitochondrial DNA testing revealed that the hair was human in origin, yet a forensic hair specialist examined the specimens and declared them to be novel-- "it was not human hair and didn't match any of his animal knowns it was tested against," he told her.

When it came to testing the nuclear DNA of the samples "we started getting really strange results," she said, "with weird looking bands that were all different sizes." One testing facility reported that the sequences didn't match anything in the GenBank database. Ketchum has concluded that the creatures are either derived from humans and mutated excessively, or some type of hybrid. Further, she believes them to be a fairly modern species, paralleling humans in the last 13,000 years. She also suggested that there were some 16 different subtypes of Bigfoot, typically associated with different regions. For more, check out the recap of her 12/23/12 show appearance.
This was in the Coastzone newsletter today



(Wild Conjecture Alert!)


Leaving Dr Ketchum's research (very much) to one side for a moment, what about the idea of (sometime in the ancient past) a geographically and genetically isolated human population, becoming increasingly inbred over time, gradually and progressively acquiring more and more atavistic traits,
resulting in what would amount to more or less an accidental and spontaneous "TaurOs Project"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TaurOs_Project

thereby creating a reasonable facsimile of primitive hominids, or something like that?
 

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amyasleigh said:
In some of the correspondence elsewhere about these recent doings, I've seen reference to Ketchum comparing herself in her recent labours and travails and being scorned / rejected / misunderstood, to Galileo and to Jesus Christ. Protesting too much, just a bit? Her carrying-on this way would tend to reduce her credibility -- suggesting that she isn't very stable, and / or she's consciously involved in fraud and fakery.
Ahh, yes, this old chestnut. Leaving aside the poor understanding of history of science (and/or theology) it does tend to suggest a persecution complex.
 

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lkb3rd said:
Of interest to the thread:
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/201 ... ml#moretop
Interview with Ketchum addressing her buying the journal, and defending her research.

:lol: She didn't expect lemur! That's funny, because it seems perfectly sane to the rest of us that our recent ancestors bred with giant Madagascan prosimians, the improbable progeny of which buggered off to make a new life in the forests of the New World! :lol: In her defense, I'm sitting in a garden centre coffee shop in Lincolnshire without enough signal to play the video, so I can't claim to have fully heard her out.

Thanks for the link, lkb3rd! It gave me a chuckle!:D

EDIT So I've heard the interview in the accompanying video, and I wonder where this is going. I'm sure in due course it will be revealed that the lost continent of Lemuria produced intelligent lemurs. Upon its destruction by volcanic eruption, earthquake, and the wrath of God, the Lemurian survivors sought refuge around the world, giving rise to universal legends of cynocephali. One of the continents on which they settled was Atlantis, unfortunately also doomed. However, from there our sapient prosimian cousins moved to the Americas, where they bred with locals. Suddenly, the secret history of the world all makes sense.
 

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PaulTaylor said:
lkb3rd said:
Of interest to the thread:
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/201 ... ml#moretop
Interview with Ketchum addressing her buying the journal, and defending her research.

:lol: She didn't expect lemur! That's funny, because it seems perfectly sane to the rest of us that our recent ancestors bred with giant Madagascan prosimians, the improbable progeny of which buggered off to make a new life in the forests of the New World! :lol:
sexy-lemur_o_293507.jpg
 

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To be fair, I don't think anyone was expecting lemur. There's little chance the progeny of a human-lemur crossbreeding would be fertile. Or even viable.
 

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kamalktk said:

Hey, I like a little lemur lovin' as much as the next guy. ;) More, probably, if my 20 strong collection of lemur soft toys is anything to judge by. But I draw a line at wanting to produce sasquatch cubs with them.
 
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