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OOPArts: Out Of Place Artefacts & Archaeological Erratics

Shadowsot said:
I'm noticing a distinct lack of a bubble canopy. Pretty sure those aren't a good idea on a rocket.
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OK, but Musk's spacecraft do look rather Flash Gordonish.

In terms of a rocket-shaped vehicle, with a bubble canopy and propulsion nozzles at the rear, how about a rocket-sled?
Hey look! If you stand it up on its tail, it looks a bit like a gnome-head!

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XEPER_ said:
I don't know if this has been posted but... do we finally have an explanation for OOParts? That was what hit me as I read this article.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86j2x4d29lo.amp
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I don't know if it is a proven process, or not, but the two quoted paragraphs in the article ~ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86j2x4d29lo.amp (as above)
do state that. . . [What's remarkable here is that we've found these human-made materials being incorporated into natural systems and becoming lithified (transform (i.e. lithified = sediment or other material) into stone:- essentially turning into rock - over the course of decades instead.
"It challenges our understanding of how a rock is formed, and suggests that the waste material we've produced in creating the modern world is going to have an irreversible impact on our future" quote in the above article.]
which do seem to infer that sea water (salt, and all that it contains) react to break down modern waste, and seems to begin the process of turning it into sediments, then by process into rock far faster than the normal natural processes? :thought:
 
Xanatic* said:
Limestone can grow quite quickly, just think of your hot water kettle.
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"True!" I wonder if the metal has developed into an altered state within it though? Obviously turned into rust I imagine, then probably into a mineralised sediment?
 
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Mythopoeika said:
A great example is Mother Shipton's cave in Yorkshire. People have hung up all kinds of things that have quickly been covered in limestone.
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I have a teddy bear that was petrified at Mother Shiptons Cave. I the past people used to visit and leave their own items and then return a relatively short time later to collect them.
 
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XEPER_ said:
I don't know if this has been posted but... do we finally have an explanation for OOParts? That was what hit me as I read this article.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86j2x4d29lo.amp
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It's a useful article, adds more information to how "modern" things can be mineralized. But it doesn't explain all OOParts. There are some where metal is embedded in rock, for example where it's just a broken drill bit, or not even artifacts, but natural fossils.
 
Nothing too exciting I’m afraid but I dug up this 2p coin today at a depth of 24inches. I was digging post holes for a gazebo at my parents house who have lived there since 1970. The coin isn’t dated but I read they were introduced in 1971. That ground has not been dug before and I just can’t understand how it was so deep.
The earth is clay from about the 6 inch mark. I was clearing the spade of clay on every shovelful as I got deeper as it was sticking to it and making it hard to dig. I thought maybe the coin had got stuck on the spade further up the hole but I was cleaning it properly with a small trowel. IMG_1025.jpeg
 
Stillill said:
Nothing too exciting I’m afraid but I dug up this 2p coin today at a depth of 24inches. I was digging post holes for a gazebo at my parents house who have lived there since 1970. The coin isn’t dated but I read they were introduced in 1971. That ground has not been dug before and I just can’t understand how it was so deep.
The earth is clay from about the 6 inch mark. I was clearing the spade of clay on every shovelful as I got deeper as it was sticking to it and making it hard to dig. I thought maybe the coin had got stuck on the spade further up the hole but I was cleaning it properly with a small trowel. View attachment 89640
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The coin should be dated on the other side just to the left of the top of the Queens head although the text is so small that judging by the condition we can see here it is likely to be unreadable.
 
Sid said:
I don't know if it is a proven process, or not, but the two quoted paragraphs in the article ~ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86j2x4d29lo.amp (as above)
do state that. . . [What's remarkable here is that we've found these human-made materials being incorporated into natural systems and becoming lithified (transform (i.e. lithified = sediment or other material) into stone:- essentially turning into rock - over the course of decades instead.
"It challenges our understanding of how a rock is formed, and suggests that the waste material we've produced in creating the modern world is going to have an irreversible impact on our future" quote in the above article.]
which do seem to infer that sea water (salt, and all that it contains) react to break down modern waste, and seems to begin the process of turning it into sediments, then by process into rock far faster than the normal natural processes? :thought:
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Saltwater seemed to be the key to creating Roman concrete.
 
XEPER_ said:
I don't know if this has been posted but... do we finally have an explanation for OOParts? That was what hit me as I read this article.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86j2x4d29lo.amp
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That certainly accounts for one particular category of OOPARTS - namely recent objects apparently encased in old strata.
Of far more interest (well to me anyway) are items such as the Antikythera Mechanism, Baghdad batteries, Piri Reis (and other) maps, prehistoric constructions on the Azores dating from before any humans were supposed to be there, ancient models resembling aircraft, an apparent Stegosaurus carved on a medieval Cambodian temple etc.
Even evidence for the Megalithic Yard, as discussed elsewhere, is arguably a sort of OOPART, as preliterate, stone-age people making alleged use of precise measuring instruments is quite anomalous.
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
Even evidence for the Megalithic Yard, as discussed elsewhere, is arguably a sort of OOPART, as preliterate, stone-age people making alleged use of precise measuring instruments is quite anomalous.
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Worth bearing in mind is that the ancient Maya were stone age with a fully-developed writing system - so some of these people may have been writing stuff down in a way that hasn't been preserved (on hides or bark, for example).
 
SimonBurchell said:
Worth bearing in mind is that the ancient Maya were stone age with a fully-developed writing system - so some of these people may have been writing stuff down in a way that hasn't been preserved (on hides or bark, for example).
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Absolutely. As well as being literate, the ancient Mayans used advanced base 20 mathematics and a bespoke system of measurement.
The builders of Stonehenge, Carnac, the Maltese temples etc. supposedly did not possess these innovations, which makes their achievements all the more amazing, whether or not they relied on a Megalithic Yard.
 
Sharon Hill said:
It's a useful article, adds more information to how "modern" things can be mineralized. But it doesn't explain all OOParts. There are some where metal is embedded in rock, for example where it's just a broken drill bit, or not even artifacts, but natural fossils.
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Very true Sharon. . . takes me back to the article I came across which didn't have a suitable explanation, on the embedded wheel ref: #55
 
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