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Overcrowded Urban Areas: Problems & Prospects

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The age of the urban ape
New research shows that humans haven't stopped evolving – could a city habitat be the end of us, asks the distinguished anthropologist.
By Desmond Morris
9:08PM BST 04 May 2012

The scientific discovery, announced this week in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, that humans are still evolving, is about as surprising as saying that scientists have proved that water is wet. :D Of course we are still evolving. Humans, as I am on record as stating, are risen apes, not fallen angels. We are animals – extraordinary animals, but animals none the less. We breed, therefore we evolve.

The whole point about sexual reproduction – something (unlike pandas) we are rather good at – is that it keeps a species flexible. Each generation is the result of the breeding successes of the last generation. And the last generation is bred under the influences of the environment as it was during their brief spell on earth. If that environment changes, then breeding successes will change with it. ...

So, to understand how humans are evolving today, all we need to do is to look at the ways in which our environment has been changing. If it is static, we will pause in our evolution. If it is undergoing some sort of upheaval, then our evolution will speed up. Of course, for us, being large animals, the evolutionary process is very slow. We have only undergone one major environmental change in the past 12,000 years, so one mustn’t expect a huge alteration. The big change we have seen, as a primate species, is urbanisation. Up until the point when we discovered agriculture, we had always lived in small hunter-gatherer tribes. But once we had planted crops and domesticated animals, we had given ourselves the chance to build up a food surplus. This let our villages become towns, and our towns become cities full of specialists, who made exciting new discoveries and set us on a path towards technological brilliance.

So the primeval naked ape that had evolved to live in small tribes suddenly found itself surrounded by strangers in huge urban populations – a process that continues at a pace today. This is the only major environmental pressure on us as a species. Anyone unable to adapt to this crowded new world, full of bustle, novelty, social stress and noise, would find it hard to settle down and breed. Evolution would wave goodbye to them and the species would move on. There are several ways in which evolution could wave goodbye – by making them suicidal, by giving them mental breakdowns, by giving them stress diseases, or by directly interfering with their attitude towards the act of mating.

If certain kinds of people became non-breeders in this new urban world, then this would gradually change our species. Even if they only became “reduced breeders”, it would still have an impact, allowing our species to become more efficient as a new kind of Urban Ape. ...

... As we become ever more crowded, those individuals who cannot cope with the situation will breed less and our species will continue to adapt to life in mega-cities. In our early evolution, one trait we developed was to survive through co-operation. That quality is built into our genes and can be strengthened genetically as time passes.

But, in becoming so populous, we do face a great danger that stems from our hidden enemy and our greatest threat – the fast-breeding viruses and bacteria. Hostile microbes are forever improving their abilities, and one feature they adore is “host proximity”. In other words, the closer we are packed together in our mega-cities, the greater opportunity there is for our enemy microbes to strike at epidemic levels. If, for example, a deadly virus could evolve from being contagious to being infectious, so that you could catch it from the person sitting next to you, then a new Black Death could be upon us. Our 7,000 million population could shrink to a million in a few years. But that million – the resistant ones – would eventually start to breed again and in a few thousand years we would be back on top once more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9245 ... n-ape.html
 
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New Yorkers are running to NJ in droves, buying up our housing and grabbing our apartments, never saw any of this before. And paying top dollar for houses in guaranteed flood zones, never saw that before either. And every inch of ground is being built up, not commercially but with more and more housing.
Our landscape has changed, and continues to change and be impacted in hugely negative ways.
When I look at your photos of England, I see great stretches of greenery and trees, something I do not see here.
 
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New Yorkers are running to NJ in droves, buying up our housing and grabbing our apartments, never saw any of this before. And paying top dollar for houses in guaranteed flood zones, never saw that before either. And every inch of ground is being built up, not commercially but with more and more housing.
Our landscape has changed, and continues to change and be impacted in hugely negative ways.
When I look at your photos of England, I see great stretches of greenery and trees, something I do not see here.

A "new urbanism" is badly needed in order to cope with climate change. And it will come to happen ...

Right now, France is being struck by its second summer heath wave of the year. In concrete-built cities like Paris, life is getting unbearable, because stone and concrete absorb the heat and then sends it back in the atmosphere at night time, which means that the whole urban area is turned into a kind of open air oven most of the time, and citizens enjoy no respite. Diving into the murky waters of the Seine river is no solution, unless of course you plan to transform into a teenage mutant ninja turtle.

Town councils will have to adapt and devise new ways to manage urban space : building underground dwellings & rooftop green spaces, mixing habitat with forested areas ... It will take some time, but we hardly have the choice.

In 2006, I was travelling along the Silk Road, in Central Asia, and I reached the town of Turfan, in the Tarim Basin. This is one of the hottest areas on Earth, because (1) it's in the middle of a continental desert, and (2) it stands below the sea level. Usually Chinese urbanism is a disaster, but there I noticed they had experimented with clever systems to make the heat bearable. For instance, several streets of the town had been covered with vines (grape vines). Wow ! That was incredible : imagine a full street covered by a roof a green vines ! And it was efficient. It was a pleasure to walk along these streets. For sure, it was darker under the vines, but they provided such a relief ... I am certain that this kind of solutions are bound to multiply all over the world ...

And regarding nukes ... If a nuclear war starts, nobody will survive, wether New Yorker, Londoner or Parisian, we'll all get blast and roasted. With over 12 000 nuke heads in circulation worldwide, there will be plenty of ammo for everybody to enjoy the ride to hell, alas ! As long as crazy dictators rule nuclear countries, we'll be in danger.
 
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A "new urbanism" is badly needed in order to cope with climate change. And it will come to happen ...

Right now, France is being struck by its second summer heath wave of the year. In concrete-built cities like Paris, life is getting unbearable, because stone and concrete absorb the heat and then sends it back in the atmosphere at night time, which means that the whole urban area is turned into a kind of open air oven most of the time, and citizens enjoy no respite. Diving into the murky waters of the Seine river is no solution, unless of course you plan to transform into a teenage mutant ninja turtle.

Town councils will have to adapt and devise new ways to manage urban space : building underground dwellings & rooftop green spaces, mixing habitat with forested areas ... It will take some time, but we hardly have the choice.

In 2006, I was travelling along the Silk Road, in Central Asia, and I reached the town of Turfan, in the Tarim Basin. This is one of the hottest areas on Earth, because (1) it's in the middle of a continental desert, and (2) it stands below the sea level. Usually Chinese urbanism is a disaster, but there I noticed they had experimented with clever systems to make the heat bearable. For instance, several streets of the town had been covered with vines (grape vines). Wow ! That was incredible : imagine a full street covered by a roof a green vines ! And it was efficient. It was a pleasure to walk along these streets. For sure, it was darker under the vines, but they provided such a relief ... I am certain that this kind of solutions are bound to multiply all over the world ...

And regarding nukes ... If a nuclear war starts, nobody will survive, wether New Yorker, Londoner or Parisian, we'll all get blast and roasted. With over 12 000 nuke heads in circulation worldwide, there will be plenty of ammo for everybody to enjoy the ride to hell, alas ! As long as crazy dictators rule nuclear countries, we'll be in danger.
We had to go out this morning and the heat / humidity is so unbearable it's making me feel ill, it's hard to breathe - and I have no health problems (except for bad allergies, probably due to pollution not helping). The lack of trees / greenery / plant life is unprecedented in this area, and totally unacceptable, in my humble opinion.
I love to walk, but there is so little shade to walk in that now I avoid it during our summers. And to build concrete and cement structures, leaving absolutely no grass / soil should be a crime, yet this is constant now.
 
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New Yorkers are running to NJ in droves, buying up our housing and grabbing our apartments, never saw any of this before. And paying top dollar for houses in guaranteed flood zones, never saw that before either. And every inch of ground is being built up, not commercially but with more and more housing.
Our landscape has changed, and continues to change and be impacted in hugely negative ways.
When I look at your photos of England, I see great stretches of greenery and trees, something I do not see here.
Too many people for a finite planet. I had a lovely house in upstate Connecticut. The valley below is now obliterated by cheap housing and the ecoculture has been wiped out. It's no way to carry on. We need to limit ourselvelves to two children maximum. Quality of life matters and to achieve it is simply a matter of self discipline.

And believe me I'm not an orthodox greeny - my belief is we have insufficient CO2 and that the biggest problem is obliterating the rain forests, not climate change. But we can't keep breeding without control.
 
We had to go out this morning and the heat / humidity is so unbearable it's making me feel ill, it's hard to breathe - and I have no health problems (except for bad allergies, probably due to pollution not helping). The lack of trees / greenery / plant life is unprecedented in this area, and totally unacceptable, in my humble opinion.
I love to walk, but there is so little shade to walk in that now I avoid it during our summers. And to build concrete and cement structures, leaving absolutely no grass / soil should be a crime, yet this is constant now.
Try wearing a polyester shirt in a Cairo summer. Add in the fumes from all the unregulated traffic, the dodgy drinking water, everything loaded with sugar, the lack of pavements, (or pavements that are used for setting out goods and storing piles of sand so that you have to walk in the road), traffic lights that mean f/a, the hassle from street vendors/beggars/shop owners, 45-50c heat, and as is always the case, a dodgy stomach, little shade- and Bingo! Insanity will arrive very soon!
 
Sorry, I should have said United Kingdom!
You guys have beautiful country lanes to walk in, how I envy you!

Aaaargh! I'm in the Republic of Ireland! My Great Uncle (below centre), Grandfather, Great Grandfather, back to the Fenians had to fight to achieve that!

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A "new urbanism" is badly needed in order to cope with climate change. And it will come to happen ...

Right now, France is being struck by its second summer heath wave of the year. In concrete-built cities like Paris, life is getting unbearable, because stone and concrete absorb the heat and then sends it back in the atmosphere at night time, which means that the whole urban area is turned into a kind of open air oven most of the time, and citizens enjoy no respite. Diving into the murky waters of the Seine river is no solution, unless of course you plan to transform into a teenage mutant ninja turtle.

Town councils will have to adapt and devise new ways to manage urban space : building underground dwellings & rooftop green spaces, mixing habitat with forested areas ... It will take some time, but we hardly have the choice.

In 2006, I was travelling along the Silk Road, in Central Asia, and I reached the town of Turfan, in the Tarim Basin. This is one of the hottest areas on Earth, because (1) it's in the middle of a continental desert, and (2) it stands below the sea level. Usually Chinese urbanism is a disaster, but there I noticed they had experimented with clever systems to make the heat bearable. For instance, several streets of the town had been covered with vines (grape vines). Wow ! That was incredible : imagine a full street covered by a roof a green vines ! And it was efficient. It was a pleasure to walk along these streets. For sure, it was darker under the vines, but they provided such a relief ... I am certain that this kind of solutions are bound to multiply all over the world ...

And regarding nukes ... If a nuclear war starts, nobody will survive, wether New Yorker, Londoner or Parisian, we'll all get blast and roasted. With over 12 000 nuke heads in circulation worldwide, there will be plenty of ammo for everybody to enjoy the ride to hell, alas ! As long as crazy dictators rule nuclear countries, we'll be in danger.
I think though that it is much easier to 'build for the climate' in places that have consistency. Here in England, in a few weeks we will be freezing again until next May at the earliest. People know how to keep cool in climates that are always hot and their lifestyle has come to adapt to it. Work and play are geared up around this (eg shutting shops in the afternoon and not going out until very late at night when it's cooled down). Same with cold climates. We get a bit of everything though. Governments aren't going to start building underground in temperate climates like Paris and London.
 
I think though that it is much easier to 'build for the climate' in places that have consistency. Here in England, in a few weeks we will be freezing again until next May at the earliest. People know how to keep cool in climates that are always hot and their lifestyle has come to adapt to it. Work and play are geared up around this (eg shutting shops in the afternoon and not going out until very late at night when it's cooled down). Same with cold climates. We get a bit of everything though. Governments aren't going to start building underground in temperate climates like Paris and London.
Freezing? In a few weeks? Oh dear, I shouldn't complain about our heat! LOL
Though a few weeks from now, we'll be heating up for the entire month of August, and running to the beaches!
Our springs are lovely, but especially the crisp autumns.
 
New Yorkers are running to NJ in droves, buying up our housing and grabbing our apartments, never saw any of this before. And paying top dollar for houses in guaranteed flood zones, never saw that before either. And every inch of ground is being built up, not commercially but with more and more housing.
Our landscape has changed, and continues to change and be impacted in hugely negative ways.
When I look at your photos of England, I see great stretches of greenery and trees, something I do not see here.
The same thing is happening in New Mexico, mostly around the Albuquerque area. They are coming from all over and mostly from places with higher humidity and no water shortages. They are rude and ridiculously ignorant of the natural order of things. They even complain about "mexicans", not even understanding that the people they are complaining about have been in this area for hundreds of years (usually longer than their immigrant ancestors have been in the U.S.)

It is disgusting the things that are going on, the state has 2.2 million people and that is 1 million more than the terrain (mostly high desert) can sustain for very long. Lack of water is a big problem. The cities have had to make prosecutable ordinances against planting lawns of any size, the current golf courses are grandfathered in but are encouraged to change as much landscaping as possible to limit water needs. People are always in a hurry and always angry, so different from the natural attitudes of the people from this area.
 
The same thing is happening in New Mexico, mostly around the Albuquerque area. They are coming from all over and mostly from places with higher humidity and no water shortages. They are rude and ridiculously ignorant of the natural order of things. They even complain about "mexicans", not even understanding that the people they are complaining about have been in this area for hundreds of years (usually longer than their immigrant ancestors have been in the U.S.)

It is disgusting the things that are going on, the state has 2.2 million people and that is 1 million more than the terrain (mostly high desert) can sustain for very long. Lack of water is a big problem. The cities have had to make prosecutable ordinances against planting lawns of any size, the current golf courses are grandfathered in but are encouraged to change as much landscaping as possible to limit water needs. People are always in a hurry and always angry, so different from the natural attitudes of the people from this area.
And NJ is the most densely populated state in the USA already, long before all this started to happen.
Once my husband's medical treatment is done, we'll see about moving on.
And I do agree, those coming into the area now are rude beyond belief, to us who have been here for years. Life went along quite happily and normally, now we have to get out of their way apparently.
 
Too many people for a finite planet. I had a lovely house in upstate Connecticut. The valley below is now obliterated by cheap housing and the ecoculture has been wiped out. It's no way to carry on. We need to limit ourselvelves to two children maximum. Quality of life matters and to achieve it is simply a matter of self discipline.

And believe me I'm not an orthodox greeny - my belief is we have insufficient CO2 and that the biggest problem is obliterating the rain forests, not climate change. But we can't keep breeding without control.
Best Comment!! 'Quality of Life' is important for longevity of life.
Having seven and eight children (and more) is destructive.
 
Best Comment!! 'Quality of Life' is important for longevity of life.
Having seven and eight children (and more) is destructive.
I think in the U.S. that is not the problem. Both my grandmothers had 9 siblings. In my mother's family only one of her uncles had 5 kids, the rest of her aunts and uncles had no children or onlly two. In my dad's family I know nothing of my dad's aunts and uncles, he was number 2 of 9, but onlly one of his sisters had 6 kids, he had 4, one sister had 3 kids and the others had 2 or none. People in the U.S. do not tend to have large families any more. Of my all my cousins, all of us had 2 or 3 kids. One cousin has a son with 8 kids (!) and the rest of that generation have 2, one or no children. I suspect that is true in most of the developed countries. And I believe that the way we use, abuse and destroy food and other goods in the U.S. (probably UK and most European countries) causes problems that we could easily remedy so that the whole world could be fed. But it is more profitable to continue to be wasteful and forget about the rest of the world or the long term survivability of the human race.
 
I think in the U.S. that is not the problem. Both my grandmothers had 9 siblings. In my mother's family only one of her uncles had 5 kids, the rest of her aunts and uncles had no children or onlly two. In my dad's family I know nothing of my dad's aunts and uncles, he was number 2 of 9, but onlly one of his sisters had 6 kids, he had 4, one sister had 3 kids and the others had 2 or none. People in the U.S. do not tend to have large families any more. Of my all my cousins, all of us had 2 or 3 kids. One cousin has a son with 8 kids (!) and the rest of that generation have 2, one or no children. I suspect that is true in most of the developed countries. And I believe that the way we use, abuse and destroy food and other goods in the U.S. (probably UK and most European countries) causes problems that we could easily remedy so that the whole world could be fed. But it is more profitable to continue to be wasteful and forget about the rest of the world or the long term survivability of the human race.
My Grandma was one of 14 siblings. Still doesn't mean it's a good idea. The planet is finite and other species need space as well as us.
 
The first time I felt really depressed, not merely extremely sad and discouraged or whatever, was in my late teens after coming across Paul Ehrlichs book 'The Population Bomb' :-

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/book-incited-worldwide-fear-overpopulation-180967499/

Up until then my expectation/hope for my future was to have a big familly, although I had modified it from my childhood fantasy of having 12 I hasten to add! This book really put the kybosh on that life plan ... big time! Having been born with a strong social conscience there was no way I could give myself permission to have more than three tops. As it happened mother nature decreed none :(

Anyway @Ronnie Jersey after how you've described the ruination of your neighbourhood I found this quote from the above article to be pertinent


Born in 1932, Ehrlich was raised in a leafy New Jersey town. His childhood love of nature morphed into a fascination for collecting insects, especially butterflies. Something of a loner, as precocious as he was assertive, Ehrlich was publishing articles in local entomological journals in his teens. Even then he was dismayed by environmental degradation. The insecticide DDT was killing his beloved butterflies, and rapid suburban development was destroying their habitat.
 
The first time I felt really depressed, not merely extremely sad and discouraged or whatever, was in my late teens after coming across Paul Ehrlichs book 'The Population Bomb' :-

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/book-incited-worldwide-fear-overpopulation-180967499/

Up until then my expectation/hope for my future was to have a big familly, although I had modified it from my childhood fantasy of having 12 I hasten to add! This book really put the kybosh on that life plan ... big time! Having been born with a strong social conscience there was no way I could give myself permission to have more than three tops. As it happened mother nature decreed none :(

Anyway @Ronnie Jersey after how you've described the ruination of your neighbourhood I found this quote from the above article to be pertinent


Born in 1932, Ehrlich was raised in a leafy New Jersey town. His childhood love of nature morphed into a fascination for collecting insects, especially butterflies. Something of a loner, as precocious as he was assertive, Ehrlich was publishing articles in local entomological journals in his teens. Even then he was dismayed by environmental degradation. The insecticide DDT was killing his beloved butterflies, and rapid suburban development was destroying their habitat.
When we grew up in this little 'borough', it was small-town country life, lots of dirt roads that hadn't been paved over, lovely neighbors who all looked out for each other's children, we all played together happily, small manageable school classes that were enjoyable. Children coming from other countries simply joined us in class and learned the language very quickly, as children do.
Those happy days are forever gone.
 
My Grandma was one of 14 siblings. Still doesn't mean it's a good idea. The planet is finite and other species need space as well as us.
My point was that in the U.S. people (except for those **** Duggars) are not having 10 children any more, they are having 2 or 4, or none.
 
My point was that in the U.S. people (except for those **** Duggars) are not having 10 children any more, they are having 2 or 4, or none.
In all industrialised countries the trend is toward 1 child per adult. The earth's population is flattening out and will be around 10.9 billion in around 2100 and most likely stabilise at that.
 
In all industrialised countries the trend is toward 1 child per adult. The earth's population is flattening out and will be around 10.9 billion in around 2100 and most likely stabilise at that.
This is happening in China too. In spite of the Chinese government incentives (well, threats mostly) for people to have more children, the birth rate has fallen off a cliff. This is due to a variety of things - people want to enjoy the money they've earned, property prices are too high for people to afford to raise more than 1 kid, people are worn out from working insane hours in a 6-day week...
 
This is happening in China too. In spite of the Chinese government incentives (well, threats mostly) for people to have more children, the birth rate has fallen off a cliff. This is due to a variety of things - people want to enjoy the money they've earned, property prices are too high for people to afford to raise more than 1 kid, people are worn out from working insane hours in a 6-day week...
It is also due to their program of villifying couples who had more than one child in the 80s to 20005 where any second child had no rights to anything, not even education. That did not change very long ago so what do they expect?
 
At one time China killed female babies, maybe recently not as bad.

The result is there are 34 more million men than women in China.

So the Chinese get their females by mail order or illegal female trafficking.

But the birth rate is dropping like a rock everywhere except the Middle East and Africa.

It cost $300,000 dollars about 247,000 pounds to raise a child to 18 years old.

What is happening in the U.S. people are getting huge prices for their city homes and moving to the rural areas.

The rural areas don’t have the city services like schools to keep up, and the rural people are getting pushed out.

That is what is happening in our area.
 
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It cost $300,000 dollars about 247,000 pounds to raise a child to 18 years old.
If that was true in the UK, we'd have to have earned a lot more money...I suspect this figure is inflated by costing the time parents put in at some hourly rate, which simply isn't a proper representation of the true costs to parents, which are a lot lower.
 
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