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On the subject of perpetual motion, the Earth is revolving, the Solar system is revolving, the Galaxy is revolving and the Universe is revolving, so isn't everything in perpetual motion?
 
Yes, astro things are in 'perpetual motion' - it's conservation of angular momentum.

But Perpetual Motion machines claim to provide endless energy for nothing. Not surprisingly, no verified examples have ever been built!

Energy can be extracted from planetary motion, however, as when a space probe does a 'slingshot' past a planet. The probe speeds up and the planet slows down - but because of the difference in their masses, the actual amount of planetary slowing is infinitesimal.

But if a way was found to extract really significant amounts of orbital energy, the planet's orbit would shrink...!
 
An interesting point Rynner, but in the past there must have been several near misses with large Asteroids, so does that mean the Earths orbit in the past was greater than today?
 
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An interesting point Rynner, but in the past there must have been several near misses with large Asteroids, so does that mean the Earths orbit in the past was greater than today?
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Not necessarily, because if the asteroid passes ahead of the Earth, then the Earth would be accelerated while the asteroid was slowed down. On average, I'd guess these effects would cancel out.
 
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... a story about a P.M. machine in Tennessee
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Curiosity about perpetual motion goes on forever
By Sam Venable, [email protected]
February 2, 2003

When most folks wander through a museum, they tend to "ooh" and "aah" at exhibits that strike their fancy. They nod and rub their chins and make learned comments like, "My, my!" or "How unusual!" Then they head on down the line.

David Brown did none of the above a few days ago when he came face-to-face with a display at the Museum of Appalachia.

He simply stared, slack-jawed. He didn't move. He didn't speak. In fact, for several minutes the man was all but gripped by trance.

"Honestly, I could feel the hairs standing up on my arms," Brown told me later.

The object of his attention - indeed, his affection?

A wheel.

But not just any wheel. This wooden apparatus, five feet in diameter, is perhaps the most analyzed, scrutinized wheel in East Tennessee. And surely the most mysterious.

Supposedly, it's a perpetual motion machine. It contains hundreds of intricate, handmade, movable parts. It was built around the time of the Civil War by a Middle Tennessean named Asa Jackson.

Museum owner John Rice Irwin bought it in 1994 from Jackson's descendants. Ever since, it's been on display in the Norris museum's hall of fame.

This thing has been studied by physicists, engineers and non-scientists alike, each eager to prove these contraptions (1) will work or (2) won't work. As you know, the "won'ts" have been winning for centuries.

But the "wills" are not deterred. They insist the mystery just hasn't been solved. And thus the search goes on.

Brown is one of the disciples of "will." He is a retired computer programmer from Tampa, Fla., who has spent most of a lifetime studying this phenomenon. He flew to East Tennessee last week and was joined by another "will" believer, Mike Foght, an electronics technician from Bucyrus, Ohio.

They brought calipers, protractors, rulers, gauge sets, mirrors, scales and other instruments. They took measurements down to one-one-thousandth of an inch. They set up a camera on a tripod and snapped pictures by the dozens.

But mostly, they marveled.

"This is an incredible piece of workmanship," said Foght, holding one of the parts. "I mean, it's furniture-quality. And it was all done with hand tools."

Brown is researching a book about perpetual motion. He hopes to replicate the Jackson wheel in his own shop. But trying to connect the dots without a guidebook is maddening, to say the least.

Said Brown with a laugh: "I can just imagine ol' Asa Jackson up there in heaven, screaming down at us, 'Nooo! That's not the way it works!' "

As if he'd share any information at all.

Jackson, like many inventors, was very secretive. He hid his machine in a cave. Whenever he had to be gone for any period of time, he always removed several parts for security.

In fact, when Irwin purchased the machine, well over 200 unattached pieces were included. Brown and Foght spent much of their time trying to identify and catalog them.

"You can tell some of them are duplicates," said Foght. "Again, the precision just blows you away."

Of the tens of thousands of items on display in his museum, Irwin says this is one of the most unusual. Not only does it illustrate Tennessee workmanship, it's a chapter straight out of 19th century American history.

"The government actively promoted the concept of perpetual motion back then," he said. "I've heard there was a $1 million reward for anyone who could come up with a machine."

No small task. The idea that any device could be initially started and run thereafter on its own power flies directly in the face of physics. Ultimately, friction or fuel exhaustion or any of a number of factors will grind it to a halt.

Still, it's a given that Jackson's wheel worked - at least for a while - because some of the parts are worn.

Whether or not this concept has merit is a question for the ages. But after watching Brown and Foght fondle the parts, and listening to their enthusiasm, I couldn't help but admit that the interest surrounding it clearly is perpetual.

"They say Asa ignored his family and his crops while he worked on this thing," Brown noted. "No doubt my wife would say the same thing."
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SOURCE: knoxnews.com/kns/news_columnists/article/0,1406,KNS_359_1715445,00.html
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Oooooooo an old chestnut:

The wheel keeps rotating......

04/26/2004 10:44

According to historical documents, ancient Greeks and Romans were indifferent to the concept of a perpetual motion machine.

Greeks knew mechanics too well, and Romans were quite happy with their slaves. Both civilizations appeared to follow a well-known maxim nihil ex nihilo, which came down from Hellenic philosophers to those of Ancient Rome and later emerged in medieval European treatises meaning 'nothing will produce nothing'.

European mechanics borrowed the idea of a perpetual motion machine from Hindus. It was first mentioned in the 12th century, when the Indian mathematician and astronomer Bhaskara invented a perpetual motion machine. It was a wheel which had vessels partly filled with mercury and fixed at a certain angle following the wheel"s curvature. The rotation of the wheel made mercury flow from one side of the vessels to the other forcing the wheel to continue rotation. It seems that Bhaskara borrowed the design of his perpetual motion machine from the well-known circle of perpetual return and never made an attempt to construct the device described by him. Maybe it was not important for Bhaskara to know whether his mechanism was feasible or not, most likely it served for him just as a convenient mathematical abstraction.

However, European mechanics having familiarized with Bhaskara"s works a few decades later, without immersing in the Indian philosophy, enthusiastically accepted his expedient design.

One of them, Villand de Honnecourt, who lived in the 13th century, became prominent as the author of a slightly modified perpetual motion machine . In fact, his design was almost a replica of Bhaskara's wheel, but instead of mercury Honnecourt employed an odd number of little hammers. The rotation would make hammers strike the wheel and keep it going.

We do not know, whether Honnecourt did construct his machine or not, but he often demonstrated contempt to his 'unlucky competitors'. He remained confident that his machine not only would stop, but could also do useful work such as operating a saw or lifting weights.

Leonardo da Vinci manifested a profound interest in this problem, too. Although his attitude to perpetual motion machines was rather skeptical, he had devoted plenty of time to criticize variations on the wheel of Bhaskara and to a detailed analysis of mistakes made by his compatriot Francisco di Georgio. Complex systems incorporating pumps and mill wheels looked fine on paper and even worked, but, alas, in fact were not perpetual motion machines. Two hundred years after Leonardo"s death such a system was thought commonplace as conceptually impossible. Yet, in the 1950s the idea to use water as a source of infinite energy was revived in Victor Shauberger's endeavours. However, the child was again stillborn.

Not all, however, blindly supported the concept of perpetual motion. Dr. Robert Fludd (1574-1637) the famous philosopher, mystic and probably a member of the half-clandestine brotherhood of Rosicrucians in his treatise " De Simila Naturae ", making references to an anonymous Italian inventor, presented a drawing of a water engine, but questioned its ability to operate. By a twist of fate, Fludd is regarded, by and large, as a proponent for the idea of perpetual motion, and sometimes the authorship of drawings in his books is wrongly attributed to him.

The interest of the European science in magnets could not but be reflected in the design of devices claimed as perpetual motion machines. Bishop John Wilkins of Chester (1614-72), the renowned scientist and the first secretary of the British Royal Society, over many years had been cherishing the dream of building a perpetual motion machine using magnets. To support his concept, Wilkins made a drawing of the machine, which featured a magnet, a steel ball and special ramps along which the ball first ran downwards due to gravitation and then went upwards attracted to the magnet. And though he failed to make a successful model, Wilkins believed in a perpetual motion machine based on his theory till his end. In his opinion, a little more effort was needed to score a success.

Development of mechanical perpetual motion machines reached its peak in the works of Johann Bessler (1680-1745) also known as Orffyreus (the latinized cryptogram of "Bessler"). The fate of Bessler, notorious for his bad temper, offers a good illustration of a need for the introduction of the patent law. The inventor wanted to sell his perpetual motion machine for one hundred thousand thalers (equivalent to about two millions dollars of nowadays ), but agreed to reveal its details only after selling it. Fear that its secret could be stolen made Johann Bessler repeatedly destroy the drawings and prototypes and flee to other towns. No wonder that for many people he was a swindler or madman.

Even if Bessler was a swindler, he was an ingenious, though unlucky one. The inventor allowed nobody to have a look inside the mechanisms designed by him, at the same time willingly displaying them to all and sundry.

In 1719, Johann Bessler, under an assumed name of Orffyreus, published his treatise "Perpetuum Mobile Triumphans " in which, inter alia, he claimed that he managed to create "a dead substance that is not just a self-moving mechanism , but may also be used for lifting weights and doing some kind of work".

Two years earlier occurred the most impressive demonstration of Bessler"s invention. A machine with a 3.5 m shaft in diameter was actuated on November 17, 1717. On that day the room, where the model was placed, was sealed. It was opened again on January 4, 1718 and the wheel was still rotating at the same speed as several weeks ago.

During seven years of active experiments (1712-19) Bessler had built over three hundred models claimed as perpetual motion machines of two types. In the first type model, the wheel rotated only in one direction and to stop its rotation great strength was needed . In the other type model, the shaft could rotate in any direction and be stopped rather easily. Bessler"s machine was not only self-sustaining but had enough energy to perform any work, for example, to lift weights.

However, neither numerous certificates issued by independent commissions, nor public demonstrations brought Bessler money required to establish a school for engineers, which was his long cherished dream. Four thousand thalers lumpsum and a house received as a gift from the landgrave Karl, the owner of Weissenstein castle, were the only benefits Johann Bessler got from the authorities.
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http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/12618_.html
 
This may be rubbish anyway as it is from PRWeb which will release anything as long as you pay (see the Andy kauffman lvies thread):

Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production in Europe


All-magnet motor poised to be first to reach market. German manufacturer licensed to manufacture 20 kw unit for Europe and Russia.

JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA (PRWEB) July 2, 2004 -- For centuries, inventors have been claiming to come up with magnetic motor designs that use nothing more than the power of permanent magnets for the motive force; and for the same amount of time, mainstream science has responded that this is impossible. "It has been proven mathematically that no combination of permanent magnets in any arrangement will generate power." {1}

History tells us that what has been proven in many people's back yards and garages does not always coincide with mathematics.

Refusing to be daunted by what he considers to be petty dogmas of academic science, inventor Michael J. Brady of Johannesburg not only claims to have produced such a device, but reports that his company, Perendev Power Developments Pty (Ltd) is now in process of manufacturing it on a large scale for markets in Europe, Russia, and Australia.

Perendev's new website was published recently at Perendev-Power.com with the assertion that they have achieved the milestone of producing "the world's first fuelless magnetic engine."

Other inventors who claim to have built working all-magnetic motors would take exception to the Perendev claim to being the first, as stated on the site. Brady mentioned that he had noticed some inaccuracies on the wording on the site and that he would be addressing them.

What is yet to be attained by anyone is a market-ready device. If Perendev continues on the track claimed on its site, it could achieve that distinction, and set the hitherto balking scientists community into motion to come up with theories of why it works.

The site features video footage of an earlier prototype running as well as computer simulations of the newer designs. The prototype video is not skeptic proof, as it does not do a walk-around during acceleration. Brady has been promising another video that would do a walk around before, during, and after motor engagement and acceleration followed by disengagement and deceleration.

A page about the motor says that the motor works "by focusing the magnetic field, the angles of the magnets and a special method of shielding." Also, "the motor does not require external power to start up." Brady reports that tests run have shown no diminution of magnet strength over period of motor operation, which was two months in one instance.

As the stators become engaged, the three rotors with off-set magnet alignment begin to spin. The speed is controlled by a governor. Without the speed control, the device would accelerate to destruction.

Brady also states that a 4 megawatt unit is plausible with this design, and has been rendered in conceptual blue print form.

A German company has licensed the manufacturing and marketing rights for all of Europe and Russia, excluding the U.K., and is in process of tooling up to begin mass production. Two other groups are in process of negotiating licensing terms with from Perendev. One is in the U.K., for rights to manufacture and market in the U.K., and the other is in Australia, for rights down under.

Brady brought a prototype to the Germans in mid March, and said they have been testing it since that time. The prototype has been undergoing testing by TÜV, a German consumer quality control agency.

The name of the German company will be revealed when they have finished tooling up and are ready to begin production, which Brady estimates will take place in a month or two. He said that these units will be consumer ready for application in home use, pending the stamp of approval from TUFF. Brady also plans to allow German television crews to document the device for public view.

Twenty kilowatts is adequate to handle the peak load of most homes. Ran continuously at that rate, the excess produced during average use, which is five percent of peak use, could be sold to the grid for a quick return on investment. It will put out quite a bit more than twenty kilowatts, said Brady. "That is what it is rated to produce continuously."

In May he reported to have tested the unit with a larger alternator rated at 60 kw "with very little degrading of the motor's performance."

Brady has been churning on this idea for thirty years, and actively developing it for approximately the last five.

"We've been through hell -- no money coming from anywhere -- but we made it through." A German citizen working in South Africa for a Hollywood project came and talked to them and told them, "Let's put that behind us and move forward."

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The above article by Sterling D. Allan of Pure Energy Systems is published at
pesn.com/2004/06/30/6900029PerendevPowerMagneticMotor/

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- June 29, 2004 phone interview with Mike Brady.
- Visit by author to Johannesburg to meet Brady in December 2002.
- Three years of regular contact with the inventor.

Perendev Power's Official Website
perendev-power.com

List of Magnetic Motor Claims by Various Inventors
FreeEnergy.GreaterThings.com/Directory/MagneticMotors/

TÜV Rheinland Group documents the safety and quality of new and existing products, systems and services
www.tuv.com/


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Quite a track record there in his other press releases ;)

Emps
 
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The footage of the motor "running" is wonderful. Strangely you can only see the front face (with a hint of the side) and so are unable to see what might be going on at the back-end. :)
 
"History tells us that what has been proven in many people's back yards and garages does not always coincide with mathematics"

Can anyone think of an example?
 
Wembley said:
Can anyone think of an example?
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Didn't hoover manufacturers claim Dyson's cyclonic super magic enchanted hoover wouldn't work, thus causing him difficulty getting it produced but eventually making him rich and causing the other hoover-related appliance makers to produce knock-offs?
 
There's also the lifting frame where a bunch of capacitors are hooked together and have a current run though them and they levitate.

Do a google search theres loads on it.

LD
 
"There's also the lifting frame where a bunch of capacitors are hooked together and have a current run though them and they levitate."

And what's so surprising about that? A-level physics as I recall, rather than antigravity...
 
Well interestingly I don't think the lifting frame has been fully explained. Do you have the page of the particular curriculum to which you refer?

LD
 
Ta. NASA's 'common errors' page is also good on lifters -

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/ComnErr.html - or maybe it's a conspiracy.

Anyone else remember Jasker Power SYstems, and Irish perpetual motion machine a couple of years back poised to transform the world if you invested in them?
 
Didn't hoover manufacturers claim Dyson's cyclonic super magic enchanted hoover wouldn't work
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Probably, but would mathematics be their motivation for saying that?
 
I seem to remember a debunking of the Biefeld-Brown effect as it is traditionally explained. It centered around the inonisation not being powerful enough for the effect.

Damn, I'll have try to find that again.

LD
 
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nope the Dyson vac works on very well known principles...industry has been useing that sort of cyclonic tecnology for a very long time indeed...nothing new, just a new aplication.
 
I used to be an aircraft mechanic and there is an air cleaning system used in most Beoing aircraft in the packs, or air conn units, that simply makes a high speed stream of air change direction through 90 degrees twice in rapid succession thus making anything that isn't a light as the air fall out of the air stream. No filters, no moving parts. In fact it is stunningly simple for an American design.

AFAIK, the Dyson does the same, the air is turned a few times until anything that's brought in with it is simply dropped from the airstream.

LD
 
yep theres precisely zero mystery to it...they make em out of clear plastic so one can see what it does anyway.. magnets are seductive to "free energy " merchants cos they do act odd what with repusion and attraction..same with Gyroscopes.
 
Cyclone technology has been around for a long time, getting on for a hundred years. It's mainly been used in industry for things like cleaning air or recovery of material supended in gasses.

I've used them for aerosol size measurements (shudder).

I think they also fit them ins ome diesel engines to remove soot, or 'crap' as it's technically known.
 
Article from this Thursday column by Mark Pilkington:

Keep on running

Mark Pilkington
Thursday November 4, 2004
The Guardian

"A more self-willed, self-satisfied, or self-deluded class of the community it would be impossible to imagine. They hope against hope, scorning all opposition with ridiculous vehemence, although centuries have not advanced them one step in the way of progress." The Mechanic's Magazine on perpetual motion enthusiasts, 1848.

The first known perpetual motion device was a wheel powered by mercury running along its spokes, described by the eighth-century Indian astronomer Bhaskara. Known as "overbalanced wheels", these devices recur throughout history; other contraptions have used water, atmospheric pressure, magnets, radiation, even gravity itself. The first UK patent for a perpetual motion machine was granted in 1635; the second, for an overbalanced wheel, in 1662. More than 600 applications have followed and today both the UK and US patent offices refuse to grant perpetual motion patents.

The last device to be taken seriously was the radium clock, built by William Strutt in 1903, the year before he won the Nobel prize and became Lord Rayleigh. Inside an evacuated glass case, two gold leaves opened and closed with no obvious source of power. It was some time before the mystery was solved. The leaves were actually charged by radioactive emissions from radium inside the container. It was a close shot: such a device could run for over a thousand years.

It's understandable that perpetual motion gets such short shrift from the establishment: the notion contravenes two of the laws of thermodynamics that govern our understanding of the physical universe.

The first law states that "energy is conserved". Energy is never lost or gained in a physical process, it is converted from one form - in a perpetual motion machine usually kinetic energy - into another, such as heat, generated by friction. The second law concerns entropy. Its disorderly effects mean that, however cunning your perpetual motion creation, it's condemned to run out of steam eventually.

Physicists are actually grateful to the perpetual motion mechanics. These laws of thermodynamics were formulated in the 19th century to explain why no perpetual motion machines had yet worked. The overbalanced wheel still displayed in the Royal Institution suggests that their place in science history has not been overlooked.
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IT IS the modern-day equivalent of turning base metal into gold, and Sean McCarthy believes that he has it cracked.

A free, infinite supply of pure energy could be sitting in a secure area of an unprepossessing unit in the Docklands of Dublin. Mr McCarthy claims to have created a perpetual motion machine, a device that can produce at least as much energy as it consumes, so that once it has been set running it can continue indefinitely.

Even Sir Isaac Newton, who spent years trying to turn base metals into gold, reputedly said: “The seekers after perpetual motion are trying to get something from nothing.”

The problem is that after allowing The Times and its physics expert, John White, into the office, Mr McCarthy decided not to let us see the machine. It is some form of an all-magnet motor and the only clue that he will give is that it looks like “a grandfather clock, without its pendulum”.

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rynner2 said:
... a story about a P.M. machine in Tennessee
Link is dead. No archived version found.

This thing has been studied by physicists, engineers and non-scientists alike, each eager to prove these contraptions (1) will work or (2) won't work. As you know, the "won'ts" have been winning for centuries.

But the "wills" are not deterred. They insist the mystery just hasn't been solved. And thus the search goes on.

Brown is one of the disciples of "will." He is a retired computer programmer from Tampa, Fla., who has spent most of a lifetime studying this phenomenon. He flew to East Tennessee last week and was joined by another "will" believer, Mike Foght, an electronics technician from Bucyrus, Ohio.

They brought calipers, protractors, rulers, gauge sets, mirrors, scales and other instruments. They took measurements down to one-one-thousandth of an inch. They set up a camera on a tripod and snapped pictures by the dozens.
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FYI ... Brown published a book on the Asa Jackson perpetual motion device:
Asa Jackson Perpetual Motion Wheel: Complete Specifications
By David W. R. Brown · 2003
ISBN: 9780974347707, 0974347701
Page count: 146
Publisher: Museum of Appalachia
Contributors: Doug Jackson, John Rice Irwin, Mikey Ned, Sam Venable
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It's not exactly perpetual motion but does anyone remember the old Selenium light meters? I still have a fully functional Weston Euromaster (made 1973) which I use (admittedly very rarely) with my 35mm manual Pentax SV. From 1963.

The meter works entirely off available light, no other power source whatsoever.

If we could construct a turbine or other low friction motor on the same principle it wouldn't be eternal motion, but it would be perpetual motion in the life of this planet. Well, maybe except at night, but the meters do still work until it's totally black. And I guess there would be maintenance stops. OK, lets call it 'free motion' instead.

OK, it might make us more dependant on winter / summer cycles, until the Sun dies. In the North we'd maybe hibernate in winter like they already more-or-less do in extreme northern climes (Minnesota) , but the equator would do fine. and 'globalwarming' would be a positive benefit.

However - I like that word, almost no-one else does - it would be free to use because there is no way you could tax it. Maybe this is why governments would do everything possible to stop such a machine from being developed.

Summary. You can't have perpetual (read eternal) motion, and you can't have friction free. But I don't see why you couldn't get close to both except it would entirely destroy the current world order.

We need Tesla reincarnated.
 
Cochise said:
It's not exactly perpetual motion but does anyone remember the old Selenium light meters?
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I had one that my Dad gave me. I don't know what happened to it.
 
Cochise said:
Summary. You can't have perpetual (read eternal) motion, and you can't have friction free. But I don't see why you couldn't get close to both except it would entirely destroy the current world order.
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Put a flywheel in a vacuum chamber and send it into space. Set it spinning.
It'll keep spinning until the axis friction slows it down.
If it has magnets mounted on it, in close proximity to a thick copper plate, it can cause enough induction to heat the copper and thereby warm up water.
The laws of thermodynamics would eventually kick in, but you could use this system alongside others, to maintain a steady flow of energy.
 
Cochise said:
It's not exactly perpetual motion but does anyone remember the old Selenium light meters? I still have a fully functional Weston Euromaster (made 1973) which I use (admittedly very rarely) with my 35mm manual Pentax SV. From 1963.

The meter works entirely off available light, no other power source whatsoever.

If we could construct a turbine or other low friction motor on the same principle it wouldn't be eternal motion, but it would be perpetual motion in the life of this planet. Well, maybe except at night, but the meters do still work until it's totally black. And I guess there would be maintenance stops. OK, lets call it 'free motion' instead.

OK, it might make us more dependant on winter / summer cycles, until the Sun dies. In the North we'd maybe hibernate in winter like they already more-or-less do in extreme northern climes (Minnesota) , but the equator would do fine. and 'globalwarming' would be a positive benefit.

However - I like that word, almost no-one else does - it would be free to use because there is no way you could tax it. Maybe this is why governments would do everything possible to stop such a machine from being developed.

Summary. You can't have perpetual (read eternal) motion, and you can't have friction free. But I don't see why you couldn't get close to both except it would entirely destroy the current world order.

We need Tesla reincarnated.
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so... solar power?
 
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