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Oi! Get off my furniture!
Why do you think I always remain in your lounge?
They must edit it out of all the cookery shows on TV...Not very pleasant!
Unpleasant behaviour does seem to happen a lot in kitchens.
You mean, like anything with Gordon Ramsay in it?They must edit it out of all the cookery shows on TV...
I'm looking forward to seeing this!An interesting study of a psychopath.
The Nest: Trader Rory (Jude Law) persuades his horse trainer wife Allison (Carrie Coon) to move to Britain where he was raised and earned glory in commodities deals. They move along with their children, into a large stately home. Soon problems arise, Alison discovers that Rory has been economical with the truth regarding the move. Bills build up, cheques bounce. The children are unhappy with school, the house appears to have a strange effect on the family; Alison's horse becomes ill. Alison isn't totally blind to Rory's machinations though. The dark foreboding manor is a major player in the unfolding of the narrative, dark corridors, twisted staircases, hidden rooms and doors, a bit like Rory's thought processes. The lies and delusions build to a crescendo as Rory hurtles along a path to self-destruction. Written/Directed by Seán Durkin. 8/10.
The looking forward to seeing this!
... the example concerning the mislabelled images suggests to me that psychopaths are probably useful in some circumstances because they are not distracted by trivial detail and can quickly recognise a thing for what it is. That should not only make them less susceptible to sudden attacks by camouflaged creatures but also to marketing and political propaganda.
FULL STORY: https://www.sciencealert.com/wild-n...ot-be-the-mental-disorder-we-imagine-it-to-beWild Paper Claims Psychopathy May Not Be a Mental Disorder, But Something Else
For more than half a century, the kinds of antisocial personality traits we think of as psychopathic – such as a lack of remorse, aggression, and disregard for the wellbeing of others – have been associated with mental illness.
The line between broken and useful traits can be hazy in biology, leaving open the possibility that what is now considered a malfunction might once have been promoted by natural selection.
We might find it tricky to think of evolution benefiting antisocial people, but nature has no problem leaving room for the occasional freeloader within otherwise cooperative species like our own. Those alternative traits that make psychopaths so despised could feasibly give them an edge in a world where competition for resources is intense.
A team of Canadian researchers explored this possibility in a study published last year in the journal Evolutionary Psychology, arguing psychopathy lacks certain hallmarks of a disorder, so should be considered more like a function operating as intended.
Their conclusion is based on an analysis of existing research containing validated measures of psychopathy together with details on the person's handedness; however, this correlation echoes outdated science from the early days of criminal psychology. ...
Psychopathy can at once be unwanted under one set of circumstances and prized in another, without invoking models of disease. It can be both an alternative strategy to survival, helping in some social contexts before becoming a disorder in another. ...
Whether we'll continue to regard psychopathy as a disorder in the future will depend on a variety of considerations, not least the results of studies like this one. ...
Whoa.
Premises:
1. Psychopathy may be defined as a "perturbation(s) affecting neurodevelopment".
2. Nonright-handedness is a sign of such perturbations
Ergo:
3. If psychopathy is a mental disorder, psychopaths should show elevated rates of nonright-handedness
Oh yeah?
This is only true if
Nonright-handedness is always a sign of such perturbations. Or "in more than 50% of cases of non-righthandedness" (and they do mean left-handedness right? Because if there's another option they should be posting on this Board.)
These are, like, degreed professionals?
Whoa. ...
These are, like, degreed professionals?
Folks who needed a sexy topic to get published. Yes I'm being too snarky I'm sure they meant well. Maybe it's communication skills.@Lb8535: great minds think alike I had already composed this post when I refreshed and read yours. I am ambidextrous, BTW, but usually write with my left hand. Perhaps I am a psychopath because of my left-handedness, and an effective one because of my ambidexterity.
But these scientists are published in a peer-reviewed journal. Snark. Snark.
https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...t-make-you-go-wtf.26340/page-757#post-2163937
I have not read the article, and this is not my field, but a few problems with the premises or assumption set leap to the eye:
1. Left-handedness is a brain neurodevelopment perturbation.
2. Left-handedness as a purturbation is or may be significantly associated with other symptoms of the same purturbation.
For premise #1: not all left handedness is correlated with specific, demonstrated brain perturbation.
For premise #2: the overall brain neurodevelopment perturbation must be demonstrated by primary evidence such as brain scan showing different, not healthy activation, or different neurochemicals, and NOT deduced by secondary behavior. Behavior is a symptom (but of what?), not a cause. The cause is a supposition in this case.
So, the entire logic of this seems to be a chain of suppositions. Each of these suppositions may be provisionally acceptable, but strung together, they become more unlikely to hold together.
FULL STORY: https://www.sciencealert.com/dark-e...e-of-the-most-dangerous-of-personality-traits'Dark Empaths' Could Hide Some of The Most Dangerous Personality Traits
People with "dark personality traits", such as psychopathy or narcissism, are more likely to be callous, disagreeable and antagonistic in their nature. Such traits exists on a continuum – we all have more or less of them, and this does not necessarily equate to being clinically diagnosed with a personality disorder.
Traditionally, people who are high in dark traits are considered to have empathy deficits, potentially making them more dangerous and aggressive than the rest of us. But we recently discovered something that challenges this idea.
Our study, published in Personality and Individual Differences, identified a group of individuals with dark traits who report above average empathic capacities – we call them "dark empaths".
Since this study, the dark empath has earned a reputation as the most dangerous personality profile. But is this really the case? ...
[The] ... lack of (specifically affective) empathy is a well documented hallmark in clinical psychopathy used to explain their often persistent, instrumental violent behavior. Our own work supports the notion that one of the reasons people with dark traits hurt other people or have difficulties in relationships is an underpinning lack of empathy.
Paradoxically, however, some researchers have previously reported average or even higher levels of some aspects of empathy in some people with dark traits.
This makes sense in a way, as to manipulate others for your own gain – or indeed enjoy the pain of others – you must have at least some capacity to understand them. Thus, we questioned whether dark traits and empathy were indeed mutually exclusive phenomena. ...
As expected, we found a traditional dark triad group with low scores in empathy (about 13 percent of the sample). We also found a group with lower to average levels across all traits (about 34 percent were "typicals") and a group with low dark traits and high levels of empathy (about 33 percent were "empaths").
However, a fourth group of people, the "dark empaths", was clearly evident. They had higher scores on both dark traits and empathy (about 20 percent of our sample). Interestingly, this latter group scored higher on both cognitive and affective empathy than the "dark triad" and "typical" groups. ...
As one of my brothers is a sociopath / psychopath (I have trouble distinguishing the differences, and perhaps he is both anyway), I believe that their biggest talent is charm - they develop a false front when very young, and can charm anyone into believing absolutely anything about them.Evolutionary benefits of being a psychopath.
When you start to notice them, psychopaths seem to be everywhere. This is especially true of people in powerful places.
By one estimate, as many as 20 percent of business leaders have "clinically relevant levels" of psychopathic tendencies – despite the fact as little as 1 percent of the general population are considered psychopaths. Psychopaths are characterized by shallow emotions, a lack of empathy, immorality, anti-social behavior and, importantly, deceptiveness.
From an evolutionary point of view, psychopathy is puzzling. Given that psychopathic traits are so negative, why do they remain in successive generations?
Psychopathy seems to be, in the words of biologists, "maladaptive", or disadvantageous. Assuming there's a genetic component to this family of disorders, we'd expect it to decrease over time.
But that's not what we see – and there's evidence that the tendencies are, at least in some contexts, an evolutionary benefit. According to my own research, the reason for this may be down to the ability to fake desirable qualities through deception. ...
https://www.sciencealert.com/psychopaths-appear-to-possess-a-mysterious-evolutionary-benefit
Yes. This is one of the few movies I have watched. Well played.Excuse me if anyone else has mentioned this, but I watched 'The Talented Mr. Ripley' the other day, Matt Damon as Ripley, from 1999. First time I've seen it, from the book by Patricia Highsmith. Very interesting how Damon morphs into whatever the situation requires.
Eye opening.
Excuse me if anyone else has mentioned this, but I watched 'The Talented Mr. Ripley' the other day, Matt Damon as Ripley, from 1999. First time I've seen it, from the book by Patricia Highsmith. Very interesting how Damon morphs into whatever the situation requires.
Eye opening.
Psychopathy seems to be, in the words of biologists, "maladaptive", or disadvantageous. Assuming there's a genetic component to this family of disorders, we'd expect it to decrease over time.
But that's not what we see – and there's evidence that the tendencies are, at least in some contexts, an evolutionary benefit.
You warmongerer! Welcome to the club. (there are so many clubs)Culling the herd...
Actually, the traits are desireable if they can be applied to The Enemy.
Never heard of that film, thank you!Great film and book. Also worth watching is Ripley's Game, set about 20 years after Talented, with John Malkovich as Ripley.
You warmongerer! Welcome to the club. (there are so many clubs)
Me too (American English for "I also"). I kill any badly damaged bird or animal I run across as part of that kindness.I want too make it clear that I am Kind to Animals. Apart from being a carnivore.
Mistreating animals is a strong indicator of psychopathic behaviour.