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Rex Heflin Photographs (Santa Ana, California; 1965)

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Hi folks, didn't see a dedicated thread for the Heflin photos yet.
Here is another analysis of them, PDF download:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.6587&rep=rep1&type=pdf
They like to isolate folks on roads; they have control, and observed thinks it has safety and control (in car). Kind of like an old drive-in restaurant, except instead of girls on skates, you get flying discs and no mikshake or fries...
 
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How things change:



Myford Rd., junction with Walnut Ave., Tustin, CA, looking north

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I always thought the Heflin ufo was really 'dorky' looking. And for Pete's sake why would an advanced alien craft have a 'smoke ring'...?
What's that all about?
 

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I always thought the Heflin ufo was really 'dorky' looking. And for Pete's sake why would an advanced alien craft have a 'smoke ring'...?
What's that all about?
I think it is 100% real --it is a road encounter, a common tactic. The "smoke" ring might be space dust (like micrometeoritic dust) or some other kind of muck, dislodged when the object took off at speed. UFOs don't look like the Baroque creations of special effects departments, but are very simple compact devices that can do amazing things --that's "advanced". Same with the McMinnville object and many other photos and descriptiokns ginign back to the Sternenshiff, etc.
There is a photo of a UFO traveling on edge that is totally covered with dirt or dust to the point it was described as a "flying crisp" --it's in the historic articles section.
 
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I think it is 100% real --it is a road encounter, a common tactic. The "smoke" ring might be space dust (like micrometeoritic dust) or some other kind of muck, dislodged when the object took off at speed. UFOs don't look like the Baroque creations of special effects departments, but are very simple compact devices that can do amazing things --that's "advanced". Same with the McMinnville object and many other photos and descriptiokns ginign back to the Sternenshiff, etc.
There is a photo of a UFO traveling on edge that is totally covered with dirt or dust to the point it was described as a "flying crisp" --it's in the historic articles section.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'common tactic'.
Space dust....really? Where did you come up with that? I have never heard that one before . :hahazebs:
I'm sorry but that looks fake to me .....I recall seeing those many years ago and thought they looked really silly.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean by 'common tactic'.
Space dust....really? Where did you come up with that? I have never heard that one before . :hahazebs:
I'm sorry but that looks fake to me .....I recall seeing those many years ago and thought they looked really silly.
If you look through the old articles, you'll find many road encounters, of the flash and dash variety. Appearing to folks isolated on roads, or appearing over a body of water near an observer -like over the ocean, is a not uncommon tactic.
If you continue to look through the old accounts you'll find that UFOs emit all kinds of vapours, mists, angel hair etc. some are described as dirty or having a used-up looking metallic surface. The flying "crisp" I mentioned, was covered with dust or dirt or something. In the case of the Heflin photos (which have been found to be of a real something) the "smoke" ring appears to have dislodged from the surface suddenly after a sudden instantaneous acceleration by the object. The analysis in that paper is good.
Space is full of dust too.
 

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There seem to be some other examples of people photographing smoke rings in online papers, most if not all are offered up as "mysterious" in the headline but then put down to some mundane source. Maybe no-one witnessed them actually appear, which still leaves a mystery.
But, could it be that Van Heflin legitimately saw the smoke ring first and took a picture, then subsequently faked the disk? I hope not
Was the film examined to see what order the pictures were taken?
 

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Yes, and there was no way to tell which order the photos were taken in. The photos were taken as Polaroid self-developing photos, so they each came out of the camera separately as positive images, without going through a negative stage. When these photos were taken there were no serial numbers on the individual photos, so no-one can tell which image was taken first.

I note that James McDonald never fully accepted that the 'fourth' photo was taken on the same day, since the clouds in that image are completely different; if McDonald's suspicions were correct, then the smoke ring photo might have been taken at any time, before or after.
 

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McDonald had trouble with the clouds visible in the "smoke" ring photo, but photo analysts didn't, blaming the discrepancy on exposure and other factors. I believe Heflin drove a short distance and then took the pic of the smoke ring, too. This re-analysis posted before is excellent, concludes the photos are real, as do I:
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.6587&rep=rep1&type=pdf
I think it is just a typical road flash and dash, caught on film. Also describes a sighting in the area right before Heflin's that really reminds me of the Woonsocket-style "saucers-by-a-powerline" thing; this one had the outline of a saucer but the whole thing was glowing.
 

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The Heflin pictures are fakes.

A basic yet critical question appears to never have been asked by investigators about the Heflin photos:



Did people in the area know about the photos before they were published in the local newspaper?



Yes they did. And one such person is Mr. Edward Riddle. Ed Riddle was a professional who was later employed as a senior-level technical writer, including for a leading Menlo Park, California electronics technologies company. But in the summer of 1965 Riddle was a young man who was employed by the local telephone company. In the lunch room, Riddle remembers, a fellow that Riddle described as being "in a jolly mood" had come into the company lunch room and had brought with him what Riddle would soon later clearly and instantly recognize as the "Heflin UFO photos."



Riddle recounts that the man had told him that "his neighbor he knew had rigged up a toy train wheel and some monofilament fishing line, hung them out of his truck window, shot them and would maybe just take them to the paper for some fun."



Riddle explained that he did not want to be a "spoil sport" but "jeez, a joke's a joke." He agreed it was time to come clean about what he knew. Given his professional station and that Riddle avoided coming forward on this for decades – and that he never sought or received any compensation or notoriety for this – it is highly likely that he is telling the truth as he remembers it.

Riddle continued with his story: Some time after he had seen the UFO "toy train wheel" photos at work, he saw them in the newspapers, just like he heard they might be. The story had soon become huge, it had become very big news. It was then that Riddle became conflicted and genuinely concerned. He thought that Heflin was affable enough, but Riddle said that he knew what he knew, now what to do? He went home and asked his family what they felt should be his next step. They disapproved of his telling anything. No need to get involved. It will die down and no one is getting hurt or anything. Why spoil one nice guy's fun? The other folks at the office felt they should say nothing. So Riddle held his tongue too.

Today his family supports Riddle coming forward with his revelation, and they confirm that it happened just as he said it did at the time. And Riddle has confirmed this story to reporter Amy Wilson of The Orange County Register for the record. He is 100% certain that the Heflin photos were shown to him prior to their publication – and that they were explained by Heflin's neighbor as a hoax using toy train wheels. He also detailed to her that he was still wrestling with "talking or not talking" about what he knew to be the truth about the Heflin incident.
Heflin UFO blowup

Blow-up of Heflin UFO

Screen Capture of Toy Train Wheel
Digitally Overlayed with Heflin UFO

And even though the Heflin photos at first seem somewhat impressive – they also seem damn terrestrial. The craft is so "plain" in its features that some had speculated it was not ET at all, but rather a secret Air Force experimental vehicle. But it is frankly not even as "interesting" as such a secret vehicle would appear.

And even less "spectacular" is Heflin's fourth and less-shown photo. It is less-shown probably because it is simply a smoke ring, likely from an air show:

Heflin's "UFO" Smoke Ring Photo

Air Show Smoke Ring at Base

https://www.ufoexplorations.com/ufos-that-never-were-classic-photos
 

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Because all these images (except possibly the smoke ring) were take from inside a truck, the object could have been faked quite easily by an assistant perched on the roof of the van, either dropping or gently throwing a disk-like object past the windows. They aren't really in good-enough focus to get an exact distance estimate; the object was probably quite small, and presumably robust, since it would need to hit the ground several times before the photoshoot was finished.

I like the idea of it being a toy train wheel - perhaps quite a big one, Gauge O or above. Note that we don't see spokes, so it could have been a wagon or carriage wheel - perhaps a wheel from a real narrow-gauge tub wagon, which could have been as much as six inches in diameter.
 

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Because all these images (except possibly the smoke ring) were take from inside a truck, the object could have been faked quite easily by an assistant perched on the roof of the van, either dropping or gently throwing a disk-like object past the windows. They aren't really in good-enough focus to get an exact distance estimate; the object was probably quite small, and presumably robust, since it would need to hit the ground several times before the photoshoot was finished.

I like the idea of it being a toy train wheel - perhaps quite a big one, Gauge O or above. Note that we don't see spokes, so it could have been a wagon or carriage wheel - perhaps a wheel from a real narrow-gauge tub wagon, which could have been as much as six inches in diameter.
An O-gauge loco wheel would seem to be about 40 to 45mm in diameter, based on 7mm/foot, and a real-world loco wheel being about 6’ to 6’ 6” in diameter.

You’d need gunfighter reflexes to synchronise the throw by your partner on the truck roof, your own reaction time and the time lag of the camera’s shutter release.

I reckon Heflin’s bosses would be faced with a pretty massive Polaroid film bill before he achieved three well-framed results.

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Fishing line. No throwing needed. It’s in the text.

Riddle recounts that the man had told him that "his neighbor he knew had rigged up a toy train wheel and some monofilament fishing line, hung them out of his truck window, shot them and would maybe just take them to the paper for some fun."
 

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Well, that would explain the lack of damage from repeated contact with the ground.
 

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Fishing line seems to be a favourite for hoaxers.
Objects stuck on glass are another favourite if you’re looking for a no strings solution.
Once you suspect the photo is a fake, you can reassess the image with the scale of the object being a lot smaller and closer.

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This is supposed to be a large object but look how the background fades into the distance losing black in the shadows and contrast on the other side of the foliage separating the truck from the field. The contrast on the object is more consistent with the foreground than the faded middle of the field or the faint greys further in the background. And if you look in the rear-view mirror, the vehicle is parked very close to some overhead phone wires. Very handy.
 
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It seems so obvious when you look at it.

Most, but not all, photos and videos showing nuts-and-bolts UFOs are fakes; the few that are not have some other mundane explanation. Maybe one day there will be a real alien craft in one of these photos; it hasn't happened yet.
 

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It seems so obvious when you look at it.

Most, but not all, photos and videos showing nuts-and-bolts UFOs are fakes; the few that are not have some other mundane explanation. Maybe one day there will be a real alien craft in one of these photos; it hasn't happened yet.
I just believe that anything capable of travelling interstellar distances will be capable of building something more high tech than a metallic-looking spheroid. I think we'd be talking vehicles built of light particles or plasma. Because - why wouldn't you?
 

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Perhaps.
In the earliest stages of development of interstellar flight, any travellers would probably arrive in a tiny, badly eroded module - they would expend so much energy in acceleration and deceleration en route that they would have barely anything left for life support when they arrived.

But after several thousand years of technological development, their craft could probably be made to look like anything - even a toy train wheel. I should note that (despite the mythology) a saucer is a shockingly bad aerodynamic design.
 
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We’ve done smoke rings too. In fact I saw one of these daytime fireworks created very near me in 2014...

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The eventual answer came in the middle of Tuesday afternoon when a statement from Warwick Castle confirmed that they had been testing fireworks.
A Warwick Castle spokesman said they had been trying out "fire effects" to go with the daily firing of the Trebuchet Fireball - a giant catapult.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27037579


Space Dust indeed.:sshot:
 

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Perhaps.
In the earliest stages of development of nterstellar flight, any travellers would probably arrive in a tiny, badly eroded module - they would expend so much energy in acceleration and deceleration en route that they would have barely anything left for life support when they arrived.

But after several thousand years of technological development, their craft could probably be made to look like anything - even a toy train wheel. I should note that (despite the mythology) a saucer is a shockingly bad aerodynamic design.
But they needn't travel using acceleration and deceleration - there may be other methods of transport that we, using our human analogies, are unable to comprehend. Wormholes, teleportation, travelling by light...none of these would require 'conventional' craft. They would likely not need 'life support' as we imagine it either. We are so human-centric that we seem to believe that nails bolts and rivets with engines attached are the only way to go - anything that really wants to travel beyond the home planet and has the ability, is likely to have moved far beyond eroded metal and life supports.
 
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