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Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Conspiracy Theories & Claims

Cochise said:
Which begs the question. Does it actually work? Russia, Bahrain and China all say it does, to some extent at least. Not sources I'd trust my life to, though :)

QUOTE="kamalktk, post: 1947379, member: 42922"]It's 100% percent effective in curing you of Covid-19 if it kills you, which it easily can do. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/health/arizona-coronavirus-chloroquine-death/index.html
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They consumed a fish tank additive, not the medicine we are talking about. Darwin award, methinks.

It certainly is a drug that you can't just gulp down like Smarties. But if it can be used in hospitals to save lives as is alleged, they why not?

As with so much in this situation, there is a lot of loud opinionating from opposing camps but very little actual knowledge. Given the more pessimistic estimates of casualties, should we (in the West) not at least be investigating these claims rather than dismissing them? We are all being told it is a somewhat urgent situation, are we not?[/QUOTE]


The main problem being that it hasn't been established that it works through the use of any scientific trials. The additional fallout is that some patients who need the drug for conditions where it has been proven to work now can't get it.

Yes it should be investigated but mass prescribing of an unproven remedy isn't a good idea.
 
Okay, so this is David Icke, so were already starting from a point that we're familiar with here, but ignoring the fact that he's on the edges of reason etc, lets suspend our partiality for pisstaking and assume that some of what he says is correct. I haven't got a fully functioning bullshit detector but the one that I do have works reasonably well....... It's an interesting watch if only for the fact that it's Icke (son of god?) so buckle yourself in..............
 
I shall have a look at the video linked above (I rarely give David Icke much credence, though as a true Fortean, my mind is open to everything, but trusting in much less).

Meantime: can I highly-commend for your consideration the following video statement by the interesting and evidently-intelligent Dr Vernon Coleman.

It's only investing around 12mins of your time, but you may genuinely find his calm collation of facts inescapably-correct (and his conclusions difficult to entirely-reject)
 
My question is - what are the figures (comparing to previous years) for deaths as a result of 'seasonal flu' for this 'season'?
Are we seeing the same or similar amounts....and then covid-19 on top of that? or not?
Just saying.
And equally, I don't give Icke much (if any) credence, but you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Cochise said:
Which begs the question. Does it actually work? Russia, Bahrain and China all say it does, to some extent at least. Not sources I'd trust my life to, though :)

QUOTE="kamalktk, post: 1947379, member: 42922"]It's 100% percent effective in curing you of Covid-19 if it kills you, which it easily can do. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/health/arizona-coronavirus-chloroquine-death/index.html
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They consumed a fish tank additive, not the medicine we are talking about. Darwin award, methinks.

It certainly is a drug that you can't just gulp down like Smarties. But if it can be used in hospitals to save lives as is alleged, they why not?

Cochise said:
As with so much in this situation, there is a lot of loud opinionating from opposing camps but very little actual knowledge. Given the more pessimistic estimates of casualties, should we (in the West) not at least be investigating these claims rather than dismissing them? We are all being told it is a somewhat urgent situation, are we not?
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It's being tested in several hospitals in the US, not nfortunarely not double-blind, but in an organized program.
 
I'm going straight out there with it.
The whole Covid-19 pandemic IS a a massive con.
We already have seasonal flu which is nasty and kills people.
Governments are using it (covid-19) as a reason to impose new rules/restrictions/laws in order to subdue the population and/or deal with increasingly ageing populations as it's a drain on resources.
Everyone else is doing as they're told and 'self isolating' etc.
And everyone has to be prepared to endure weeks if not months of restrictions on their freedoms and civil liberties because of it.
TBH it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference to my lifestyle, except for not being able to go out and socialise at the local boozer.
But it is worrying that (as i mentioned previously) this whole thing is being used as a way of pushing through, without hardly any resistance, new laws etc to enable the police to force control onto peoples ability to carry out their normal routines and social life etc.
And the sooner data/figures/statistics etc show an undeniable lack of support for the 'official' line that the shit is going to hit the fan the better, and hopefully everyone will be able to open their eyes and get back to normal.
Or maybe I'm the madman in the minority here?
 
If there is to be any validation of the arguably over-cautious and paranoid predictions on which these measures have been based, it should be apparent in a matter of mere weeks.

In any case, we have three clear-cut examples (Italy, Iran and Spain) that have to be considered evidence supporting the paranoia. There's reason to suspect the already fearsome stats from China will turn out to be worse than admitted to date. We have yet to see a situation that clearly refutes the doomsayers.
 
EnolaGaia said:
If there is to be any validation of the arguably over-cautious and paranoid predictions on which these measures have been based, it should be apparent in a matter of mere weeks.

In any case, we have three clear-cut examples (Italy, Iran and Spain) that have to be considered evidence supporting the paranoia. There's reason to suspect the already fearsome stats from China will turn out to be worse than admitted to date. We have yet to see a situation that clearly refutes the doomsayers.
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That David Icke video that Trevp666 posted {post #597} is worth watching, even if
like me, you don't particularly care for David Icke.

To summarize the theme, Icke says the test for Covid 19 is inaccurate because
the test only tests for Coronavirus and not specifically for Covid !9.
Is this true? - Because if true then indeed we might believe that a conspiracy to
scare the public is at hand. - If not true David Icke's expose falls apart and the
threat is as real as the Spanish Flu of 1918 and the dire results must be
dealt with as best as possible.

Also, in that video, while Icke was taking apart the current statistics he got on
to the subject of Italy and why so high a case load there - He never did
explain it.
 
Mythopoeika said:
I'm glad he won't be accepting any bullshit. China has to be held to account for this mess.
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Best leave all that till it's over. We've no idea what's happened or if anyone is to blame. Best leave it or only post if you have some valid information from a decent source .

You're just spreading anger which we don't need at the moment.
 
AlienView said:
That David Icke video that Trevp666 posted {post #597} is worth watching, even if
like me, you don't particularly care for David Icke.

To summarize the theme, Icke says the test for Covid 19 is inaccurate because
the test only tests for Coronavirus and not specifically for Covid !9.
Is this true? - Because if true then indeed we might believe that a conspiracy to
scare the public is at hand. - If not true David Icke's expose falls apart and the
threat is as real as the Spanish Flu of 1918 and the dire results must be
dealt with as best as possible.

Also, in that video, while Icke was taking apart the current statistics he got on
to the subject of Italy and why so high a case load there - He never did
explain it.
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No this is inaccurate. The tests are specific to the RNA of Covid-19 from what I've read.

Here's a quick test you can do on your own.

Do you trust a) thousands of people and governments spending billions on producing testing kits? or b) A desperate guy who is milking an emergency to flog a few books and stay relevant by spreading fear?
 
And finally to dispel beliefs in government conspiracies on this pandemic
watch this film on similar events that occurred in 1918 - it will all then make sense.

We Heard the Bells: The Influenza of 1918

"
As many tens of thousands are perishing each year from the flu, and the new Coronavirus has emerged in regions around the world, here's a film that looks back on one of the most tragic of all of history's pandemics. We Heard the Bells: The Influenza of 1918 recalls the outbreak that swept the planet and eventually killed over 50 million people.

The most unique and haunting aspect of the film are the interviews with the survivors of the outbreak. These are the children of the tragedy, many of whom were made orphans during the height of its spread. They speak of the ill effects suffered by the stricken, including the high fever, complete loss of energy and occasional episodes of delirium. The bodies were piling up so quickly that many did not receive proper burials. Entire families were wiped out.

The influenza of 1918 was not like the strains of the flu we see today. Traditional seasonal flu is especially hazardous to the very young, elderly and the chronically diseased. The fatalities that resulted from the 1918 scourge did not discriminate based upon age. Younger men and women were considered high risk.

How did this virus become so virulent and claim so many lives across the age and gender spectrum?................"


In this film you will see that current government actions to stop as much social
interaction as possible are justified and reasonable - until a vaccine or effective
anti-viral drug can be developed.
 
Trevp666 said:
My question is - what are the figures (comparing to previous years) for deaths as a result of 'seasonal flu' for this 'season'?
Are we seeing the same or similar amounts....and then covid-19 on top of that? or not?
Just saying.
And equally, I don't give Icke much (if any) credence, but you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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This was my question last week, largely ignored or met with "This is not the flu!"

I would assume we are still seeing the usual casualties from the flu and this on top, or are general flu deaths being pulled into these figures for Corona?

Is it possible to differentiate someone dying from the flu and someone dying from Corona? They may have caught Corona which exacerbated their situation but they would have died from flu anyway in a normal year.

This should at least be considered before we start claiming every respiratory death as Corona.
 
McAvennie said:
This was my question last week, largely ignored or met with "This is not the flu!"

I would assume we are still seeing the usual casualties from the flu and this on top, or are general flu deaths being pulled into these figures for Corona?

Is it possible to differentiate someone dying from the flu and someone dying from Corona? They may have caught Corona which exacerbated their situation but they would have died from flu anyway in a normal year.

This should at least be considered before we start claiming every respiratory death as Corona.
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Yes, you can differentiate between someone dying from the flu and someone dying of Corona. - Very simple swab tests.

Can some have co-infection of both flu and Covid 19? - yes probably but it looks extremely rare, the issue is that the easier flu test might stop people then testing for Covid so it may be under-reporting the actual cause of death being Covid.


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0299_article
 
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Governments have been slowly eroding civil liberties and personal choice for years they don't need a fucking virus to do this.

Also if it's a big conspiracy how did they recruit all the tens of thousands of scientists and health professionals to become Illuminati henchmen? QUOTED

Well it was managed with the hundreds of thousands of people who faked the moon landings and the tens of thousands that covered up Roswell and the hundreds for Rendlesham. Yes, I'm joking.
 
If all of the world governments were really that organised I would be very impressed. And in a way kind of reassured. But they really aren't that organised.

McAvennie said:
This was my question last week, largely ignored or met with "This is not the flu!"

I would assume we are still seeing the usual casualties from the flu and this on top, or are general flu deaths being pulled into these figures for Corona?
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That's because it is not the flu. People in hospital are being tested quite famously to find out whether they have Corona or flu or something else. Government weekly flu reports are readily available online.
 
Police in Hong Kong have been extra-carefully checking 'yellow' i.e. pro-democracy restaurants (some restaurants more than once an hour) to see if they flout any of the anti-pandemic rules – a cheap excuse to close them down. Here's where it gets a little more conspiracy-theoryish: I saw someone on reddit suggest that the rules were introduced specifically to clamp down on anti-government people. Hmmm.

Also the police chief commissioner is from the Tang Clan (one of five ancient, powerful families from the New Territories who are frequently above the law) and they recently had a big wedding and got off with a verbal warning.
 
escargot said:
If you think their situation is bad, you will be horrified at what Jair Bolsonaro is doing about the virus in Brazil. He is going the right way to get everyone killed.
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Jair Bolsonaro seems intent on destroying Brazil. It is allegedly organized Crime that is enforcing the curfew, which means Brazil may as well be a failed state.
 
Cochise said:
Is it fake though? I thought it was being seriously tested as a possible interim solution before a full vaccine is available. It has the benefit of already being an approved drug for its intended purposes, although trials are obviously needed to find out if it actually works for this purpose.
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To suggest that any of the chloroquine family of drugs is 100% effective is false. They are a lot better than nothing tho, while we await the vaccine roll-out. It is likely that the worst will be over by the time the vaccine comes out, but those people in the high risk categories would do well to get it regardless.
 
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Naughty_Felid said:
Yes, you can differentiate between someone dying from the flu and someone dying of Corona. - Very simple swab tests.

Can some have co-infection of both flu and Covid 19? - yes probably but it looks extremely rare, the issue is that the easier flu test might stop people then testing for Covid so it may be under-reporting the actual cause of death being Covid.


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0299_article
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You can tell if someone has Covid-19 when they die. Of course you can't tell if the Covid-19 was the single cause of death or if the person might have passed away anyway from the flu or their underlying health problem. This i think is true of most 'causes of death' .

But I'm pretty sure the figures for deaths in Europe are reasonably accurate. They won't be 100% accurate. Few things are.
 
Naughty_Felid said:
Feel free to respond to the answers I tried to provide to your questions.
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What is there to add?

I asked a question, you gave an answer, I read it.

I'm still interested to see the regular flu stats, so if they are online and someone knows where then share the link?
 
AlchoPwn said:
Jair Bolsonaro seems intent on destroying Brazil. It is allegedly organized Crime that is enforcing the curfew, which means Brazil may as well be a failed state.
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And PM Johnson has been thanked for supporting his destruction of the Amazon. JB also said that Brazilians could swim in shit and remain healthy and as a trained athlete he was immune to disease.
 
GNC said:
Fill your boots:
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Relevant quote from that article:
"coronavirus is '10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu'."
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Thanks.

So, thus far from October 2019 to March 2020 a total of 59,000 people have died from the flu in the US.

The number being thrown around for coronavirus is 200,000. So, yes, almost four times worse. That said, if in summer 2019 we were told there is a virus coming that will kill 60,000 Americans in six months...

Will we now see greater measures each year to protect the vulnerable from regular flu?
 
I don't think we're that far ahead, that's a question for your doctor. I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one on television.
 
Cases seem to have slowed up in Iran. Or is it just the true numbers not being circulated?
 
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