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Lord_Flashheart said:His walk was not uncharacteristic
Routine. Makes easy work for assassins.
Lord_Flashheart said:His walk was not uncharacteristic
news.bbc.co.ukMr Blair's spokesman said: "The prime minister is obviously very distressed for the family.
"If it is Dr Kelly's body, the Ministry of Defence will hold an independent judicial inquiry into the circumstances leading up to his death."
Special report: politics and Iraq | Special report: politics and the media
The vendetta's victim
Crisis for the Blair government
Michael White, Richard Norton-Taylor, Steven Morris and Matt Wells
Saturday July 19, 2003
The Guardian
Tony Blair's government was last night shaken to its foundations by the apparent suicide of Dr David Kelly, the backroom Whitehall scientist caught in the lethal crossfire over weapons of mass destruction between Downing Street and the BBC.
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The manner of his death remained unknown last night but it is understood investigators quickly ruled out natural causes.
Suggestions that Dr Kelly, a father of three daughters, suffered shotgun injuries or that a rope was found at the scene were discounted by police sources. No suicide note has been found at the scene or at Dr Kelly's home.
Police sources said the family did not report the disappearance more quickly because they were so sure that, despite the pressure he was under, he would not be driven to take his own life (my emphasis).
However, when Dr Kelly's wife, Janice, spoke to a close friend of her husband's, the television journalist and author Tom Mangold, before the body was found she conceded that her husband had been furious at how he had been treated over the last two weeks. Mangold said: "She said he was very stressed and unhappy about what had happened. This was really not the kind of world he wanted to live in."
She told Mangold her husband had felt physically sick after he left the foreign affairs committee.
If this was just another 'death of a bloke' story it would be of little general interest - it is because of its connection to the Iraq enquiry that it is given such prominence.mejane said:Can we put the theories concerning Dr Kelly's life and death onto a new thread, please?
DT LinkSenior MPs said Alastair Campbell, the Prime Minister's communications director, and Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, could be forced to resign if the Government was blamed for forcing Dr Kelly into the spotlight.
From ITV newsHis close friend Tom Mangold cast fresh doubt about the accusations made by Andrew Gilligan.
Mr Mangold said the scientist had come to believe he was the source but had not mentioned a key claim used in the report.
"I guess he couldn't cope with the firestorm that developed after he gave what he regarded as a routine briefing to Gilligan," he said.
"He was a man whose brain could boil water, he used words with tremendous precision, he used them as weapons," he said.
"If Dave Kelly is dead, he is dead because of something that happened in journalism which means that we all have to look to our consciences."
Mr Mangold also revealed that Dr Kelly, had talked to a BBC Ten O'Clock News journalist on the same day that he spoke to the radio reporter Andrew Gilligan.
Dr Kelly had admitted, under questioning by the foreign affairs select committee, that he had met Newsnight reporter Susan Watts as well as Andrew Gilligan - but this is the first time there has been any mention of a third BBC journalist being briefed by the microbiologist.
Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee Donald Anderson was asked if he thought the questioning of Dr Kelly had been too strong.
He said: "If it was strong, the criticisms appear to be more directed against the Ministry of Defence, rather than against him.
"It wasn't as if he could be seen as a victim in the corner, or a person against whom a complaint was being made. So I don't think the questioning was aggressive against him.
Mr Anderson said about Dr Kelly: "He struck me as very much an honourable man and fairly relaxed during the course of the hearing.
"The committee said on several occasions that he had acted in a honourable way and we were treating him a non aggressive way."
"I concede of course it was wholly outside his normal experience, therefore must have certainly been an ordeal for him.
"But remember, he had gone to his line management, he had said `I may be the person involved' and I'm sure that if the Ministry of Defence had done nothing about it and not made it public, the answer would have been subject to criticism at that time.
"When he'd made the confession that he may have been the person the Ministry then put out a press notice."
But he went out around 15:00, the search didn't begin until around midnight (according to the BBC coverage last night) and he wasn't found until 09:20 -nearly 9 and a half hours of searching to find him less than 5 miles from home in an area where he was known to go regularly when out for a walk? That seems a bit slow to me, even if the police do seem to have been quick off the mark in starting the search.Lord_Flashheart said:His walk was not uncharactaristc It was saying on the news earlier that he went for a walk regully before dinner and came back in time for tea thats what raised the alarm for his wife, there were only a few walks he could have done in the time in the local area, hence the fact that the police didn't take long to find him, he was in one of the first places they'd have looked.
I can't wait! [Yawn]...in January, what some prefer to call jointly the American CIA/Bush Crime Family, conducted a "black bag" job. They did a break-in and entry into the residence of Alan Greenspan, Commissar of the Federal Reserve, America's highly secretive PRIVATE central bank.
What all were they looking for? Among other things, they sought to retrieve, and keep from ever surfacing, a series of Federal Reserve wire transfer records, showing certain transactions done under the secret authorization code of Greenspan.
The dealings were several months previous. They show that George Herbert Walker Bush used the Carlyle Group to forward some sixteen Billion Dollars to British Prime Minister Tony Blair. Daddy Bush has been a senior paid consultant with Carlyle to, among others, the Bin Laden Group, the Saudi Family dominating several industries in Saudi and the Middle East, including construction. They are NOT actually on the outs with family member Osama, who they finance, also with members of the Saudi Royal Family, through a major bank in Saudi, and banks and financial entities worldwide, including the Dutch money laundry, Algemene Bank Nederland, now ABN-AMRO.
Here is the circuitous route the funds took
[1] The existence of the transactions, by themselves, sufficiently prove the prior planning jointly of White House occupant and resident George W. Bush financially bending Tony Blair. The upshot of it all, was to have Blair join with Dubya (said quickly Texas style) to seize eventually the Iraqi oilfields, for two purposes.
First, to use the oil treasure as collateral to underwrite the huge U.S. deficit, soon to be out-of-control. Thus laying the way for Dubya to push a huge tax cut for the one or two percent of Americans, the wealthiest in the U.S.
Second, to seek to prop up the Bank of England caught up on the wrong side of speculations in the Kuwaiti Dinar, a currency pegged to the so-called "U.S. Dollar", actually hot-air Federal Reserve Notes. And further, to seek to bail out the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the Chicago Board Options Exchange, and LIFFE, the International Financial Futures and Options Exchange in London.
To understand the route of the bribe to Blair and the route, some background is necessary. [2] Starting in the late 1980s and up to 1991, the highly mysterious espionage money laundry, BCCI, Bank of Credit and Commerce International, was later implicated in a scheme to bribe more than 25 per cent of both houses of Congress. More than 28 U.S. Senators and more than 108 Congressmen.
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And what is the possible fall-out from the full disclosure of the Bush to Blair bribery? The possible wreckage of the Chicago markets together with LIFFE, for openers. And a successful attack on the British Pound Sterling because of disclosures that the Bank of England, having gambled away their assets on Kuwaiti Dinar Derivatives, along with those exchanges, is insolvent and cannot any longer support the Pound in world currency markets.
Further, Blair would be open to criminal bribery prosecution together with charges against Daddy Bush and Dubya, of treason, international bribery, racketeering, and sundry other federal criminal offenses.
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Also, shown is the Bush Crime Family JOINT ACCOUNT with the Queen of England, at her PRIVATE bank, Coutts Bank London. In December 19, 2001, the London Financial Times reported that the Queen of England sent her top bank executive, Andrew Fisher, to be a top official of Carlyle Group. Bush/British Monarch account shows a transaction of ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS. The secret Federal Reserve wire transfer records, showing the secret authorization code of Alan Greenspan, are part of our website series.
So, will the latest secret Federal Reserve wire transfer records be posted? Wait and see.
[7] Furthermore, the Bush/Blair documents show that Tony Blair privately greatly profitted from arranging shipments to North Korea to enhance their nuclear capability. In that regard, he privately benefitted, as we mentioned in a previous part of this series, like Hillary Rodham Clinton, likewise implicated in privately profitting from shipments of nuclear items to North Korea. As to both Blair and Hillary, the shipments were reportedly made through Royal Jordanian Airlines. [As to Hillary and North Korea, we showed that document about a year ago on our Chicago public access Cable TV Program, "Broadsides"].
So, will the latest documents be posted? More coming. Stay tuned.
Police have confirmed a body found in Oxfordshire woodland is Dr David Kelly, as Tony Blair comes under intense pressure over his death.
A spokesman said a post-mortem revealed the death was caused by a cut to the left wrist and a knife was found nearby, along with a packet of painkillers.
The government will now hold an independent judicial inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the Iraq weapons expert's death.
Lord_Flashheart said:wheres Quincy when you nead him, eh?
So he popped a couple of codine (Since paracetamol and asprine's painkilling effects are mostly placebo after a few dozen doses) and slashed his wrist, once.A spokesman said a post-mortem revealed the death was caused by a cut to the left wrist and a knife was found nearby, along with a packet of painkillers.
As Tony Blair flew to Washington on Thursday for what should have been one of the high points of his political career, a human tragedy was unfolding in an Oxfordshire wood that could have untold consequences for his Government.
The 17 standing ovations the Prime Minister received from the joint session of Congress have been overshadowed by the biggest crisis to engulf him since he came to power six years ago.
The death of David Kelly links together all the main players in the weapons of mass destruction saga - Andrew Gilligan, the BBC journalist at the centre of the row; Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair's communications chief; Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary; and members of the Commons foreign affairs select committee, which has been investigating the way the Government handled intelligence material in the run-up to the Iraq war.
Any lingering hopes Mr Blair might have had that the WMD row would fade away during the Commons summer recess - which began yesterday - were dashed yesterday with the death of Dr Kelly.
The Government is now open to the potentially explosive charge that it deliberately used a civil servant in backing Mr Campbell in his row with the BBC as part of Mr Blair's efforts to counter allegations that he took the country into war on the basis of "dodgy" evidence. (My emphasis - ryn)
Mr Blair's decision to hold a judicial inquiry was inevitable. The political pressure for an independent inquiry had been growing for weeks at Westminster.
It would have been unstoppable after the tragic events yesterday. But he will face demands to broaden it to cover the whole WMD issue, not just the circumstances surrounding Dr Kelly's death. During the sultry days at Westminster over the past month there has been the unpleasant whiff of a political witch-hunt mounted by the Government.
It seemed that Mr Campbell was prepared to go to great lengths to counter the allegation that he and Mr Blair misled Parliament and the public over the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's WMD.
Mr Campbell's position could rapidly become untenable. The inquiry will have to get to the bottom of what role he may have played in throwing Dr Kelly to the wolves.
Leak inquiries are a common occurrence in government but the way Dr Kelly was "outed" as the prime suspect for the BBC's mole was unprecedented. Normally civil servants who leak are moved or sacked with no publicity - or prosecuted as was the case with Clive Ponting after the Falklands war.
But Dr Kelly was deliberately used as a pawn in a very bitter and high-profile battle between Mr Campbell and the BBC.
The moment Mr Hoon announced on July 8 that a weapons consultant had come forward and admitted an "unauthorised meeting", it was only a matter of time before his name became public.
Although Mr Hoon demanded that the BBC state whether or not he was Mr Gilligan's source, ministers and officials made clear in off-the-record briefings they were confident that he was to blame and they did not suspect anybody else.
The judge heading the inquiry will want to know how Dr Kelly's name leaked out. Mr Hoon could well take the rap and his position must be in question if the MoD is censured.
If the trail leads back to Downing Street, not just Mr Campbell's job will be on the line. Mr Blair's position could be called into question. Some Labour MPs are already suggesting he should step down for exaggerating the threat from Saddam's weapons.
The MPs on the foreign affairs committee will share some of the blame. They allowed themselves to be diverted from investigating the central issue of whether the intelligence information on Iraq before the war was deliberately hyped-up - or just plain wrong - into becoming participants in the Campbell-BBC battle. It was a sideshow that ended in tragedy.
As the committee split on party lines, it became clear that the Labour majority on the committee was acting politically to clear Mr Campbell of the charge that he had "sexed up" the dossier.
Gilligan compared the committee's hearing to a "hanging jury".
If that is what they appeared like to a hardened journalist, how must an unassuming civil servant unused to media pressure have felt? Although the committee criticised the way Dr Kelly had been treated by the Ministry of Defence - suggesting he was being used as a fall guy - he clearly found it a very painful experience.
The MPs concerned certainly enjoyed their five minutes of fame on national television as inquisitors in what Andrew Mackinlay (Lab, Thurrock) described aggresively as the "high court of Parliament".
Dr Kelly must also have known that his career was effectively over.
Although the Ministry of Defence denied yesterday that he had been threatened with dismissal, Adam Ingram, the armed forces minister, made clear earlier this week that he was still under a cloud.
Mr Ingram said if the BBC came forward and said Dr Kelly was not the source "that would then allow him to carry on with his career in the MoD".
The danger for Mr Blair is that the death of Dr Kelly has given fresh impetus to the row over WMD. The controversy was already causing huge damage to the Government's credibility.
The way Dr Kelly was exploited by Labour has also highlighted the way the Blair administration uses spin. If he is shown to be a casualty of the Government's media operation, the ramifications will be enormous for Mr Blair and the Labour Party.
Those working in the Westminster village have long known that in the shadows behind the "straight guy" image presented by Mr Blair is a ruthless spin machine headed by Mr Campbell. It was Labour's greatest asset. Now it could be Mr Blair's biggest liability.
Niles Calder said:If it's suicide it's the most unlikely one ever.
Hilda Murrell for one.Captain Chunk said:...Can anyone give me a single incident in, say, the past 100 years, where there is a credible suggestion that the British government ordered the illegal execution of a civilian within its own country in order to keep them quiet? ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3079775.stmMr Ritter, who lead the UN inspection team up until it left Iraq in 1998, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that Dr Kelly was somebody who had doggedly pursued the Iraqi biological weapons program and who had never caved in to pressure.
He said: "My experience of David is that he is a man who does his job and does it quietly.
"While a gentle man, he had a core of steel in him. I've seen him interact with Iraq government officials; there was no give in this man."