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The Death Of Dr David Kelly

It was the government who 'leaked' Kelly's name as the source for the BBC 'sexed-up dossier' story. Maybe Blair did not actually press the microphone button on his desk and hiss "Kill heem..!" but just said in more general terms "We've got to get this sorted". Then his surprise at how it was sorted might have been genuine...

But don't forget he's a trained barrister, and all barristers are actors, performing for the courtroom. Remember all that smarmy sincerity when he told us WoMD would be found in Iraq?

Any surprise and shock he felt at hearing of Kelly's death is more likely due to fear that it would be pinned on him. When you've started a war leading to thousands of deaths, the death of one more man counts for little in itself.
 
danny_cogdon said:
Can anyone remember the look on his face when he did his first reaction to press questions about the death? This was just the news of the death, not later questions about the suspicious circumstances.

The man was in shock! He could hardly speak. The king of spin would certainly have a well rehearsed soundbite at the ready if he knew anything about it beforehand.

His acting lessons obviously paid off ;)
 
rynner2 said:
It was the government who 'leaked' Kelly's name as the source for the BBC 'sexed-up dossier' story. Maybe Blair did not actually press the microphone button on his desk and hiss "Kill heem..!" but just said in more general terms "We've got to get this sorted". Then his surprise at how it was sorted might have been genuine...

But don't forget he's a trained barrister, and all barristers are actors, performing for the courtroom. Remember all that smarmy sincerity when he told us WoMD would be found in Iraq?

Any surprise and shock he felt at hearing of Kelly's death is more likely due to fear that it would be pinned on him. When you've started a war leading to thousands of deaths, the death of one more man counts for little in itself.
Thats my point exactly. He was surprised. He knew nothing of it until the deed and then he realised he had a masssive cover-up to orchestrate.
 
Did Blair ever say, perhaps in passing, 'Who will rid me of this troublesome expert?'

No wonder he turned to Roman Catholicism.
 
Pietro_Mercurios said:
Did Blair ever say, perhaps in passing, 'Who will rid me of this troublesome expert?'

No wonder he turned to Roman Catholicism.

Indeed. The RCC allows for mental reservations and double effect. The Jesuits have a Theology all of its own on this, hence Jesuitical distinction.
 
Murun said:
McAvennie_ said:
So I will have to live to be 100 to finally hear how Blair and his cronies had Dr Kelly bumped off. Outrageous.
Yup, I'll be 101 coming 102...highly unlikely we'll ever know. Unless ther'e s revolution of course lol :)

I'll be 120, so I'm banking on the Revolution.
 
I can find nothing on the BBC News website about "David Kelly post mortem to be kept secret for 70 years as doctors accuse Lord Hutton of concealing vital information"

Have they been gagged?
 
bazizmaduno said:
I can find nothing on the BBC News website about "David Kelly post mortem to be kept secret for 70 years as doctors accuse Lord Hutton of concealing vital information"

Have they been gagged?
Not entirely. The last relevent story I can find was this (5.12.2009.)
Doctors demand formal inquest for Dr David Kelly

Six doctors are taking legal action to demand a formal inquest into the death of government scientist Dr David Kelly.

...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8397625.stm
 
The Guardian has picked up the story:

Hutton inquiry closed David Kelly medical reports for 70 years
• Doctors trying to see files consider legal challenge
• Doubt grows over suicide verdict on Iraq expert
Afua Hirsch, Legal affairs correspondent guardian.co.uk, Monday 25 January 2010 19.57 GMT

Lord Hutton's decision to classify documents about the death of Dr David Kelly is likely to face a legal challenge amid claims by experts that there are increasing grounds to question the inquiry's verdict of suicide.

The Hutton inquiry, which reported in 2004 that Kelly's death was suicide after he cut an artery in his wrist, has come under scrutiny from doctors who claim the medical account is improbable.

Five doctors who made an application to the Oxford coroner to have the inquest reopened have been told Lord Hutton made a ruling in 2003 to keep medical reports and photographs closed for 70 years. "This is a revelation," said Michael Powers QC, a former assistant coroner and expert in coronial law. "I can't think of anything that would justify these documents being treated any differently."

The doctors are trauma surgeon David Halpin, epidemiologist Andrew Rouse, surgeon Martin Birnstingl, radiologist Stephen Frost and Chris Burns-Cox, who specialises in internal general medicine. They applied for the documents with a view to applying to the attorney general to have the inquest reopened.

"We hope to get more materials from the coroner, examine those, and in the light of those materials make submissions", said Powers, who is closely involved in the case, although not party to the legal proceedings.

But a response from the coroner's legal advisers rejected the doctors' request, and revealed that the documents had been classified. "It is truly remarkable that they should be kept secret for twice as long as the other documents. I'm sure that they will meet with their legal advisers and consider the most appropriate way to deal with this," Powers said.

The doctors are also thought to be considering a challenge to the coroner's decision not to allow them to be "interested parties". Freedom of information experts say there appear to be strong grounds for the legal challenges. "If Lord Hutton was not carrying out a statutory inquiry, I can't immediately see what power he had to order that these records be closed," said Maurice Frankel, Director of the Campaign for Freedom of Information.

News of the decision to keep the documents classified has come as a surprise to lawyers. There is no mention of the decision on the Hutton inquiry website.

"If a matter as sensitive as this was not made public … it raises questions as to what else was withheld," said Powers. "You can't help but suspect that the legal advisers to the Oxfordshire coroner disclosed it inadvertently, thinking that it was already known that this material was being kept secret for such a long period."


Questions have remained around the death of Dr Kelly after an initial inquest into his death was never resumed. Instead, the Hutton findings were said to be sufficient. But the inquiry applied a less stringent test than would have used in an inquest, where a coroner has to be sure "beyond reasonable doubt" that a person intended to kill themselves.

"There should be a full inquiry. We need a proper answer," said Powers. "The medical evidence doesn't add up. I have yet to meet a doctor that will say it was even possible, let alone likely."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... on-inquiry
 
bazizmaduno said:
I can find nothing on the BBC News website about "David Kelly post mortem to be kept secret for 70 years as doctors accuse Lord Hutton of concealing vital information"

Have they been gagged?

I have to say I found that a little odd too especially given that they did a Conspiracy Files episode on it and the BBC were a major part of the story.
 
And now...

Confidential documents on death of Dr David Kelly to be released
Frances Gibb, Legal Editor

Confidential medical evidence about the death of David Kelly, the expert in biological warfare, is to be released.

Lord Hutton, the retired law lord who chaired the inquiry into Dr Kelly’s death, has indicated that he will release to a group of doctors the medical records and results of the post-mortem examination that have to date remained unpublished. His 2004 report, commissioned by Tony Blair, concluded that Dr Kelly killed himself by cutting his wrist with a blunt gardening knife.

It was reported at the weekend that the medical reports including the post-mortem examination findings by Dr Nicholas Hunt, a pathologist, and also photographs of Dr Kelly’s body, are to remain classified for 70 years.

There is also a 30-year ban on publication of records provided to the inquiry but not produced in evidence.

The restrictions on publication were notified to a group of doctors who are challenging the Hutton verdict, arguing that the evidence does not support suicide.

A letter from a senior official at Oxfordshire Council said that Lord Hutton had requested that records provided to the inquiry that were not produced in evidence should be closed for 30 years and that the medical reports, including the post-mortem reports and photographs, be closed for 70 years.

But last night the doctors heard through their lawyers that the evidence would be released.

Last year they published a medical dossier saying that Lord Hutton’s conclusion that Dr Kelly killed himself by severing the ulnar artery in his left wrist after taking an overdose of prescription painkillers was untenable because the artery is small and hard to access; and severing it would not in any case cause death.

Dr Michael Powers, QC, one of the doctors involved, said last night: “Obviously we welcome this news that Lord Hutton is now going to disclose the medical reports and any post-mortem reports.

“We particularly welcome it if it can be assured that we shall have access to all the material, so that we consider it.

“Obviously as doctors we undertake not to make public anything that is of a personal or distressing nature to the family.”

Dr Kelly, a former UN weapons inspector, was exposed as the source of a BBC report questioning the government claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that could be deployed in 45 minutes.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 003861.ece
 
The thick plottens - I'll be staying tuned! 8)
 
wheres smoke theres a fire !

70 years, I'll be passing this on to my grandchildren to look into when I'm long gone,,,, ooops I have'nt got any :shock:

ah well
 
In the blizzard of Tweets on the Irag Inquiry one person asked: hans Blix didn't speak to some scientists because they feared they and their families would be killed. Did he talk to david kelly?

It's moving so fast i couldn't get a link...

edit: 14.49 - and it happens again and gets re-tweeted everywhere -
@carlmaxim "If Lord Goldsmith had ruled the war illegal he would have been found dead in the woods. #iraqinquiry #tonyblair #chilcot #iraq"
 
All this report business is taking to long :?

quick question time

why was there no fingerprints on his knife found at the scene ?

not his . no gloves in evidence,

why clean the knife he used ?
 
Jonfairway said:
All this report business is taking to long :?

quick question time

why was there no fingerprints on his knife found at the scene ?

not his . no gloves in evidence,

why clean the knife he used ?

I believe it was a wooden-handled knife. If it was exposed to any moisture it's possible that no fingerprints would be traceable. That's not to say it wasn't murder, but the lack of fingerprints alone doesn't rule out suicide.
 
Unless it was a flick knife, his prints would be on the blade to open it.

it was I beleive a small folding pen knife ?
 
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One like this
 
talking about lack of fingerprints

the dental records that vanaished them suddenly turned up, NO FINGERPRINTS at all

the letter from Mr Hatfield again NO FINGERPRINTS

:shock:

strange !

had all three been wiped clean of fingerprints ?
if so why?
 
Government climbdown over David Kelly post-mortem report
By Mail On Sunday Reporter
Last updated at 12:10 AM on 14th February 2010

The Government has backed down over a move which threatened to delay the release of the post-mortem of weapons inspector Dr David Kelly.

Last month Lord Hutton, who chaired the inquiry into Dr Kelly’s death in 2003, said he was happy for a group of doctors - challenging the official verdict that the scientist committed suicide - to see his medical records, including the post-mortem report and photographs.
The peer’s surprise decision came two days after The Mail on Sunday revealed that he had secretly ordered the documents to be barred from the public for 70 years.

The doctors then wrote to the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) asking to see the material. But they were told their request was being treated under the terms of the Freedom of Information (FoI) Act which contains several caveats giving the Government the right to refuse access to some official papers.

On Friday The Mail on Sunday contacted the MoJ to ask why the doctors’ request was being dealt with under the FoI Act and within hours lawyers acting for the doctors were told the department had changed its mind and would accept the request under normal terms.

...

Last night Dr Michael Powers QC, one of the doctors lobbying for an inquest, said: ‘This was a deliberate attempt at delay. If this evidence only confirms the cause of Dr Kelly’s death given at the Inquiry, why is the Government fearful of us seeing it?’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0fVYKW2rf
 
Just long enough to fabricate the documents !! to look the part

where are all the fingerprints ?

does everyone wear gloves ?
 
Shadow Justice Secretary backs call for inquiry into death of weapons inspector Dr David Kelly
By Miles Goslett
Last updated at 1:22 AM on 04th April 2010

A senior Conservative MP has signalled that the investigation into the death of Government weapons inspector Dr David Kelly should be reopened because the public ‘have not been reassured’ by the official verdict that he killed himself.
In a letter passed to The Mail on Sunday, Shadow Justice Secretary Dominic Grieve praises a group of doctors who are campaigning for a coroner’s inquest into Dr Kelly’s death. And he questions the judgment of Lord Hutton, who chaired the inquiry into the death.

Lord Hutton concluded that Dr Kelly committed suicide in July 2003 by severing an artery in his left wrist after overdosing on painkillers, but there has been much speculation about the circumstances.

Now the doctors say that the artery is too small and difficult to access and severing it could not have caused death.
Dr Kelly was found dead near his Oxfordshire home after being exposed as the source of a BBC news report questioning the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

In Mr Grieve’s letter, dated March 16, he writes: ‘I am aware of the work of the doctors’ group on challenging Lord Hutton’s findings. They have made an impressive and cogent case.’

The doctors spent more than a year compiling their own medical report and, in January, applied to the Ministry of Justice to see Dr Kelly’s post-mortem report and all associated medical and scientific records. So far the MoJ has not released them.

Mr Grieve adds: ‘This is something I would review if in Government as I am conscious this is a matter where the public have not been reassured that the Hutton Inquiry satisfactorily resolved the matter.’

Mr Grieve’s remarks, to Dr Michael Powers QC, an expert on coroners’ law, come two months after this newspaper revealed that Lord Hutton secretly ruled that evidence relating to the case, including Dr Kelly’s post-mortem report, should not be released for 70 years.
Within 48 hours of our report, Lord Hutton said he would be happy for the doctors to see the records, including photographs of Dr Kelly’s body, but still the information is being withheld.
When asked this weekend for his view on the MoJ’s delay in releasing the documents, Lord Hutton refused to comment.

Mr Grieve’s endorsement of the doctors’ campaign could pave the way for a full inquest into Dr Kelly’s death if the Tories win the General Election.
Dr Powers said: ‘Lord Hutton did not have the skills of a coroner in respect of the cause of death. It is highly improbable that Dr Kelly died from haemorrhage as Lord Hutton concluded.’
An MoJ spokesman said: ‘We will respond to the doctors’ request in due course.’


ead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0k80L5qTW
 
Somebody is stopped and searched by the police every 20 seconds in 'Big Brother' Britain, it was revealed last night.
More than nine out of every ten of those interrogated by officers are not even subsequently arrested, let alone charged.
Opposition parties say the revelation is yet more evidence of the Government's disregard for civil liberties and 'state knows best' attitude.
According to figures released by the Home Office yesterday, the use of each of the three main types of police stop and search powers is rocketing.
The statistics follow warnings that police are making unjustified stops to give the figures 'racial balance' and that suspects are being searched even though there is no evidence against them.
The biggest rise was in searches carried out because an officer believed a suspect may be about to commit an act of violence - up 182 per cent in a year, to 150,174.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ested.html

go figure the police are stopping people at an alarming rate

checking diesel all the time is probably alot of that !!!!
 
What has this to do with Dr. Kelly?

Are you on the wrong thread? :?
 
Too much sun. On the golf course. :lol:
 
escargot1 said:
Too much sun. On the golf course. :lol:
Yes, with no contrails to shade the sun, it is getting pretty intense... ;)
 
Tories ready to reopen Dr David Kelly suicide inquiry

By James Slack and Miles Goslett
Last updated at 11:59 PM on 4th June 2010


The investigation into the death of weapons inspector David Kelly is likely to be reopened, it has emerged.

The case has 'concerned' Attorney General Dominic Grieve and - as the highest ranking law officer in England - he is considering an inquiry to review the suicide finding, Whitehall sources say.

At the same time, Justice Secretary Ken Clarke is considering a request from campaigning doctors to release medical files relating to the death.

Lord Hutton, whose inquiry into the death was denounced as a whitewash, has indicated the papers should be kept secret for 70 years.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0pxDrqOar
 
Yes

But how can the magic bullet be in pristine condition on a stretcher ?

if it went through all that bone it could'nt be like new could it ?
 
Jonfairway said:
Yes

But how can the magic bullet be in pristine condition on a stretcher ?

if it went through all that bone it could'nt be like new could it ?

Are you suggesting he shot himself (as well as overdosing and cutting his wrist) or have you slipped into an alternative dimension where every conspiracy theory leads back to that chap on the grassy knoll?
 
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