The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Floyd1]

Water access in the Southwestern US:

Lots of people telling everyone to turn down their water usage, no one looking at the large industrial farming operations in the southwest that actually use most of the water. The industrial farms use their influence and money to keep it that way.

Farms need water to feed an ever growing population.

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

Every day I see trucks spewing smoke up and down our roads, as well as cars which need servicing, judging by the clouds they leave behind.
Then there are those who sit in their cars with the engine running, for hours, as they scream into their phones.
Or just warm up their engines in the morning for a good half an hour.
Yet none of them are ticketed for pollution - you might think this is nothing and does not contribute to our air quality, but when it is occurring daily, it has an impact.

 

[Floyd1]

Every day I see trucks spewing smoke up and down our roads, as well as cars which need servicing, judging by the clouds they leave behind.
Then there are those who sit in their cars with the engine running, for hours, as they scream into their phones.
Or just warm up their engines in the morning for a good half an hour.
Yet none of them are ticketed for pollution - you might think this is nothing and does not contribute to our air quality, but when it is occurring daily, it has an impact.

There was an item on the news here last night about the 'Volkswagon Scandal' seven years ago;

It was the scandal that shamed a global brand – so-called ‘dieselgate’ – which exposed Volkswagen for fitting devices to cheat emissions tests.

Now seven years later, this programme can exclusively reveal the dirty legacy lives on – with almost two-and-a-half million diesel cars of different brands still on UK roads with emissions two to four times the legal limits.

Today, the environmental law charity Client Earth put in legal complaints to the government calling on it to foot the bill and fix the problems and stop us all from breathing in deadly air.

https://www.channel4.com/news/revea...for-failing-to-take-action-over-dirty-diesels

 

[Cochise]

I think it's wise to bear in mind that every living organism affects the environment, usually in multiple ways. Trees may not move around but they can crack rocks and demolish your house - while at the same time replacing CO2 with oxygen.

 

[Trevp666]

those who sit in their cars with the engine running

(I guess ever-so-slightly off topic but...)
Yeah, that got outlawed here in the UK some time ago.

Engine idling law
Is it illegal to let your engine idle when parked?
Rule 123 of The Highway Code looks at ‘The Driver and the Environment’. It states that drivers must not leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while the vehicle is stationary on a public road.

Can I get a fine for idling?
Some local authorities charge a £20 fixed penalty notice (FPN) for emission offences and stationary idling under The Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) (Fixed Penalty) (England) Regulations 2002. There’s potential for the fine to increase to £801.
However, it’s important to note that fines are imposed only if a motorist refuses to switch off their engine when asked to do so by an authorised person.

Is it illegal to engine idle outside schools?
Local authorities have the power to issue £20 fixed penalties for engine idling if a motorist refuses to switch off their engine, regardless of the location.
(...)
(RAC research found that 26% of those caught idling are spotted doing so outside schools.)
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/idling/

 

[kamalktk]

Farms need water to feed an ever growing population.

And those people need water to drink.

They could try not farming in a desert.

 

[Endlessly Amazed]

Agreed.

That doesn't mean that he (and the other 'celebrities') have to, or indeed should do though, especially when they continually talk about climate change and how we are causing it.

Agreed.

Farms need water to feed an ever growing population.

My UK Fortean friends could not possibly know about this:

Farming in the US desert was/is only profitable because of governmental intervention in paying to develop the infrastructure in WW11 for cotton production for tires. Cotton is water intensive. And continuing with price breaks and subsidies to major agriculture companies and cattle ranchers. The water table where I live has dropped by more than 5000 feet since the 1940s. Subsidence problems. Increasing problems with agriculture chemicals (pesticides, fertilizers, etc.) in the remaining water table which is used as a water source for the cities.

My Federal government subsidies rice production in the desert. Alfalfa and non-legume hay, both high-water usage crops, are grown to feed the dairy cows which are in Arizona because the climate makes it easy to maintain them. WTF. WTF!

All of this for profit while the local Indian reservations are cut off from water to develop their own land.

Water rights have become a speculative market commodity in the SW. We have not ever honored our treaty with Mexico about the Colorado river water division, and the different SW states have been suing each other over Colorado river water since the 1970s.

Some places in Arizona which cultivate silage for cattle have naturally only 6 inches of rainfall a year. May I be allowed to write WTF one more time?

 

[Kondoru]

Maybe use less cotton?

(How does it compare to nylon???)

 

[Floyd1]

My UK Fortean friends could not possibly know about this:

Farming in the US desert was/is only profitable because of governmental intervention in paying to develop the infrastructure in WW11 for cotton production for tires.

Cotton? Try rubber. Much more grippy.

 

[Floyd1]

And those people need water to drink.

They could try not farming in a desert.

The Israelis have managed it.

 

[flannel]

The water table where I live has dropped by more than 5000 feet since the 1940s.

A mile, wow!
Any idea what depth is left to plunder?

 

[Endlessly Amazed]

A mile, wow!
Any idea what depth is left to plunder?

It depends on the geology, and where I live, Arizona, it is complicated. I live in Maricopa county, and it has underground rivers only a few feet below the surface, and different aquifer systems of different depths. Some commercial wells in farm areas are far deeper than 5000 feet.

We shall plunder to China. AARRR!

 

[RaM]

When asked one woman said her work was much to important to cut down on air travel.

 

[Mythopoeika]

Just parking this here. Animated film that brings together several conspiracies:

 

[Yithian]

The lengthy tangent about which celebrities are hypocrites and whether it matters has been relocated here:

https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...relocated-tangents.65972/page-33#post-2250386

It's completely unsatisfactory because it 'crosses over' with another tangent, but there's nothing I can do to improve matters.

 

[flannel]

Interesting alternative theory regarding ice ages and CO2: https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/46277/

Some quotes:

CO2 is good for you, and it’s going to get real cold not too long from now

It is speculated that orbital cycles and CO2 are involved, but it has never been explained why some of these orbital cycles produce ice-ages and interglacials, while others do nothing at all.. The intriguing answer, .... (is) humble dust falling on ice sheets and darkening their surface. However, why would dust exhibit this strange intermittency, only arriving in vast dust clouds every 80 or 100 kyr.

But due to oceanic cooling during ice ages, and therefore oceanic absorption of CO2, atmospheric concentrations of CO2 are drawn down during the ice age and eventually reach as low as 180 ppm. This is dangerously low for much of the world’s plant life. The result of this low CO2 is that the high altitude Gobi Plateau turns into a CO2 desert.

Thus the delightful conclusion to this study, is that during ice-ages it is low atmospheric CO2 concentrations that cause global warming.

 

[Coal]

Just parking this here. Animated film that brings together several conspiracies:

"The movie 1984 never existed". Heh.

 

[Trevp666]

Excellent report out today on the role of undersea volcanoes.

Scientists Uncover the Role of Undersea Volcanoes in Climate Change – But the Media Don’t Want to Know.
(...) A group of oceanographers led by the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego identified in total 19,325 new volcanoes, or seamounts, to add to the existing known total of 24,643.
(...) Erupting volcanoes under the sea produce huge quantities of carbon dioxide and must play a part in pushing warming water and nutrients around the surrounding areas, with possible effects on currents and surrounding marine life. Some scientists believe that they play an important part in ocean mixing and have a role in determining long-term climate.
report by Chris Morrison

 

[Mythopoeika]

Scientists Uncover the Role of Undersea Volcanoes in Climate Change – But the Media Don’t Want to Know.

Fancy that.

 

[ramonmercado]

Fancy that.

Aquaman is facing protests because he ignored it.

 

[Ascalon]

Excellent report out today on the role of undersea volcanoes.

Scientists Uncover the Role of Undersea Volcanoes in Climate Change – But the Media Don’t Want to Know.
(...) A group of oceanographers led by the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego identified in total 19,325 new volcanoes, or seamounts, to add to the existing known total of 24,643.
(...) Erupting volcanoes under the sea produce huge quantities of carbon dioxide and must play a part in pushing warming water and nutrients around the surrounding areas, with possible effects on currents and surrounding marine life. Some scientists believe that they play an important part in ocean mixing and have a role in determining long-term climate.
report by Chris Morrison

OK, so it is merely coincidence that recent outpourings from marine volcanos has overlapped with the Anthropocene era, and then only noticeably since the Industrial Age?

Intriguing.

 

[Mythopoeika]

OK, so it is merely coincidence that recent outpourings from marine volcanos has overlapped with the Anthropocene era, and then only noticeably since the Industrial Age?

Intriguing.

Do you think humans caused these volcanoes, somehow?

 

[Ascalon]

Do you think humans caused these volcanoes, somehow?

Do you think the volcanoes have impeccable timing?

 

[JahaRa]

Farms need water to feed an ever growing population.

But the large industrial operations are killing the small local farmers, who now cannot farm unless they can afford to drill a well. So lots of families who used to earn a living as farmers are out of work, while thier fields lay fallow and weed ridden.

 

[JahaRa]

Every day I see trucks spewing smoke up and down our roads, as well as cars which need servicing, judging by the clouds they leave behind.
Then there are those who sit in their cars with the engine running, for hours, as they scream into their phones.
Or just warm up their engines in the morning for a good half an hour.
Yet none of them are ticketed for pollution - you might think this is nothing and does not contribute to our air quality, but when it is occurring daily, it has an impact.

How about sitting in a drive through for 20 minutes with the engine running. You could park, go inside, get your food and be on your way in less than 20 minutes.

 

[Mythopoeika]

Do you think the volcanoes have impeccable timing?

They do! It's just amazing.

 

[Ascalon]

They do! It's just amazing.

That's the thing with geology — if you wait long enough...

 

[Trevp666]

recent outpourings from marine volcanos

It's not 'recent outpourings', it's recent discovery and observation. We know more about the surface of the moon than we do about the ocean beds. The undersea volcanic activity would have been going on, more or less, continuously for thousand upon thousands of years.
Just because humans hadn't found them doesn't mean they weren't there. And there will be plenty more to be found too.

 

[hunck]

Excellent report out today on the role of undersea volcanoes.

Scientists Uncover the Role of Undersea Volcanoes in Climate Change – But the Media Don’t Want to Know.
(...) A group of oceanographers led by the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego identified in total 19,325 new volcanoes, or seamounts, to add to the existing known total of 24,643.
(...) Erupting volcanoes under the sea produce huge quantities of carbon dioxide and must play a part in pushing warming water and nutrients around the surrounding areas, with possible effects on currents and surrounding marine life. Some scientists believe that they play an important part in ocean mixing and have a role in determining long-term climate.
report by Chris Morrison

Still reading the Daily Sceptic eh Trev?

This from NASA:

Volcanic eruptions are often discussed in relation to climate change because they release CO2 (and other gases) into our atmosphere.

However, human contributions to the carbon cycle are more than 100 times those from all the volcanoes in the world - combined.
In comparison, while volcanic eruptions do cause an increase in atmospheric CO2, human activities emit a Mount St. Helens-sized eruption of CO2 every 2.5 hours and a Mount Pinatubo-sized eruption of CO2 twice daily.

Essentially, CO2 emissions from human activities dwarf those of volcanoes.

Climate scientists bring up volcanic eruptions to better understand and explain short periods of cooling in our planet’s past. Every few decades or so, there is a volcanic eruption (e.g., Mount Pinatubo, El Chichón) that throws out a tremendous number of particles and other gases. These will effectively shield us enough from the Sun to lead to a short-lived global cooling period. The particles and gases typically dissipate after about 1 to 2 years, but the effect is nearly global.

Comparatively speaking, greenhouse gas warming coming from human activities (primarily driven by the human burning of fossil fuels) will endure for millennia, even longer than nuclear waste.

Unless these discoveries are newly erupting they’re just part of the background volcanic activity that’s been going on forever. They were there emitting CO2 before discovery. The article can be summed up as ‘New Undersea Volcanos Found Due To Improved Mapping’. Bravo but nothing more. He doesn’t even claim volcanic emissions are increasing & if you look it up on institutions which study this, none of them say they are.

If you think NASA are either lying or wrong & prefer to take the daily sceptic opinion it’s up to you. Do you think NASA are deluded or part of the Great Swindle?

 

[Ascalon]

It's not 'recent outpourings', it's recent discovery and observation. We know more about the surface of the moon than we do about the ocean beds. The undersea volcanic activity would have been going on, more or less, continuously for thousand upon thousands of years.
Just because humans hadn't found them doesn't mean they weren't there. And there will be plenty more to be found too.

I'm not in the slightest disagreeing with your point. My point is that the effect of these things has been there in the background all the time and matters not one jot in relation to what human activity has done in recent times.

The current models worked from a basis of a certain level of CO2 and other gases in the atmosphere, and then what we did on top.

What proportion of the existing levels came from subsea volcanoes is somewhat immaterial — it's incidence was accounted for even if not its source.