The Ouija Board

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Nice to see ideomotor phenomenon proved beyond doubt for Ouija boards... but hadn't this been done already? I'm sure I've read that explanation before.
 

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Nice to see ideomotor phenomenon proved beyond doubt for Ouija boards... but hadn't this been done already? I'm sure I've read that explanation before.
So, those Christians who play with ouija boards then lose their sh** and think Beelzebub is after their souls... ideomotor phenomenon says it is all just their own subconscious? That means they were already possessed by the devil!
 
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I don't think there's ever been much doubt about the ideomotor effect being implicted in the behaviour of ouija boards, planchettes and improvised variations upon these devices, but does that prove beyond doubt that there might not be something else going on under certain circumstances? Cf. water divining / dowsing.

I'm not saying I personally believe there is (actually I think dowsing is a different matter) and how a discarnate entity might interface with people's nervous systems I've no idea but y'know; 'absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence'...
 
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What about the paranormal activity that's suppose to have happened? Is everyone lying?
 

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What about the paranormal activity that's suppose to have happened? Is everyone lying?
Just because you believe something supernatural doesn't mean you're lying. It might mean you're mistaken, or have made yourself susceptible to suggestion. Or that weird shit does happen and has a twisted sense of humour.
 

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I posted recently about a paranormal investigator who places all ghostly happenings into 3 categories; Hauntings (residual replay where no interaction in possible), Ghost (active entity who can be communicated with and is aware of our presence) and Psychic (our own psychic energies manifesting either in the physical world i.e. poltergeists or just in our minds). I like it. It's neat and all encompassing. Not sure I buy it but it works.

So, given this hypothesis then it "might" be possible (with a huge emphasis on might) that using a Ouija board acts to focus our own inherant psychic energies. By that I mean that the board itself is harmless and cannot be used to communicate with the dead. I have always said so. However, the act of using it, or indeed acting out some other ritual, may allow access to our energies or allow them to focus.

This could then manifest something physical (movement of an object, poltergeist activity) or something more internal (visions, noises, voices etc). Even witnessed by several people who have become "in tune".

This is all wild speculation (both on the reserachers part and mine) but I have also wondered over some of the physical evidence surrounding Ouija boards. The participants unwittingly control the glass on a subconscious level but, if what people claim is true (that they have witnessed other phenomenon; I've never seen any photographs or films - it's all anecdotal) then there must be a reason for that and their own psychic energy creating something seems slightly more plausible to me than dear old departed Aunt Mable coming back to throw a whisky glass around.
 

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Doesn't even need to be psychic - the subconscious can be powerful at times, especially when you're at prime suggestibility. The fact that Ouija boards started out as a parlour game is significant, I think - was anybody going on about psychic powers back then? I doubt it. It was simply one of those tricks to make you go, "fancy that!" like "pick a card and I'll tell you what it is", that sort of thing.
 

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Doesn't even need to be psychic - the subconscious can be powerful at times, especially when you're at prime suggestibility.
Agreed ... An apparent coordination between actions of the operators (pointer-movers) interpreted as a coherent message means nothing with respect to 'psychic' manifestations or powers unless you ascribe them to the operators or the results.


The fact that Ouija boards started out as a parlour game is significant, I think - was anybody going on about psychic powers back then? I doubt it. It was simply one of those tricks to make you go, "fancy that!" like "pick a card and I'll tell you what it is", that sort of thing.
The patented Ouija board was indeed marketed as a game or pastime. However, 'talking boards' had been widely employed in spiritualist circles and as communication aids for the mute prior to Ouija's arrival. Certain divination aids are analogous to talking boards as well.

Ouija was adopted, and eventually co-opted, by folks interested in spiritualism, psychic matters, and divination within the following decades (in the early part of the 20th century). These applications weren't part and parcel of the original inventor's specification for the board's intended usage - or at least he hadn't emphasized them.

It's never been clear to me whether the inventor (Elijah Bond) really considered Ouija a parlor game device versus a way to formally 'own' and commercialize something he'd discovered spiritualists sometimes used. Did spiritualist practices inspire Bond to deliberately devise, patent, and market a tool they might buy, or did the spiritualist / psychic angle get projected onto the Ouija later?

In general, the evidence indicates the latter interpretation (spiritualist / psychic devotees adopted Bond's game). Whether Bond foresaw this - and perhaps was banking on it - is still a mystery to me.
 

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Doesn't even need to be psychic - the subconscious can be powerful at times, especially when you're at prime suggestibility.
Agreed. However, I was referring to collective experiences apart from the planchette/glass moving, such as objects levitating with multiple witnesses, shadow figures etc. By psychic energy, the author I mentioned meant a natural power of the mind which he just coined as psychic energy. The abiity of the mind to manifest thoughts in the physical world. Thus one or more people creating an actual physical event as oppossed to just a mass hallucination.

As I mentioned, I am a strong disbeliever of spirit communication, Ouija borads, seance and spiritism. I am just putting forth a hypothesis I read and that the ritual and mystique surrounding the board, the focused attention and loaded atmosphere being a trigger.
 

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Thats why you will never catch me using one, you never know what might happen. And if I had to be in a place with friends who used one then you would get me wearing silver jewellry and sprinkling salt round everyone in a circle.

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I tried one alone at midnight on halloween......still nothing! story of my life :doh:
 

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Surely it has to be done with at least 2 people, otherwise there's little doubt you've moved it yourself.
If the scientific study is accurate, there's little doubt you moved it yourself anyway.
 

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The late famous astrologer and 'Seeress of Washington' Jeane Dixon (she of the 'Jeane Dixon effect', where wrong prophecies are forgotten and only correct ones remembered) was observed to use a ouija board alone.

She made a fortune let's not knock it! :D
 

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Oh...and I thought she told fortunes...I can see what's happened there.
Heh, she made a fortune by making up fortunes.

Dixon was famous for apparently predicting the JFK assassination. She didn't, but was able to pretend she did because, she reckoned, nobody would print such a prediction before it happened. Her final words just before dying of a heart attack were 'I knew this would happen.'
 

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Truth is personal. It's not my business to go around preventing other people from using Ouija boards if they wish, but I know I personally have a revulsion for them at a gut instinct level. Not dissimilar to my wife's aversion to scallops.
Exactly.
Just as I scared myself back in junior school, even though I'm much older and, hopefully, wiser now, I still reckon that something feels very "wrong" about using a Ouija board.
 
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Truth is personal. It's not my business to go around preventing other people from using Ouija boards if they wish, but I know I personally have a revulsion for them at a gut instinct level. Not dissimilar to my wife's aversion to scallops.
Scallops? Get thee to a divorce court. They are one of life's pleasures. I do hope you get to indulge once in a while (if they're to your liking)?
 

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Truth is personal. It's not my business to go around preventing other people from using Ouija boards if they wish, but I know I personally have a revulsion for them at a gut instinct level. Not dissimilar to my wife's aversion to scallops.
I'm more or less on the same page, though "revulsion" is a little strong for my reaction. I wouldn't want to use one, less because I thought "something" might "happen", more that it's easy to scare yourself and you might scare yourself in a way that isn't fun.
 

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Scallops? Get thee to a divorce court. They are one of life's pleasures. I do hope you get to indulge once in a while (if they're to your liking)?
Too late for that. She went off to discover the eternal truth (or lack of) 9 years ago. As will we all, in due course. But I would never have divorced her over scallops :)
 

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Tom Blazak

When I was 14 years of age, me and some of my friends had a sleepover and as you do at that age we decided it would be a fun idea to play with a ouija board. We played with it for an hour maybe two before getting bored...

original link containing rest of story is now inactive - sorry... stu
The Ouijaboard must be combined with other methods to operate.
 
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