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The Thread Of Sherlock Holmes

Stormkhan said:
'Course you can, yer maj! Can't all like Holmes, can we?
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Thankyou: i thought I might get atacked by people in dearstalkers with twirly pipes...
 
The Virgin Queen said:
Can I admit that I find the stories rather boaring?
sorry :(
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You could say more. I certainly wish you'd say more. Just saying you found them boring is... well... shall we say 'not quite as interesting' as you telling us 'why' you found them boring ;) which ones did you read, for example? What was it about the story you read that you found so 'boring' (or stories, as your initial statement appears to imply you gave it a fair chance).
The Virgin Queen said:
thought I might get atacked by people in dearstalkers with twirly pipes...
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you thought or you hoped? ;)
 
Could be worse.

You could've been attacked by stalking pipes and curly dears!

"Good lord, Holmes! How d'you know so much about his digestive system?"
"Alimentary, my dear Watson!"
 
Stormkhan said:
"Good lord, Holmes! How d'you know so much about his digestive system?"
"Alimentary, my dear Watson!"
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"Dear lord Holmes, huge fruit impecably dressed"

"Lemon Gentry, my dear Watson"
 
"What d'you think of that Mary Mary, Holmes?"
"Quite contrary, my dear Watson!"
 
I liked The Gift because not only was it a good film, but she also got her breasts out.

Oh, wait...Sherlock, not Katie...
 
off track

theres a pc game out called "the case of the earring"(?) written by a holmes fan/historian(?).

looks interesting tho
 
Whistling Jack said:
What are peoples' opinions of the forthcoming Fry and Laurie series..?
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Wow I loved Stephen Fry in 'Wilde' and his little part in 'Longitude' was totally cool! But isn't he a little...um, generously proportioned?
 
By 'dearstalkers' did you mean old dearstalkers? :lol:
 
Watched "Sherlock Holmes and the Case of The Silk Stocking" last night. Mildly entertaining, with Rupert Everett looking like a pouting and puzzled Holmes. In the one adventure, he's puffing on opium, jacking up on his coke and practically chain smoking fags. He has a bit of a play on his violin, manages to upset everyone from witnesses to victims, dresses up in an unconvincing disguise and is ordering Inspector Lestrade and Great Scotland Yard around as if he was the King himself. He's fingerprinting absolutely everyone, jumping rooftops in an almost continuous fog and allows at least one young lady, acting as 'bait', to be abducted and murdered!

Watson get's off lightly by marrying an American psychologist who gives a copy of Kraft-Ebbings textbook to Holmes. Egad! The Ladybird Book of Psycho-sexual disorders!

Someone should check Conan-Doyles grave. He'd be drilling his way to Australia by now!
 
I didn't mind Rupert Everett's Holmes, but why did they have to stick him in yet another serial killer storyline? It's such a cliché now. Why couldn't we see the case of the Giant Rat of Sumatra if they wanted to make up something new?
 
I thought Everett portrayed him rather well along side Hart's enjoyable Watson (though his Watson was better played in the not very good baskerville of a couple of years ago). The story played out like a mid season filler, and followed an unfullfilled path that had clearly been abandoned mid draft with regard to 'bonding'. The culprit was a surprising cliche, which included a rather messy contrivence that even I was surprised Holmes hadn't spotted.

Not bad, but not great.
 
How teeth-grinding is the silly pun of a foot-fetishist being a footman? Hart did play Watson well in "The Hound..." but his moustache in this one was a tad on the obviously fake side.
 
Didn't like Everett as Holmes, too much gazing soulfully around whilst ingesting narcotic substances . . .

Carole
 
I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Tom Baker as Holmes a while back.

Actually, I'm not all that surprised..

My abiding favourite rendition of the Hound remains Peter Cook and Dudley Moore: Holmes a study of indolence*, Watson wonderfully histrionic with a high-pitched Swansea accent ("'allo 'olmes!"), and the hound itself a chiuaua with a megaphone strapped to it's head. And Milligan as the local Plod.

* as he is supposed to be - sample line from "The Man with the Twisted Lip", when asked by local bemused copper how Holmes had solved the case, Holmes replied: "I reached this one by sitting upon five pillows and consuming an ounce of shag."

It's for this reason Everett didn't really do it for me - far too active.
 
Ah, Stu - another afficionado of one of the silliest but fun versions! The joys of Sherlock's mum calling him Shirl! Without A Clue (Ben Kingsley and Michael Caine) is quite good too.

I haven't yet seen the Tom Baker version. I've got yer Christopher Lee's, yer Ian Richardsons and a tv copy of the abysmal Charlton Heston (I wouldn't buy a pre-recorded copy of it). However, I'd never disgrace my shelf with any copy of the Rathbone/Bruce abominations. Basil Rathbone was a good actor, looked the part ... but the whole series of black-and-white bollox is too much for my sensibilities!
 
The Rathbone series always reminds me of Xmas holidays telly when I was but a nipper, so I get all nostalgic when I watch them (ditto Flash Gordon with Buster Crabbe :)).

I was trying to remember who played Sir Henry Baskerville in the Cook and Moore version - it was Kenneth Williams! MATRON!
 
Rupert Everett is just too much of an effete pansy and a junky to play Holmes. Rathbone may have been gay, but by Jove! He knew about British pluck!

:lol:

I'm not surprised that Watson decided not to write up the 'Case of The Silk Stockings' for posterity. Crap. The very dark 'Murder Rooms' series and Jeremy Brett's Holmes were all far better.
 
I thought the dropping in of Von Kraft-Ebbing's Psychopathia Sexualis was very lumpen, as if someone like Holmes wouldn't have already got a copy of one of the most (in)famous and influential academic works of the period!
Bah!
That, and the whole 'twins' plot-twist stank. Not sure how deliberate the footman/foot fetishist thing was, but at least accuracy wise a footman in an upper-class London household would be in the position to serve all sorts of people and potential victims, especially during 'the Season', but they were too busy trying to shroud the culprit in mystery to emphsise that, which was a shame as the London Season was so integral to the setting. Then there was the problem of the rather nice flat that the twins seemed able to affort on a single footman's wage, which at the most would have been £50 a year!
Not inaccuracies that would bother most, I know, but irritating as hell for me.
Bah, again.
 
Lady Stella said:
Von Kraft-Ebbing's Psychopathia Sexualis /That, and the whole 'twins' plot-twist stank..
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The general but rather clumsily abandoned link was I think to do with when the twin clutches his leg because the other one gets shot in the leg. There was evidence of suggestion to do with one twins 'kicks' so to speak being experienced by the other even when out of the room but seemed partially abandoned, no doubt because of the offence such a portrayal most likely would have caused.

It lacked any sense of courage, but then it's an easy show to attack given who the protagonists are.
 
the whole 'twins' plot-twist stank.
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Yup.

The crazy psycho - sexual plot just didn't work for me. It was a lame and lousy, one dimensional story. From midway through the only question was how why the finger print didn't fit. There was nothing else. The outcome was trite and clumsy.

It would have been lame as an episode of (the atrocious) 'Cracker' (which it vaguely resembled) - and it worked no better when set in Edwardian London (references to the King). Nor would it have worked in any other time - say, transposed as a new episode of Lord Peter Whimsey, or Bulldog Drummond, or Inspector Maigret, or Marlowe, or The Avengers.

The entire thing seemed like it had been written by a committee. All that said - it was BBC1. It was aimed at the sort of people who watch that channel. So good ratings, probably, and it will probably sell well abroad.

I really wish that people would stop trying to write new Sherlock Holmes stories. And there isn't much point in making new movies of these stories. It's been done. The stories once broke new ground. But writing new episodes is like trying to write new Dickens or Marlowe stories. You might as well write a story about a Sherlock Holmes set in the year 2010. It will happen and it will be stupid.

Updating these things doesn't work.
 
Hook Innsmouth said:
Lady Stella said:
Von Kraft-Ebbing's Psychopathia Sexualis /That, and the whole 'twins' plot-twist stank..
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The general but rather clumsily abandoned link was I think to do with when the twin clutches his leg because the other one gets shot in the leg. There was evidence of suggestion to do with one twins 'kicks' so to speak being experienced by the other even when out of the room but seemed partially abandoned, no doubt because of the offence such a portrayal most likely would have caused.

It lacked any sense of courage, but then it's an easy show to attack given who the protagonists are.
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Indeed, I got the feeling that a LOT had been chopped out of the script, much to it's detriment. Mind you, even if the connections were left in, the twins thing would still have stunk.
:D

The entire thing seemed like it had been written by a committee.
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Yup, if not that, then badly edited by one.
 
alb said:
I really wish that people would stop trying to write new Sherlock Holmes stories. .
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Oh I don't know. there are a few amusing variations in "The Mammoth Book of New Sherlock Holmes Adventures" I'd like to see filmed.

In fact, for something entirely different "The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes" is excellent.
 
cheeky

And there's always the porn novel The Sex Life of Sherlock Holmes which apes the structure of the first, second and fourth novels. Any resemblance to fictional persons known and beloved is purely coincidental.
 
Christopher Plummer was pretty good in that Jack the Ripper was a royal movie whose title I've temporarily forgotten. James Mason was a doddering Watson, Murder By Decree !!!! I remembered.
 
Now its complete: hes got a statue in Moscow.

Moscow honours legendary Holmes

Actor Vasily Levanov helped design the statues of the sleuths
A monument to the fictional British detective Sherlock Holmes has been unveiled in Moscow.
The statue, near the British embassy, shows a pensive Holmes standing, pipe in hand, with his companion, Dr Watson.

Translations of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories flourished in the former Soviet Union, and were made into a television series.

Actor Vasily Levanov played the Russian Holmes and he advised on the design of the monument.

Sherlock Holmes became hugely popular in the former Soviet Union, despite one short story collection, The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, being banned in 1929 for supposed occultism.

The ban was later lifted and six Russian-language film adaptations cemented the appeal of the super sleuth.

Filmed entirely in the then Soviet Union between 1979 and 1986, the television series was one of the most successful in the history of Russian broadcasting.

It is credited with forming a popular perception of Great Britain, and a fascination with the amateur detective.

Vasily Levanov received an Order of the British Empire for his portrayal of Britain's most famous literary detective, which is widely regarded as one of the best.

He is the only Russian actor to have received the honour. Both Queen Elizabeth II and the former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher were reportedly fond of his Sherlock Holmes.

Series director Igor Maslennikov attributed Holmes' appeal to a sense of security: "He is reliable. Whereas the police are to punish someone, Holmes wants to help the victims. He is the personification of gentlemanly behaviour. Audiences are always in need of someone with those qualities."

The non-profit foundation Cultural Dialogue/One World, which organised the monument, is planning similar projects for the Little Prince and Don Quixote in Moscow, and the Three Musketeers in St. Petersburg.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6607249.stm
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punychicken said:
Just found this little gem and thought it might tickle someones fancy. There is the original artwork for the stories too.

Complete Holmes. Enjoy!
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Just a note to say this is now here (I'll update the first post):
http://camdenhouse.ignisart.com/main.htm

Rich~ said:
No Sherlock Holmes anthology is complete without:

http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/holmes.htm
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Surely no collection is complete without:

www.bakerstreetdozen.com/shadowsbs.html

Or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_H ... the_Worlds
 
Hmm, they got the wrong kind of pipe for the statue.
 
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