Is it possible, though, that UFOs could have their origin right here on planet earth? This may not be as strange an idea as one might imagine.
For years there have been rumours that there are subterranean worlds hidden under the north and south poles that could house civilisations whose existence we are unaware of.
IvanVolle said:FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.
And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades.
I have suggested elsewhere that Dr Mitchell might have had a long standing belief in extraterrestrial life and an ambition to find it, which has not been fulfillled, despite going to the Moon.Zilch5 said:The question for me here is - why would he make this up?
eburacum said:Well, we know what Buzz Aldrin saw- it was a panel from the Saturn IVB stage, detached when the Command Module and Lunar Module separated from that stage. Aldrin explained all this in his interview but that part was cut- a deliberate distortion if you ask me.
The link you gave had Aldrin explain very clearly that the panel was the culprit- right at the end, after that ignorant nerk interrupted him.Zilch5 said:Hmm - from what I saw, I thought that was a discounted theory?
If anyone has better links - I'd be happy to look at them!
Ed Mitchell has never seen a UFO in his life; Gordon Cooper never saw a UFO in space, on the other hand he said he did make one sighting in Germany many years before, although no-one else remembers it. Aldrin identified his own UFO but no-one was listening.Anyone want to volunteer here - to me it seems I'd rather believe the people who where there and saw this...??? Scientists and all?
so that tends to suggest that there is nothing to be seen in space....[neither] I, nor any crew I was on (I was on three Apollo crews), received any briefing before or after flights on UFO events, saw anything in space suggesting UFOs or structures on the Moon, etc."
ihatethatmonkee3 said:ah yes, structures on the moon. i loved that theory. either aliens building bases to spy on us, or nazi housing to build weapons to annihilate us.
just gotta love those crazy conspiracy nuts ain't ya?
eburacum said:I have suggested elsewhere that Dr Mitchell might have had a long standing belief in extraterrestrial life and an ambition to find it, which has not been fulfillled, despite going to the Moon.Zilch5 said:The question for me here is - why would he make this up?
He instead has been reporting rumours and hearsay, perhaps in an optimistic effort to make his life-long beliefs come true. Unfortunately we need more than hearsay to determine this matter.
So some Admiral who didn't know the answers, and was asking questions in JFK's time, was told 'you don't have a need to know, so get lost'. Mitchell seems to assign a lot of importance to this, but basically it was just an Admiral who was out of the loop asking questions. That is a long way from being an inside source.(Ed Mitchell)This gentleman tried his damndest to get me in and like so many others in the administration over the last 60 years, since JFK's time, was unable to. He was told 'Admiral, you don't have a need to know, and therefore go get lost,' essentially.
eburacum said:It doesn't seem to have crossed their minds that if people like themselves didn't know anything for certain, then perhaps there was nothing to know.
eburacum said:Speaking to people, and listening to their replies, is hearsay.
In a recent interview Mitchell said something interesting;
So some Admiral who didn't know the answers, and was asking questions in JFK's time, was told 'you don't have a need to know, so get lost'. Mitchell seems to assign a lot of importance to this, but basically it was just an Admiral who was out of the loop asking questions. That is a long way from being an inside source.(Ed Mitchell)This gentleman tried his damndest to get me in and like so many others in the administration over the last 60 years, since JFK's time, was unable to. He was told 'Admiral, you don't have a need to know, and therefore go get lost,' essentially.
Mitchell should have been aware that old retired miltary gentlemen get bees in their bonnets; their former high rank doesn't necessarily mean that they have any credibiity. In Britain, a cranky old Admiral would perhaps be regarded with a little more skepticism than in America.
Other old duffers who have expressed an interest in UFOs include Paul Hellyer, Canada's former Defence minister, and Lord Hill-Norton in the UK. Neither of those august gentlemen produced any evidence themselves, but instead have campaigned for more information. It doesn't seem to have crossed their minds that if people like themselves didn't know anything for certain, then perhaps there was nothing to know.
That is the crux of the UFO Conspiracy concept; a few people in the US industrial/military complex can conspire to keep the world in ignorance about the existence of a galactic civilisation we are in contact with.
That sounds extremely unlikely to me, but you might form a different opinion.
I suspect that the files he is talking about are probably the Majestic12 files, which are almost certainly fakes.Yes. But he claims not only to repeat what others said. But that he saw a number of files.
Analis said:eburacum said:I have suggested elsewhere that Dr Mitchell might have had a long standing belief in extraterrestrial life and an ambition to find it, which has not been fulfillled, despite going to the Moon.Zilch5 said:The question for me here is - why would he make this up?
He instead has been reporting rumours and hearsay, perhaps in an optimistic effort to make his life-long beliefs come true. Unfortunately we need more than hearsay to determine this matter.
According to him, and I believe he is sincere, he spoke directly to people involved, and was shown a number of files. Not that I believe any of their contents without proof. But hearsay or rumors are not the right words.
analis said:Well; if I understand, this admiral asked if there was something true about UFOs. And was answered that he couldn't be told, because he didn't have a need to know. So, it means that this info was classified. At least, that's what it seems. If it wasn't, and there was nothing to hide, he would have been told that there was nothing to know.
Analis said:eburacum said:That is the crux of the UFO Conspiracy concept; a few people in the US industrial/military complex can conspire to keep the world in ignorance about the existence of a galactic civilisation we are in contact with.
That sounds extremely unlikely to me, but you might form a different opinion.
It may seem unlikely. But to conceal the existence of contact with an ET civilisation, or knowledge of the existence of such civilisation, or suspicion of its existence, there is a way mentionned elsewhere: to flood the public with counter information via pseudo-whistleblowers and misinformants. I think that's what happened to Dr Mitchell, he is not the first victim.
i find that difficult to believe. the guy has been voicing his opinions about the possible existance of extra-terrestrial life for many years now. we're supposed to believe that people with access to that information let him view files?
analis said:Well; if I understand, this admiral asked if there was something true about UFOs. And was answered that he couldn't be told, because he didn't have a need to know. So, it means that this info was classified. At least, that's what it seems. If it wasn't, and there was nothing to hide, he would have been told that there was nothing to know.
disinformation is as classiied as actual information. the fact that the us government has admitted running covert weapons and aircraft tests under the guise of them being UFOs should explain why a straight answer wouldn't be given, regardless of whether that answer was a negative.
Analis said:eburacum said:That is the crux of the UFO Conspiracy concept; a few people in the US industrial/military complex can conspire to keep the world in ignorance about the existence of a galactic civilisation we are in contact with.
That sounds extremely unlikely to me, but you might form a different opinion.
It may seem unlikely. But to conceal the existence of contact with an ET civilisation, or knowledge of the existence of such civilisation, or suspicion of its existence, there is a way mentionned elsewhere: to flood the public with counter information via pseudo-whistleblowers and misinformants. I think that's what happened to Dr Mitchell, he is not the first victim.
i do believe that there will be an above top secret level of information, but that it applies to the testing of the weapons and aircraft i mentioned above. as for lifeforms that may be out there, which i believe there truly are, i don't think we are any nearer to finding them as they are to finding us, meaning i am of the opinion that the majority of UFOs are natural, but misunderstood and unidentified, phenomenom.
Analis said:If someone let him view those files, it may be because there is a slow disclosure, to accustom the public; I am sceptic of it. Or because it is disinformation.
analis said:Well; if I understand, this admiral asked if there was something true about UFOs. And was answered that he couldn't be told, because he didn't have a need to know. So, it means that this info was classified. At least, that's what it seems. If it wasn't, and there was nothing to hide, he would have been told that there was nothing to know.
ihatethatmonkee3 said:disinformation is as classiied as actual information. the fact that the us government has admitted running covert weapons and aircraft tests under the guise of them being UFOs should explain why a straight answer wouldn't be given, regardless of whether that answer was a negative.
When you say that the US government admitted that, do you refer to the Belgian wave and the LoFlyte? This story is almost certainly bogus. A CIA historian explained too that the CIA had promoted belief in saucers in the 50s to conceal flights of U-2 and SR-71, and that they explained 50% of UFO sightings! But they could never sustain it, nor give a list of examples. These planes were probably reported as UFOs in a number of cases, but they never gave examples. Their files from this era don't mention anything like that. Worse, the CIA-sponsored Robertson Panel in 1953 stated that belief in UFOs should be strongly discouraged. Probably, the belief in UFOs was sometimes used by intelligence and military services, in the USA or other countries; but usually, in testing their staff or psychological warfare experiments, rather than as a cover.
Analis said:eburacum said:That is the crux of the UFO Conspiracy concept; a few people in the US industrial/military complex can conspire to keep the world in ignorance about the existence of a galactic civilisation we are in contact with.
That sounds extremely unlikely to me, but you might form a different opinion.
It may seem unlikely. But to conceal the existence of contact with an ET civilisation, or knowledge of the existence of such civilisation, or suspicion of its existence, there is a way mentionned elsewhere: to flood the public with counter information via pseudo-whistleblowers and misinformants. I think that's what happened to Dr Mitchell, he is not the first victim.
ihatethatmonkee3 said:i do believe that there will be an above top secret level of information, but that it applies to the testing of the weapons and aircraft i mentioned above. as for lifeforms that may be out there, which i believe there truly are, i don't think we are any nearer to finding them as they are to finding us, meaning i am of the opinion that the majority of UFOs are natural, but misunderstood and unidentified, phenomenom.
I wonder, which weapons would be so revolutionnary to be classified at Above Top Secret?