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A Vatican academy is set to investigate 'mystical phenomena' around the world including 'weeping' statues of the Virgin Mary, stigmata and ghost sightings under plans for a new dedicated observatory.

The Pontifical Mariana International Academy (PAMI), which describes itself as a scientific institution of the Holy See, will hope to uncover 'around a hundred ongoing phenomena' in Italy alone.

The specialist observatory, which is still awaiting authenticity by the Church, will 'evaluate and study apparitions and mystical phenomena' across the globe.

It will delve into ghost sightings, interior locutions and stigmata - which believers see as bodily marks, scars or pains corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-academy-probe-mystical-phenomena-world.html

maximus otter
 
A Vatican academy is set to investigate 'mystical phenomena' around the world including 'weeping' statues of the Virgin Mary, stigmata and ghost sightings under plans for a new dedicated observatory.

The Pontifical Mariana International Academy (PAMI), which describes itself as a scientific institution of the Holy See, will hope to uncover 'around a hundred ongoing phenomena' in Italy alone.

The specialist observatory, which is still awaiting authenticity by the Church, will 'evaluate and study apparitions and mystical phenomena' across the globe.

It will delve into ghost sightings, interior locutions and stigmata - which believers see as bodily marks, scars or pains corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-academy-probe-mystical-phenomena-world.html

maximus otter
So absolutely no bias whatsoever then, I can't think of a better group of people to study such alleged phenomena objectively...

The whole stigmata thing seems rather 1980s 'The Unexplained' magazine now, or have there been any reputable cases lately?
 
New rules arising from the investigation. Max has joined the Swiss Guard.

Vatican reveals new rules for the supernatural​

2 hours ago

When are reports of a weeping statue fake news? How credible is the claim that a holy relic led to a miraculous healing? And how should a divine apparition be confirmed?

These are the themes being addressed in the Vatican’s new guidelines on supernatural phenomena, which are being presented at a media briefing. The document, compiled by the Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, lays out rules to assess the truthfulness of such claims.

Reports of such phenomena are said to have soared in recent years in an era of social media - sometimes spread through disinformation and rumour.

The guidelines are likely to tighten criteria for the screening, analysis, and possible rejection of cases. The Vatican last issued rulings on the phenomena in 1978.

Apparitions have been reported across the centuries. Those recognised by the Church have prompted pilgrims, and popes, to visit spots where they are said to have taken place.

Millions flock to Lourdes in France, for example, or Fatima in Portugal, where the Virgin Mary is alleged to have appeared to children, promising a miracle - after which crowds are said to have witnessed the sun zig-zagging through the sky. The visitation was officially recognised by the Church in 1930.

But other reports are found by church officials to be baloney. In 2016, an Italian woman began claiming regular apparitions of Jesus and Mary in a small town north of Rome after she brought back a statue from Medjugorje in Bosnia, where the Virgin Mary is also said to have appeared. Crowds prayed before the statue and received messages including warnings against same-sex marriage and abortion. It took eight years for the local bishop to debunk the story.

And so the Vatican, an institution peppered with mysticism, and which still communicates via smoke signals, will be hoping its new rules can regulate claims of the supernatural.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cekl9jd883yo
 
New rules arising from the investigation. Max has joined the Swiss Guard.

Vatican reveals new rules for the supernatural​

2 hours ago

When are reports of a weeping statue fake news? How credible is the claim that a holy relic led to a miraculous healing? And how should a divine apparition be confirmed?

These are the themes being addressed in the Vatican’s new guidelines on supernatural phenomena, which are being presented at a media briefing. The document, compiled by the Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, lays out rules to assess the truthfulness of such claims.

Reports of such phenomena are said to have soared in recent years in an era of social media - sometimes spread through disinformation and rumour.

The guidelines are likely to tighten criteria for the screening, analysis, and possible rejection of cases. The Vatican last issued rulings on the phenomena in 1978.

Apparitions have been reported across the centuries. Those recognised by the Church have prompted pilgrims, and popes, to visit spots where they are said to have taken place.

Millions flock to Lourdes in France, for example, or Fatima in Portugal, where the Virgin Mary is alleged to have appeared to children, promising a miracle - after which crowds are said to have witnessed the sun zig-zagging through the sky. The visitation was officially recognised by the Church in 1930.

But other reports are found by church officials to be baloney. In 2016, an Italian woman began claiming regular apparitions of Jesus and Mary in a small town north of Rome after she brought back a statue from Medjugorje in Bosnia, where the Virgin Mary is also said to have appeared. Crowds prayed before the statue and received messages including warnings against same-sex marriage and abortion. It took eight years for the local bishop to debunk the story.

And so the Vatican, an institution peppered with mysticism, and which still communicates via smoke signals, will be hoping its new rules can regulate claims of the supernatural.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cekl9jd883yo

More on the changed rules.

The Vatican on Friday radically reformed its process for evaluating alleged visions of the Virgin Mary, weeping statues and other seemingly supernatural phenomena, insisting on having the final say in whether the events are worthy of popular devotion.

The Vatican’s doctrine office overhauled norms first issued in 1978, arguing that they were no longer useful or viable in the Internet age.

Nowadays, word about apparitions or weeping Madonnas travels quickly and can actually harm the faithful if hoaxers are trying to make money off people’s beliefs or manipulate them, the Vatican said.

The new norms reframe the Catholic Church’s evaluation process, by essentially taking off the table whether church authorities will declare a particular vision, stigmata or other seemingly divinely inspired event supernatural.

Instead, the new criteria envisages six main outcomes, with the most favourable being that the church issues a noncommittal doctrinal green light, a so-called “nihil obstat”.

Such a declaration means there is nothing about the event that is contrary to the faith and, therefore, Catholics can express devotion to it.
The revised norms allow that an event might at some point be declared “supernatural” – and that the Pope can intervene in the process. But “as a rule” the church is no longer in the business of authenticating inexplicable events or making definitive decisions about their supernatural origin.

The Catholic Church has had a long and controversial history of the faithful claiming to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, of statues purportedly weeping tears of blood and stigmata erupting on hands and feet mimicking the wounds of Christ.

When confirmed as authentic by church authorities, these otherwise inexplicable divine signs have led to a flourishing of the faith, with new religious vocations and conversions. That has been the case for the purported apparitions of Mary that turned Fatima, Portugal and Lourdes, France into enormously popular pilgrimage destinations.

Church figures who claimed to have experienced the stigmata wounds, including Padre Pio and Pope Francis’s namesake St Francis of Assisi, have inspired millions of Catholics even if decisions about the authenticity of them has been elusive.

Francis himself has weighed in on the phenomenon, making clear that he is devoted to the main church-approved Marian apparitions, such as Our Lady of Guadalupe, who believers say appeared to an indigenous man in Mexico in 1531. But Francis has expressed scepticism about more recent events, including claims of repeated messages from Mary to “seers” at the shrine of Medjugorje, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, even while allowing pilgrimages to take place there.

“I prefer the Madonna as mother, our mother, and not a woman who’s the head of a telegraphic office, who sends a message every day at a certain time,” Francis told reporters in 2017.

But the phenomena has also been a source of scandal. That was the case when the Vatican in 2007 excommunicated the members of a Quebec-based group, the Army of Mary, after its founder claimed to have had Marian visions and declared herself the reincarnation of the mother of Christ.

The revised norms acknowledge the potential for such abuses, and warn that hoaxers will be held accountable, including with canonical penalties. The new norms warn that claiming mystical experiences for profit or as a means to control others or to commit abuses against them “is to be considered of particular moral gravity”.

The new norms envisage a more articulated investigation process after a bishop receives word of a possible supernatural event in his diocese.

He forms a study commission of theologians and canon lawyers to gather information and evidence, interview the alleged witnesses and come to a recommendation that he submits to the Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith for approval.

He can choose among six general outcomes: the green light “nihil obstat” to allow and even encourage popular devotion, or gradually more cautious approaches if there are doctrinal red flags about the reported event.

The most serious envisages a declaration that the event is not supernatural or that there are enough red flags to warrant a public statement “that adherence to this phenomenon is not allowed”.

Whereas in the past the bishop often had the last word unless Vatican help was requested, now the Vatican must sign off on every recommendation proposed by a bishop.

In an explanatory note, the head of the Vatican’s doctrine office, Argentine Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez, acknowledged that the Vatican’s previous way of handling reported apparitions often led to “considerable confusion” among the faithful.

At no point are the faithful obliged to believe in the particular events, he said.

“The church gives the faithful the freedom to pay attention” or not, he said at a news conference. ...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-41397160.html
 
Vatican astronomer, Jesuit Father Jose Funes, said that everything is a creation of God, but he can’t decide if aliens need redemption.

What does that mean about redemption if all are God’s creation ?
 
Other planets might also have had an out of Eden moment and require redemption for that.
 
More on the changed rules.

The Vatican on Friday radically reformed its process for evaluating alleged visions of the Virgin Mary, weeping statues and other seemingly supernatural phenomena, insisting on having the final say in whether the events are worthy of popular devotion.

The Vatican’s doctrine office overhauled norms first issued in 1978, arguing that they were no longer useful or viable in the Internet age.

Nowadays, word about apparitions or weeping Madonnas travels quickly and can actually harm the faithful if hoaxers are trying to make money off people’s beliefs or manipulate them, the Vatican said.

The new norms reframe the Catholic Church’s evaluation process, by essentially taking off the table whether church authorities will declare a particular vision, stigmata or other seemingly divinely inspired event supernatural.

Instead, the new criteria envisages six main outcomes, with the most favourable being that the church issues a noncommittal doctrinal green light, a so-called “nihil obstat”.

Such a declaration means there is nothing about the event that is contrary to the faith and, therefore, Catholics can express devotion to it.
The revised norms allow that an event might at some point be declared “supernatural” – and that the Pope can intervene in the process. But “as a rule” the church is no longer in the business of authenticating inexplicable events or making definitive decisions about their supernatural origin.

The Catholic Church has had a long and controversial history of the faithful claiming to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, of statues purportedly weeping tears of blood and stigmata erupting on hands and feet mimicking the wounds of Christ.

When confirmed as authentic by church authorities, these otherwise inexplicable divine signs have led to a flourishing of the faith, with new religious vocations and conversions. That has been the case for the purported apparitions of Mary that turned Fatima, Portugal and Lourdes, France into enormously popular pilgrimage destinations.

Church figures who claimed to have experienced the stigmata wounds, including Padre Pio and Pope Francis’s namesake St Francis of Assisi, have inspired millions of Catholics even if decisions about the authenticity of them has been elusive.

Francis himself has weighed in on the phenomenon, making clear that he is devoted to the main church-approved Marian apparitions, such as Our Lady of Guadalupe, who believers say appeared to an indigenous man in Mexico in 1531. But Francis has expressed scepticism about more recent events, including claims of repeated messages from Mary to “seers” at the shrine of Medjugorje, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, even while allowing pilgrimages to take place there.

“I prefer the Madonna as mother, our mother, and not a woman who’s the head of a telegraphic office, who sends a message every day at a certain time,” Francis told reporters in 2017.

But the phenomena has also been a source of scandal. That was the case when the Vatican in 2007 excommunicated the members of a Quebec-based group, the Army of Mary, after its founder claimed to have had Marian visions and declared herself the reincarnation of the mother of Christ.

The revised norms acknowledge the potential for such abuses, and warn that hoaxers will be held accountable, including with canonical penalties. The new norms warn that claiming mystical experiences for profit or as a means to control others or to commit abuses against them “is to be considered of particular moral gravity”.

The new norms envisage a more articulated investigation process after a bishop receives word of a possible supernatural event in his diocese.

He forms a study commission of theologians and canon lawyers to gather information and evidence, interview the alleged witnesses and come to a recommendation that he submits to the Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith for approval.

He can choose among six general outcomes: the green light “nihil obstat” to allow and even encourage popular devotion, or gradually more cautious approaches if there are doctrinal red flags about the reported event.

The most serious envisages a declaration that the event is not supernatural or that there are enough red flags to warrant a public statement “that adherence to this phenomenon is not allowed”.

Whereas in the past the bishop often had the last word unless Vatican help was requested, now the Vatican must sign off on every recommendation proposed by a bishop.

In an explanatory note, the head of the Vatican’s doctrine office, Argentine Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez, acknowledged that the Vatican’s previous way of handling reported apparitions often led to “considerable confusion” among the faithful.

At no point are the faithful obliged to believe in the particular events, he said.

“The church gives the faithful the freedom to pay attention” or not, he said at a news conference. ...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-41397160.html
So there you go. Take it or feckin leave it.
 
I understand the Vatican library has a UFO stored away along with centuries of priceless items which will never see the light of day.

An extraterrestrial could be even living at the Vatican.
 
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