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Was this a cult?

sonofajoiner

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Not sure if this should go here or IHTM. Mods feel free to move it if necessary.

After reading through some of the cult related threads on here it got me thinking about a brush I had with a probable cult when I was about 10 (so late 1980s). The gist of events were that a group of attractive and super-fun american teens/young adults turned up at my primary school and spent the afternoon singing songs, giving out sweets and playing games with us children. None of which was in anyway related to religion of any sort.

They gave out fliers advertising an evening of entertainment at a local community centre that evening which a lot of children from many local schools attended. My recollection is that other than a vast number of american youths there were no other adults present (My mum says that the kids on the door had said something along the lines of adults not being permitted which is one of the reasons that she didn't leave).

Initially all was well and we were treated to caberet style entertainment. After about 20mins an older man (30s/40s maybe?) appeared on the stage and began ranting about Jesus. He asked who in the room hadnt let Jesus into their hearts, and to my surprise I found that I'd put my hand up (being a child of atheist parents as Dawkins would put it). I was then escorted to the front of the room, carefully separated from anyone that I obviously knew and taken to a screened off section of the hall where I was seated on the floor with 5 other children and one of the american kids. We were then instructed to join our american friend in chanting prayers in hebrew, which of course we all had a little trouble with. This seemed to go on for a long time and I became increasingly frightened by what was happening. The american girl started to get angry that we wouldnt join in and began shouting at us and claiming that we wouldn't see our families again if we didn't start praying etc.. when my mum and several other parents burst into the room 'Rambo-style' and rescued as many children as possible. I cried all the way home.

It turns out that some local schools had been warned about the group and their ulterior motive and had turned them away. But I've always wondered who they were and whether I really was in any danger of abduction as my mum seemed to think. I can't find any info about them myself so I wondered if anyone else had any encounters with this lot or could shed any light on events? Was it a cult or merely some dubious and over-zealous evangelist group?
 
Sounds possible. A vague member of my family is completely indoctrinated into a cult (so much that she broke off with her fiancé, and has quit all communication with her family, despite their many attempts). This cult started as a "personnel training business". So I guess some pretty tricky masquerades can be affected.
 
Was it a cult or merely some dubious and over-zealous evangelist group?

The distinction between the two can be rather a matter of opinion.

Attempts at isolating potential converts from friends/family are never a particularly healthy sign though. Neither, I suspect, is trying to ingraciate yourself with the local community by being exceptionally nice to them in ways that aren't obviously related to religion, and then inviting them to 'church'.
 
Does it sound like any known groups though? I've always wondered who they were and where I could've ended up if the meeting hadn't been interrupted. Did they visit other schools across the country using the same method? I've never met anyone else who encountered them.
 
The chanting in Hebrew puts up a red flag in my mind. As a member of what most here would probably classify as an "Evangelical" group, it sounded like the kind of boneheaded "mission trips" American churches often sponsor until the "chanting in Hebrew" and "they separated me out and told me I'd never see my family again" part. Maybe some don't see a difference, but, er, I do.
 
Well, it certainly sounds like it was a pretty scary experience.
 
I'm going to go with cult on this one. I don't think it's common for evangelical groups to focus on children. test
 
Some evangelical groups, 'christian fellowships','non-denomenational churches' still do the rounds with schools, though I think they're a bit more careful these days about the schools they pick, and what they do & say while they're there.

Generally they seem to prefer teenagers. I've heard of 'quiet rooms' being provided at concerts by christian rock bands, where people can be isolated from their friends (or, somewhere to pray where they won't be embarrassed, as the other side see it).

Sounds like this lot were very bold indeed 'joiner.
 
We had groups like that when I was at school.

cant remember the details except that no one was taken in; none of it we could relate to our own knowlege of religion. (rock concerts, for crissake...)

My parents just laughed, and so I know it wasnt to be taken seriously.

And it was `american`........
 
We had a few of these things when I was at school too - the Gideons (yes Bill, I've seen one!!), among them. In fact, in the mid 80's my little sister went to a weekend camp with one of them (one of these feed a tree, praise jesus things) as one of her teachers in Primary school was involved.
 
I wonder if it could have been "UP with People"?
Not sure if they can be considered a cult however.

I remember them visiting my high school (here in Norway) in the middle
of the 80's.
They were visiting my class (and other classes too I suppose) on my school. It was not much Jesus or God talk then. They wanted us to go and see one of their shows which they did in the evenings.
And of course they wanted to get more people joining them on the tour around Europe.

More info on the Up With People.
 
Hmm. Interesting stuff. Its possible that it was this lot, but there wasnt so much of an 'organised' show element to them. I remeber that the teens performed a number of 'wartime' numbers (I definitely remember 'boogie-woogie bugle boy' being in the mix somewhere!) both at my school and in the evening brainwash session. I'll have a better look at the link tho, so cheers.
 
We had a few of these things when I was at school too - the Gideons (yes Bill, I've seen one!!), among them

Yeah, they came to my school as well - took an assembly one morning and asked if we would all like a free New Testament each. Weirdly enough, though my school was pretty rough, not one kid refused.

Evangelical fundies though they might be, I have a soft spot for the Gideons. They give you the literature and leave you alone to make up your own mind. Pity they can't all be like that, eh.
 
The pages in those little Gideons make quite good cigarette paper, so I'm told.

Ah - so that's why they call it the 'Wrap-ture'.

Guess it depends if the 'cigarettes' are the kind that get you high or not.

alright...I'll get me coat now...
 
barfing_pumpkin said:
Weirdly enough, though my school was pretty rough, not one kid refused.

We had this at my secondary school. We were told that we didnt have to take a bible but when I tried to leave without picking one up I was frogmarched back to the desk and had one thrust into my hands.
 
The pages in those little Gideons make quite good cigarette paper, so I'm told.

Yes - a friend of mine used to lodge in NZ with a guy who had just come out of prison... apparently they weren't allowed real cigarettes there so rolled their own using paper from Bibles and what the guards left in the ashtray :cross eye

Holy smoke indeed...
 
Cults Vs. Religions

BlackRiverFalls said:
"The distinction between the two can be rather a matter of opinion."

Indeed. In my second hometown, in Northern Kentucky, a mother and father, both atheists, threw their 15-year-old twin daughters out onto the public streets after the girls revealed that they had started going to Christian services and refused to stop. This was in the middle to late 1960s.

One of the old-line, mainstream Christian churches found the girls housing with a respectible Christian family and then assumed the cost of the girls' food, medical care, clothing, education, etc.

The girls' parents next charged that the church was a "cult" and tried to get the pastor, the assistant pastor, the music director, the office staff, the deacons, the trustees and various church committee workers, plus individual church members all arrested and tried for "child abduction."

I understand that several judges, court officers and attorneys had to recuse themselves because they found their names in the above litany!

But no matter. The charges were laughed out of court anyway.
 
SameOldVardoger said:
I wonder if it could have been "UP with People"?
Not sure if they can be considered a cult however.

I remember them visiting my high school (here in Norway) in the middle
of the 80's.
They were visiting my class (and other classes too I suppose) on my school. It was not much Jesus or God talk then. They wanted us to go and see one of their shows which they did in the evenings.
And of course they wanted to get more people joining them on the tour around Europe.

More info on the Up With People.

VERY interesting. I remember Up With People coming to our school in Saskatchewan when I was in Grade 8 (1979-ish). They did a song-and-dance presentation for the whole school, then proceeded to have a sit-down let's-talk-about-youth-issues session with us older kids. I really don't remember what specifically we talked about, or what they did in their show... After reading that web page, though, I'm kinda retroactively peeved at my school for so unquestioningly letting these people in to warp our young minds! I think Matt Groening must have based The Simpsons' "Hooray For Everything" troupe on those weirdos.
 
Im now 95% certain that it wasnt the Up with People lot that rocked up at my school. The 'evening show' we were invited to became most definitely explicit in it's 'get with jesus' agenda, which they had most definitely not been up front about.
 
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