ramonmercado
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Dunno, its the type of thing Mandelson would do.
Dingo667 said:Don't know what I am supposed to say but I think its Trolling. Nobody could seriously think the are actually 'spraying' stuff. In the case of the large airliner with the two trails:
- for one they don't come out of anything, they are formed at the edges of the tail fins,
- also has anybody ever thought about where to store such a blooming large amount of 'stuff' inside a plane? Not only that but shouldn't it be propelled by some gas [that I wouldn't now]? If a propellant was needed, where?
- are all the main airlines in on this?
I looked at some other 'chemtrail' site, who seem to waver between the trails being contails, used to change our weather, whilst other entries say they are chemtrails...all on one site [no I won't link to rubbish like that, just google chemtrail images and pick any.
What I couldn't figure out is why these governments 'them', would want to change the weather?
Or if you are on the other side, why would they want to poison us slowly???
And if the OP would have read my first post properly, he wouldn't have needed to imply that I believe governments or official statements blindly, as I have pointed out that I find some conspiracy theories quite viable. I in contrast to the OP have the ability to change my opinion.
Mythopoeika said:Dingo667 said:What I couldn't figure out is why these governments 'them', would want to change the weather?
Or if you are on the other side, why would they want to poison us slowly???
That's right. It just defies logic.
I could understand the possibility that an evil foreign power might spray us with deadly toxins or weird viruses to kill us, but they wouldn't do it ever so slowly over a 50 year period. I just couldn't understand it if our own government did it to us.
It is true that some scientists have performed limited experiments to find out if it is possible to slow down global warming, and others have experimented with cloud-seeding to increase rainfall - but I don't think it is possible to have sprayed chemicals on an almost daily basis for 50-odd years. Where do all those chemicals come from? How much do they cost to spray? How come no scientists have found huge concentrations of these chemicals in our bodies or in the soil?
If 'someone' wanted to kill us, they'd do it quickly.
coaly said:I'm sorry "john"... but I think you are borderline spamming, if not, straight forwardly so.
Unfortunately, that would be the easy bit. One would simply have to develop a binary weapon. Liberally spray for 50 years, then one day, you send up aircraft with the trigger. Spray that and it would be goodnight Vienna.Dr_Baltar said:Again, I have to ask, where's the evidence? Where's the dwindling population and the increasing premature death rate? Without those theory is just what it looks like, bollocks.
Pietro_Mercurios said:Unfortunately, that would be the easy bit. One would simply have to develop a binary weapon. Liberally spray for 50 years, then one day, you send up aircraft with the trigger. Spray that and it would be goodnight Vienna.Dr_Baltar said:Again, I have to ask, where's the evidence? Where's the dwindling population and the increasing premature death rate? Without those theory is just what it looks like, bollocks.
Analis said:When I had a first look on the chemtrail conspiracy, I was given a completely different story : they were an anti-global warming weapon. They were made to reflect sunlight, and drop temperatures. Of course, it doesn't work if you believe that human made global warming is a hoax !
Dingo667 said:Theories so far:
1. Chemtrails are sprayed to harm us.
2. Contrails are made/produced to change the weather.
3. Chemtrails to save the planet from warming.
Well, if you're going to inject facts, and actual evidence into the debate, you'll take all the fun out. Atmospheric physics is just so boring.Dr_Baltar said:You missed out:
4. Contrails are condensed water vapour, a natural by-product of burning aviation fuel at high altitude.
Anome_ said:you'll take all the fun out.
titch said:John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!
stuneville said:It's a fair cop, but a secret society is to blame.
ramonmercado said:They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!
I get paid by all 3 and by the CFR.
ramonmercado said:They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!
WhistlingJack said:ramonmercado said:They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!
I don't know about the others, but I've been getting vouchers from Matalan, C&A and M&S :?
Dingo667 said:Yet another theory. One that could even make sense to me, explained properly but then why not tell us about it, considering its a 'good thing'. Also global warming wasn't so much of a problem 50 years ago, why waste money?
Also it takes a heck of a long time to start working. If it is accumulative and they are near completion, why not let us know that their global warming will soon stop thanks to their efforts?
Whereas mine are from Habitat, Harvey Nicholls and Waitrose.WhistlingJack said:..I don't know about the others, but I've been getting vouchers from Matalan, C&A and M&S :?
Analis said:....Now, an objection is that we would see the effects of chemtrails on public health. This would be not so easy. Pollution already affects public health, resulting notably in a rise in cancers and a drop in fertility. They're probably caused by pollutants like pesticides, fungicids and herbicids. But if chemtrails played a part, it wouldn't be easy to distinguish it from the role of other pollutants.
I don't believe these theories. I just wanted to point that this objection is not solid : if some people spread pollutants via chemtrails, they would not be easy to evidence, as their effects would be buried under the wider noise of pollution.stuneville said:What's still missing is any clear motive. Why would an uncontrollable, indscriminate toxin be liberally sprayed over both populated and abjectly unpopulated areas? What possible gain would there be?
Analis said:As for contrails, they do have an effect on climate. After 11 september 2001, when all air traffic was closed, temperatures rose by 1°C, despite that weather conditions remained constant.
ramonmercado said:titch said:John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!
Ignore Titch! This is Disinformation!
They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!
I get paid by all 3 and by the CFR.
titch said:ramonmercado said:titch said:John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!
Ignore Titch! This is Disinformation!
They are paid by Mossad, CIA & MI6!
I get paid by all 3 and by the CFR.
DO NOT IGNORE ME! I AM WRITING IN CAPS!!! AND THROWING IN LOTS OF!!!!!! THIS PROVES I AM TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* No to any imperialist intervention. The immediate and unconditional end to sanctions on Iran!
* No to the theocratic regime!
* Opposition to Israeli expansionism and aggression!
* Support to all working class and progressive struggles in Iran against poverty and repression!
* Support for socialism, democracy and workers' control in Iran!
* For a nuclear-free Middle East as a step towards a nuclear-free world!
titch said:John i wouldn't be to fussed about the reception your theory has received here,IT IS A FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE BEHIND THE FORTEAN TIMES ARE MI5 AGENTS!! AND MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THESE FORUMS ARE PAID MI5 AGENTS!!!!!!!!