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Underground (Miscellaneous: Tunnels, Roads, Bunkers Etc.)

I am always amazed at how quickly things can be forgotten, even things in plain sight.

The huge monuments and elaborate tombs of Egypt were a mystery to even the Egyptians, their very writing was unknown to the contemporary inhabitants for centuries.

Standard explanation-the work of devils.

Some day, much of our culture will be a mystery, and when they dig up those tapes, no one will be able to read them.

There is a funny book called "The Motel of the Mysteries" with a sly take on uncertain conclusions drawn from the relics of the past.
 
A site devoted to Urban Sanitation in Paris before 1900

By Frederique Krupa

Engrossing things about sewers, garbage & corpses. Some evocative - but small - photos of the Paris sewers in 1861. :)
 
The grand plan for the mechanized boneyard was realized in London, with the Necropolis and the 'Necropolitan' rail line.

Cremation is going to be the dominant method for corpse disposal for some time, we're running out of land and the cost has begun to pinch the average family. The dead have no need of luxuries. They are beyond all comfort or harm.

A lot of 'cremains' are sitting on shelves, awaiting some final disposition.
 
Picture Gallery:

Amazing photographs of huge cave systems in Thailand

In more than 30 years as a cave explorer, photographer and guide, John Spies - an Australian based in Thailand - has visited 85 caves, discovered incredible formations, documented prehistoric cave art, ancient underworld burial grounds, Buddhist temples and strange eyeless forms of life.

John Spies explores the ancient caves of Tham Lod in Pang Mapha, Thailand

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthp ... iland.html

EDIT: I've heard of stalactites and stalagmites, but Flowstone is a new one on me!

OMG! there's a Pendulite too!

(Brilliant photos. I'd like to copy them all, but my HD's running out of space!
 
From the exotic to the local...

Dog survives 160ft mine plunge in Cornwall

A pet dog had a "miracle" escape after falling 160ft down a disused mine shaft and being lost for 24 hours.

Owner Brian Saunders had played a round of golf at Radnor in Cornwall when his dog Iso bolted into some bushes.
Mr Saunders and friends scoured the area but Iso remained undiscovered until the next day when his barking was heard from the mine.
Iso escaped with a minor cut to his head and a "dented muzzle", but was in "good spirits" said rescuers.

Firefighters were alerted after Sprocker spaniel Iso was heard the next day by a man living nearby.
They said Iso could have been knocked unconscious by the fall, which was why he was not found earlier.
A firefighter abseiled down the shaft to a ledge where Iso lay.

Commander Dave Carlisle, of Cornwall Fire and Rescue Service, said: "It made our day when we found him."
He said the shaft had thick undergrowth around it.
"For someone to fall down it would require a great effort," he said.
"Iso is a lively dog and may have seen something which he went after.
"West Cornwall is littered with mine shafts and after heavy rain adits open up so it is an ongoing problem."

Retired pharmacist Mr Saunders, from Falmout,h said: "It was a miracle when he came out.
"I'm very proud of him."

Mr Saunders took ownership of his pet after Iso failed to become a police sniffer dog. He said a police handler had found Iso's first interest was hunting, not retrieving. 8)
"He's the most intelligent dog I've ever owned, but he's only two years old.
"It was his enthusiasm that got the better of him, but he will be on a lead in the future."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-20435163

This story was front page news in the local rag (meaning it's not immediately available online). The suggestion there was that people had for some time been chucking grass cuttings down the mine, which cushioned Iso's fall.
 
I should perhaps point out that adits are not the same as mineshafts: Mineshafts are generally vertical, while adits are roughly horizontal shafts to drain water from a mine.

So the dog fell down a mineshaft, and talk of adits 'opening up' is irrelevent.
 
Hole in Blackshots Lane, Grays, prompts evacuation

A family have been told to leave their home after the ground outside it collapsed into a 25ft-wide (7m) hole.
Engineers from Thurrock Council have closed off one lane in the road outside the Coldham family home in Blackshots Lane in Grays.

The owners first noticed something was wrong when a small hole appeared outside the cottage last week.
The cause of the problem is a denehole, an underground gap left by chalk excavation in 17th Century.

Jason Coldham, brother of the owner of the house, said: "It is pretty manic at the moment.
"My brother first noticed it when a 2ft (0.7m) hole appeared. Within a matter of seven or eight hours, it had grown into a 5ft (1.5m) hole.
"It has got worse and worse and has developed into a 25ft crater which is about 5ft (1.2m)deep."

The family, which breeds dogs, has had to evacuate the property.
"We've got to pick up everything and move," said Mr Coldham. "They could be out for six months to a year."
He said there were concerns the building might collapse. :shock:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-20626908

EDIT: This is the first mention of a Denehole in this thread!
so, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denehole
 
rynner2 said:
Hole in Blackshots Lane, Grays, prompts evacuation
...
The cause of the problem is a denehole, an underground gap left by chalk excavation in 17th Century.
...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-20626908

EDIT: This is the first mention of a Denehole in this thread!
so, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denehole

In fact, it's the only mention of a denehole on the whole MB!
(I thought it might have cropped up on an archaeological thread sometime.)

"Deneholes" are marked on the OS map of Grays, just East of the roundabout at the south end of Blackshots Lane - don't think I've noticed that on an OS map before.
EDIT: In fact that map position is Hangman's Wood, mentioned in the Wiki piece:
There are many underground excavations in the south of England, also found to some extent in the Midlands and the north, but true deneholes are found chiefly in those parts of Kent and Essex along the lower banks of the Thames. With one exception there are no recorded specimens farther east than those of the Grays Thurrock district, situated in Hangman's Wood, on the north, and one near Challock on the south side of the river south of Faversham. Isolated specimens have been discovered in various parts of Kent and Essex, but the most important groups have been found at Grays Thurrock, in the districts of Woolwich, Abbey Wood and Bexley, and at Gravesend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denehole#Distribution
 
Inside the Frozen Deep: Mail on Sunday man is first to be pictured in Britain's biggest cave recently discovered below Cheddar Gorge
By David Rose
PUBLISHED: 22:13, 29 December 2012 | UPDATED: 22:43, 29 December 2012
[With photos and diagram/map]

By the gloomy light of our caving headlamps, it looks like a geological rubbish dump: a brown, muddy chaos of shadowy crevices and boulders – some the size of buses – that fell from the roof. Welcome to The Frozen Deep, the biggest cave chamber in Britain, which has recently been discovered below Cheddar Gorge in Somerset.
By the way, I’m the tiny figure in the middle of the photo standing in the distant white glow at the far wall.
Lit properly for the first time by underground photography specialist Gavin Newman, with five of our team spread out across its vastness holding synchronised flashguns, The Frozen Deep is a wonderland featuring pure white stalactite columns – the 20ft one on the left of the picture is the country’s longest.

The Frozen Deep is at the far end of a cave system known as Reservoir Hole. It has been explored by cavers since 1951, but no one had ventured beyond an apparently impenetrable rockfall at the end of its main tunnel, which is called the Grand Gallery.
However, a strong draught blowing from the cracks between the boulders suggested that if a way through could somehow be found, there must be more open cavern.

In early 2008, Dr Pete Glanvill, 61, a retired GP and a doyen of the local caving scene, put a team together to take up the challenge.
Armed with hammers, crowbars, drills, explosives and a large quantity of scaffolding, the team probed various blind alleys in search of the elusive chamber.
Finally they began to push at the right spot. With a series of successive breakthroughs starting earlier this year, they reached the end of a squirm they dubbed Hard Times to became the first humans to enter Resurrection, a massive open rift.
That week Glanvill happened to be on holiday. ‘They waited for me to get back before they went down into the chamber,’ he said. ‘I thought that was pretty decent of them.’

It takes a little time to appreciate just how big this chamber is.
To get from one end to the other takes close to ten minutes, in part because one has to follow a circuitous route laid between strips of fluorescent tape in order to avoid damaging the unique crystals and cracked mud floors.
The floor area is almost 32,291 square feet – big enough to fit in about six of the naves of nearby Wells Cathedral. Measured by volume, The Frozen Deep is almost 1,412 million cubic feet, against the cathedral’s 388,000 cubic feet.

Its discovery may not be the end of Reservoir Hole’s secrets. At the lowest part of the chamber, a small stream flows down a muddy passage that the team called Dingley Dell and into a pit, where the roof dips beneath the water’s surface.
Preliminary dives have established that the passage continues underwater, and appears to join a much bigger tunnel. At this point, Reservoir Hole is very close to Cheddar’s ‘lost river’ – the massive borehole bearing the River Yeo, a major underground watercourse that emerges at the bottom of the gorge.
In the Nineties, cave divers explored it for more than half a mile, but eventually reached a blockage. ‘The hope now is to get back to the river upstream of that point via Reservoir Hole,’ said team member Martin Grass, 57.

If that happens, perhaps in the next few weeks, it may well be possible to find links with some of the other already-known underground chambers and caves on top of the Mendip Hills, some of them miles away.
Potentially, The Frozen Deep may turn out to be just a part of one of the greatest cave systems in Europe.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2GX3QqjDV
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Pleased to see they have a Dingley Dell in there! 8)
 
Underground tunnel Notts

Thought I might put the following down for the purposes of your Fortean amusement!

About 22 years ago I was friendly with a family who were lucky enough to be provided with a lodge from the Welbeck Estate, one of about five (if memory serves) that run along one side of Carburton lake. Picture of one here: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2750749.

The mother of the family had told me about finding a locked door in the cellar of the house and I think that this scared her to some degree and was not investigated. However, sometime later whilst digging a vegetable patch in the garden behind the house they discovered a long stone set level in the ground, on clearing around the stone they discovered another and realised that they were the top steps to a stone staircase approximately six feet wide.

They continued excavating the steps over the next few weeks only to discover a subterranean wall pierced by another locked door….. Curiosity got the better of them this time and it was opened to reveal a tunnel which led back to the lodge (unfortunately I cannot now remember how long said tunnel was or if I was ever told, but it must have been perhaps a hundred feet or more judging by the distance where the exterior entrance was uncovered). On venturing inside they found several rooms along one side of the tunnel, each with a single window, with the bottom ledge around chest height, between tunnel and room but no evidence of a door, nor sign that there had ever been one!

Eventually, although a little nervously because it was only rented, they asked the manager who oversaw the lodges if he knew anything about the tunnel and doorless adjoining rooms: “Oh yes, that’s the underground piggeries” he replied.

A doorless piggery?

This was yet another occasion when I could have seen something which I would have found fascinating but failed to make the most of the opportunity despite the fact that I drove past the house many times!

Welbeck abbey (and particularly the 5th duke of Portland [1800-1879]) are interesting areas of research, the 5th Duke apparently punished his staff by making them skate until exhausted on his own ice rink and “When the duke died, his heirs found all of the above ground rooms devoid of furniture except for one chamber in the middle of which sat the duke’s commode. The main hall was mysteriously floorless. Most of the rooms were painted pink. The one upstairs room in which the duke resided was packed to the ceiling with hundreds of green boxes, each of which contained a single dark brown wig.” *.

*. http://www.leisuregallery.ca/leisure_le ... t-bentinck

http://everything2.com/user/aneurin/wri ... f+Portland
 
“When the duke died, his heirs found all of the above ground rooms devoid of furniture except for one chamber in the middle of which sat the duke’s commode. The main hall was mysteriously floorless. Most of the rooms were painted pink. The one upstairs room in which the duke resided was packed to the ceiling with hundreds of green boxes, each of which contained a single dark brown wig.” *.

Ahh! What is is to be British! Other nations just can't compete.
 
Controversial super sewer under London to raise a stink
Thames Water is seeking to upgrade London’s Victorian sewer system with £4.2bn tunnel, writes Jonathan Russell .
By Jonathan Russell
10:00PM GMT 27 Jan 2013

If the bottom of your garden was awash with sewage, your first thought wouldn’t be to build an extension.

Thames Water’s argument in support of its super sewer is simple, emotive and effective. At least once a week raw sewage is dumped into the river Thames. Why then are we prioritising transport and building projects ahead of cleaning up the river? Other major world cities, Stockholm, Vienna and Naples have sorted out similar problems. Why then is London lagging so far behind?

The problem for Thames Water is that the answer to that question is equally simple – £4.2bn. The cost of building the Thames Tideway Tunnel, the deepest, longest and widest sewer the UK has ever seen, is of the same order of magnitude as the Olympics, a third runway for Heathrow or, the inevitable comparison, 10 new hospitals.

To counter the argument that millions of water customers will be asked to stump up £70 extra a year in perpetuity so that a few rowers and David Walliams can avoid the odd tummy bug, Thames Water has been working hard. The company has dragged MPs, campaigners, and, last week, journalists down some of the oldest and newest sewers in London to make its point.
Along with hard hats, white overalls and waders, the visitors have been armed with a flood of statistics on the problems, and solutions, to London’s sewers.

There are 57 sewage overflow points into the Thames which dump 16m tonnes of waste into the river each year. Just 2mm of rain can send enough water surging through London’s Victorian sewage system to trigger an overflow of pollutants into the Thames. Once there the problem does not disappear, instead it flows up and down the river on the tide for up to three months before finally floating out to sea.

When Joseph Bazelgette designed the 100 miles of Victorian sewers that still serve London, the population of the capital was around 2m people. Now it is 8.2m.
“Bazelgette’s system was incredibly well designed,” explains Phil Stride, head of Thames Tideway Tunnel. “There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he created. The bricks, the design, the workmanship have all stood the test of time. The problem is we have outgrown it, by some distance.”

Drop through a manhole in the pavement near Blackfriars Station in the City and the quality of the workmanship is immediately apparent. Not a brick is out of place, the mortar is solid, nothing has crumbled. The air may not be fresh, but the work is. It is like being transported back to the mid 19th century. Nothing has changed, nothing has been added, nothing taken away. Bazelgette’s work has withstood everything London has thrown at it, and proved capable of dealing with everything other than the volume.

But critics of Thames Water’s tunnel would argue that Bazelgette’s interceptor sewers are still doing the work they were designed for.
When the system was first put into use the storm overflows were designed to deposit waste into the Thames once or twice or a year. The sewage outflows are still functioning perfectly, just with a frequency that has gone up 20-fold. Why build a monstrous tunnel under the Thames when the river does the job anyway?

That then is the first argument against the new system. The second is the cost. At £4.2bn for the tunnel that will run from Acton in west London to Abbey Mills in the east, and a further £600m for the Lee tunnel which will make the final connection to Beckton sewage works, the project is massively expensive.

It will involve the creation of a separate company to sit alongside Thames Water, be funded by debt from the private sector and backed by cashflows from customer bills. Achieving funding of this magnitude is no simple matter in the current economic and financial climate – a problem that has led to interest from the Treasury about finding a Government backed solution.

Either way the cost to Thames Water customers, from those in towns outside London that will see no benefit, to those in the capital that will, is huge.
Thames Water argues that the £80 projected annual increase in bills will only take costs to the same level as those in other areas in the south of England. The company also argues that while customers currently benefit from the work and investment of past, largely Victorian, generations, it is future generations that will largely pay for the super sewer.

But before that can happen 24 construction sites will need to be created along, in and over the Thames, many of them in sensitive, residential or recreational areas. The opposition to these works, many of which will be in place for years to come, is stiff, and could be the most difficult hurdle for Thames Water to overcome.

The first major battle in that war will take place in the next few weeks when the Thames Tideway Tunnel goes in front of the Planning Inspectorate looking for the first stage of its planning permission.
Expect it to raise quite a stink.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... stink.html
 
Filling my house with, I think, ginger wigs is top of my to do list when I win the euromillions.......
 
New Crossrail images show tunnelling marathon under the streets of London

New images released by Crossrail show the tunnelling marathon taking place beneath the capital, with round-the-clock work on-track to create 26 miles (42km) of tunnels beneath London.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/pictu ... me=2495552

Picture Gallery: considering it's supposed to be 'underground', it includes quite a few aerial photos too!
 
Great stuff. Thanks for that Ryn!
 
I'm rather surprised we don't hear more about this sort of thing:

Drills break through into busy London rail tunnel

Two construction drills broke through into a railway tunnel in east London on a busy First Capital Connect route.
Services on the Moorgate to Finsbury Park route were stopped after a driver said muddy water had poured on to his roof near Old Street Station.

An hour later, at about 11:00 GMT, two piling drills came through as a train with only a driver and Network Rail manager approached to inspect the area. :shock:

The train operator said a "serious incident" had been averted.
The route on the Northern City line was closed after the incident on Friday morning and will remain closed over the weekend during investigations and while the damage is repaired.
British Transport Police has visited an office construction site located above the tunnel.

First Capital Connect managing director Neal Lawson said: "This was a serious incident that could have ended very differently had it not been for the vigilance and prompt reporting and actions of our drivers.
"We carry two million people a year on the Northern City Line and whoever is responsible for this must be held to account."

Network Rail route managing director Phil Verster said: "Our engineers are on site assessing the damage and we will restore the railway as soon as possible."
It is expected that the route will reopen on Monday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21715329

A bit more than a Silly Mistake on someone's part, methinks!
 
Liverpool's lost Williamson tunnels unearthed
[video]
11 March 2013 Last updated at 00:32

Volunteers in Liverpool are giving up their free time to clear out a mysterious labyrinth of tunnels that lurk beneath the city's Edge Hill area.
The Friends of the Williamson Tunnels are removing the results of decades of Victorian "fly-tipping", hoping one day to expose tunnels which they believe could stretch for miles.

The tunnels were built and conceived in the early 19th century by eccentric businessman Joseph Williamson, who paid soldiers returning from the Napoleonic war to build them. No records were kept of how far they stretch, nor which direction they go in.

After Williamson's death in 1840, the tunnels fell into disrepair. The site currently being cleared was filled with over 100 years' worth of ash and debris from a local bakery.

BBC News was given a tour by volunteers who explained why they are so intrigued by Williamson's weird and wonderful world.

Video Journalist: Dan Curtis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21595625
 
Ey arr! Dem tunnels go all der way to Dublin were we'll cum out and give yer a Kirkby Kiss la!*


*They don't. I'm one of the volunteers there. We're not mutants... yet..
 
rjmrjmrjm said:
Ey arr! Dem tunnels go all der way to Dublin were we'll cum out and give yer a Kirkby Kiss la!*


*They don't. I'm one of the volunteers there. We're not mutants... yet..

You just haven't found the mutants yet. Wait: have any of your volunteers gone missing?
 
rjmrjmrjm said:
Ey arr! Dem tunnels go all der way to Dublin were we'll cum out and give yer a Kirkby Kiss la!*


*They don't. I'm one of the volunteers there. We're not mutants... yet..

Woow, we saw the tunnel on the BBC Northwest news! I'd read about it but it was really fascinating to see it at last. Hats off to rjmrjmrjm for getting stuck in there!

Here's the website, which rjmrjmrjm will know all about.

I'm looking hard at those strapping volunteers - do any look particularly Fortean to you? ;)

Edit - Here's the news report we saw.
 
I am not a great fan of this thread. Far too much stuff gets dumped here just because, at one point, or another, it was underground. This thread should be specifically about subjects notable for their undergroundness, like mysterious tunnels, strange subterranean rumblings, etc. Still all a bit vague.

Moved Rynner's post about uncovered, black death plague pit, to the, Black Death Plague, thread.

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1308253#1308253

P_M
 
Would it be suitable to rename this thread, "Underground Structures"?

Tunnels, residences, whole streets, below ground....
 
:D

Great stuff. May have to pop over and do some stalking. ;)
 
We could visit! :D

I'll wear my Burberry cap. ;)
 
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