Severed Leg (And Feet) Mysteries
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Seems there's a whole body in the bin. It's now not clear whether the foot was severed or not.
Man sought over body found in bin
Detectives are trying to trace a 33-year-old man after a woman's body was found in a wheelie bin in Surrey.
Police were called to Hamilton Avenue, Cobham, at 1520 BST on Saturday after a foot was seen sticking out of the green bin in front of the house.
The body of a white woman, believed to be in her 30s, was discovered surrounded by rubbish.
Police are trying to trace Peter Wallner, who moved out of the house about three weeks ago.
A Surrey Police spokesman said he "may be able to provide useful information for the investigation".
He is described as a heavy-built white man with broad shoulders, about 6ft (1.8m) tall, with slightly receding brown cropped hair and brown eyes.
House-to-house inquiries and a full search of the area are being carried out.
A post-mortem examination is being carried out at the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford.
Residents in the area said they were shocked by the discovery.
One woman told BBC News: "It's a very quiet place, it's where you bring up your family.
"I've lived here for 30-odd years and it's the first thing like this that's happened."
She added: "It's quite scary. You think of it as being a safe place, but when you hear of a body being found it's shocking."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/surrey/8087642.stm
Man sought over body found in bin
Detectives are trying to trace a 33-year-old man after a woman's body was found in a wheelie bin in Surrey.
Police were called to Hamilton Avenue, Cobham, at 1520 BST on Saturday after a foot was seen sticking out of the green bin in front of the house.
The body of a white woman, believed to be in her 30s, was discovered surrounded by rubbish.
Police are trying to trace Peter Wallner, who moved out of the house about three weeks ago.
A Surrey Police spokesman said he "may be able to provide useful information for the investigation".
He is described as a heavy-built white man with broad shoulders, about 6ft (1.8m) tall, with slightly receding brown cropped hair and brown eyes.
House-to-house inquiries and a full search of the area are being carried out.
A post-mortem examination is being carried out at the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford.
Residents in the area said they were shocked by the discovery.
One woman told BBC News: "It's a very quiet place, it's where you bring up your family.
"I've lived here for 30-odd years and it's the first thing like this that's happened."
She added: "It's quite scary. You think of it as being a safe place, but when you hear of a body being found it's shocking."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/surrey/8087642.stm
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Police manhunt over dismembered body in suburban wheelie bin
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A husband is being hunted by police after the decomposing body of a woman was found in a wheelie bin in a quiet suburban street.
Peter Wallner, 33, has not been seen since the badly decomposed body of a white women in her thirties was found hidden among rubbish in Cobham, Surrey, on Saturday afternoon.
Mr Wallner, from Germany, had been living in the semi-detached house with his wife Melanie but she has not been seen for about a year. Neighbours said that another woman with a baby had moved into the threebedroom property after Mrs Wallner left. Mr Wallner moved out of the address three weeks ago and it is not known where he is, say detectives.
He is described as white and heavily built with broad shoulders, about 6ft tall with slightly receding, brown, cropped hair and brown eyes.
A spokesman for Surrey Police said: “Scenes of crime officers carefully emptied the bin to preserve forensic opportunities, recovering the body of a white woman, believed to be in her thirties, which had been surrounded by rubbish.” A description of Mr Wallner has been circulated to forces across Britain and the Continent.
Police were called to the semidetached house occupied by Mr Wallner when a human foot was spotted protruding from the green wheelie bin.
A neighbour said that Mr Wallner and his wife appeared to have split up and she moved out more than a year ago.
The 42-year-old woman, who asked not to be named, said: “He would often sit outside in his shorts. For a while there was another woman living there who would breast-feed a baby on the steps.” The neighbour also saw the wheelie bin on its side on the driveway shortly before police were called. “The binmen come on Fridays around here but it wouldn’t have been collected because they won’t come down the path — you have to put it out on the pavement. It could have been there for three weeks.”
The police spokesman said: “Detectives are focusing their inquiries on locating a previous resident of the address where the body was found, who may be able to provide useful information for the investigation.”
A post-mortem examination, car- ried out at the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford, found that the woman had suffered a serious head injury but no clear conclusion could be made about the cause of death. She had been dead for at least three weeks. The body was intact but badly decomposed.
Mr Wallner was a chef but had been unemployed for some time. He married in 2001 but separated soon after and had since had several girlfriends.
Police were interviewing Mr Wallner’s friends and former work colleagues last night. They believe there is a strong possibility that he has already left the country and may have more than one passport.
Mr Wallner had been head chef at the Oak Room restaurant of the Woodlands Park Hotel in Cobham but left more than six months ago. A hotel spokesman said: “This is a matter for the police.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 450728.ece
David Brown
A husband is being hunted by police after the decomposing body of a woman was found in a wheelie bin in a quiet suburban street.
Peter Wallner, 33, has not been seen since the badly decomposed body of a white women in her thirties was found hidden among rubbish in Cobham, Surrey, on Saturday afternoon.
Mr Wallner, from Germany, had been living in the semi-detached house with his wife Melanie but she has not been seen for about a year. Neighbours said that another woman with a baby had moved into the threebedroom property after Mrs Wallner left. Mr Wallner moved out of the address three weeks ago and it is not known where he is, say detectives.
He is described as white and heavily built with broad shoulders, about 6ft tall with slightly receding, brown, cropped hair and brown eyes.
A spokesman for Surrey Police said: “Scenes of crime officers carefully emptied the bin to preserve forensic opportunities, recovering the body of a white woman, believed to be in her thirties, which had been surrounded by rubbish.” A description of Mr Wallner has been circulated to forces across Britain and the Continent.
Police were called to the semidetached house occupied by Mr Wallner when a human foot was spotted protruding from the green wheelie bin.
A neighbour said that Mr Wallner and his wife appeared to have split up and she moved out more than a year ago.
The 42-year-old woman, who asked not to be named, said: “He would often sit outside in his shorts. For a while there was another woman living there who would breast-feed a baby on the steps.” The neighbour also saw the wheelie bin on its side on the driveway shortly before police were called. “The binmen come on Fridays around here but it wouldn’t have been collected because they won’t come down the path — you have to put it out on the pavement. It could have been there for three weeks.”
The police spokesman said: “Detectives are focusing their inquiries on locating a previous resident of the address where the body was found, who may be able to provide useful information for the investigation.”
A post-mortem examination, car- ried out at the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford, found that the woman had suffered a serious head injury but no clear conclusion could be made about the cause of death. She had been dead for at least three weeks. The body was intact but badly decomposed.
Mr Wallner was a chef but had been unemployed for some time. He married in 2001 but separated soon after and had since had several girlfriends.
Police were interviewing Mr Wallner’s friends and former work colleagues last night. They believe there is a strong possibility that he has already left the country and may have more than one passport.
Mr Wallner had been head chef at the Oak Room restaurant of the Woodlands Park Hotel in Cobham but left more than six months ago. A hotel spokesman said: “This is a matter for the police.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 450728.ece
(I don't post on here very often but I wanted to say something about the severed feet!)
My dad's friend had a yacht and one day severed one of his feet. It happened very easily - he didn't realise some rope was round his ankle, and as the yacht sailed away from the harbour, the rope tightened and lobbed off his foot. His wife ran to the nearest pub and put the severed foot in an ice bucket, but it couldn't be sewn back on.
My thinking is that the severed feet that turn up belong to sailors who've had a similarly unfortunate altercation with rope on boats, but that the foot went overboard so they didn't have a chance to try to save it.
My dad's friend had a yacht and one day severed one of his feet. It happened very easily - he didn't realise some rope was round his ankle, and as the yacht sailed away from the harbour, the rope tightened and lobbed off his foot. His wife ran to the nearest pub and put the severed foot in an ice bucket, but it couldn't be sewn back on.
My thinking is that the severed feet that turn up belong to sailors who've had a similarly unfortunate altercation with rope on boats, but that the foot went overboard so they didn't have a chance to try to save it.
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:shock: What a terrible thing to happen.
Did the foot have a shoe on? That's supposed to help preserve seagoing severed feet.
Though of course, as this one was retrieved there was no chance of it floating away and becoming another mystery of the deep.
Did the foot have a shoe on? That's supposed to help preserve seagoing severed feet.
Though of course, as this one was retrieved there was no chance of it floating away and becoming another mystery of the deep.
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There are five ropes on a full rigged ship: bell-rope, foot-rope, and three others I forget atm!escargot1 said:I'm also waiting for Rynner's lecture on the fact that there are no ropes on a boat, only lines, except of course for the bell-rope. :lol:
(There are no sails either of course, just sheets.
All the other lines have specialist names describing their purpose, eg halliards, warps, stays, and sheets.
So a sheet is a line, not a sail!
But there are more sails than ropes. Getting back on topic, I too knew a man who lost his foot in a similar manner. His foot was caught in a turn of rope, part of which had fallen overboard and got caught in the propellor. Before the engine could be knocked out of gear the rope tightened and - eek! His wife too tried to save the foot, but to no avail. He was the skipper of a Thames sailing barge, which just goes to show that accidents can still happen, however experienced you are.
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Here is a a similar historic story of a severed arm.
Use the large format to read the description.
It's almost surreal in it's objectivity.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kintzertorium/2934078070/
Use the large format to read the description.
It's almost surreal in it's objectivity.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kintzertorium/2934078070/
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rynner2 said:There are five ropes on a full rigged ship: bell-rope, foot-rope, and three others I forget atm!
All the other lines have specialist names describing their purpose, eg halliards, warps, stays, and sheets.
So a sheet is a line, not a sail!
Good job I'm not a sailor. By the time I'd learned all that the boat'd've sunk and I'd've drowned.
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Personally, I think it's a concerted attempt to stop them making Strictly Come Dancing. Admittedly, it'll be a long haul but we'll get there eventually...sorry, THEY'LL get there eventually.
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Fascinating, Captain!rynner2 said:There are five ropes on a full rigged ship: bell-rope, foot-rope, and three others I forget atm!escargot1 said:I'm also waiting for Rynner's lecture on the fact that there are no ropes on a boat, only lines, except of course for the bell-rope. :lol:
(There are no sails either of course, just sheets.
All the other lines have specialist names describing their purpose, eg halliards, warps, stays, and sheets.
So a sheet is a line, not a sail!
Now, send the steward down with some gin, there's a good chap.
Back OT again, I also know a bloke who lost his foot in a boat accident, but this was on a barge on a canal going through Birmingham. Basically, and prosaically, he got his foot crushed between the barge and a tunnel wall, and as he was (daftly) only wearing flip-flops he didn't have a chance. I doubt if it would have been pristine if found, though, and wasn't completely severed (doesn't go any further as hasn't had breakfast yet, and it's all coming back to him, and ... uurrrghhh...)
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Eighth severed foot washes up on Canada's Pacific coast
A severed foot has washed up on the shores of Canada's Pacific coast, in the eighth such incident in two years, police said on Thursday.
Published: 6:46PM GMT 29 Oct 2009
The foot, in a size 8.5 white Nike running shoe, was discovered on Tuesday by two men walking on a beach in a suburb of Vancouver, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said in a statement.
The British Columbia coroners' office is conducting a forensic autopsy and other tests to try to match it to missing persons, police said.
Seven feet were previously found along the rugged coast of British Columbia province and the neighbouring US state of Washington, including one later determined to have belonged to a missing man who was depressed. The other feet discovered include a female pair, a male pair and a male right foot.
DNA testing has not yet determined the identities of the others, said police.
Scientists say the feet could have drifted dozens or thousands of miles because human body parts can remain intact in water for years when protected by shoes or sturdy clothing.
"There has been no evidence to date to support foul play in relation to these discoveries and it appears that all remains separated from the body, disarticulated, through a natural process," police said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... coast.html
A severed foot has washed up on the shores of Canada's Pacific coast, in the eighth such incident in two years, police said on Thursday.
Published: 6:46PM GMT 29 Oct 2009
The foot, in a size 8.5 white Nike running shoe, was discovered on Tuesday by two men walking on a beach in a suburb of Vancouver, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said in a statement.
The British Columbia coroners' office is conducting a forensic autopsy and other tests to try to match it to missing persons, police said.
Seven feet were previously found along the rugged coast of British Columbia province and the neighbouring US state of Washington, including one later determined to have belonged to a missing man who was depressed. The other feet discovered include a female pair, a male pair and a male right foot.
DNA testing has not yet determined the identities of the others, said police.
Scientists say the feet could have drifted dozens or thousands of miles because human body parts can remain intact in water for years when protected by shoes or sturdy clothing.
"There has been no evidence to date to support foul play in relation to these discoveries and it appears that all remains separated from the body, disarticulated, through a natural process," police said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... coast.html
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May as well add this here:
Mystery surrounds brutal murder of Geeta Aulakh
Police rule out stranger attack but reject honour killing theory despite misgivings by Asian women's groups
Sandra Laville and Peter Walker guardian.co.uk, Friday 20 November 2009
Every day, staff at Sunrise Radio were greeted with a smile from Geeta Aulakh, the receptionist who had dreamed as a young girl of working for the first independent 24-hour Asian station.
For four days this week, her chair has been empty and, in a painful series of conversations, her colleagues have been sharing glimpses she gave them of the pain hidden beneath her warmth.
It is in the particularly horrific death of Aulakh that the secrets of her life are emerging. Police believe what spilled out on to the street in Greenford, west London, on Monday evening was the violent culmination of something hidden in Aulakh's recent past.
Senior sources believe the 28-year-old was held down by more than one assailant and struck repeatedly with either a sabre or a machete as she went to pick up her two sons from their childminder. Aulakh was just 100 metres away from her young children, on a quiet street lined with unremarkable postwar terraced houses, where residents fear burglary or car crime, not the sort of scene they experienced that night.
The Guardian understands that detectives have been given a detailed account of the attack by a handful of key witnesses.
In the frenzied assault, Aulakh was struck repeatedly around the head with the sabre-like weapon. She fought for her life, sustaining a serious wound to her right hand which severed it from her arm, leading to speculation that it was cut off deliberately in some sort of religious ritual. The suggestion is a distraction, sources say. The wound was a classic defence injury against an assault with a long, extremely sharp weapon.
etc...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/2 ... -greenford
(My current reading is a crime story about a severed foot...)
Mystery surrounds brutal murder of Geeta Aulakh
Police rule out stranger attack but reject honour killing theory despite misgivings by Asian women's groups
Sandra Laville and Peter Walker guardian.co.uk, Friday 20 November 2009
Every day, staff at Sunrise Radio were greeted with a smile from Geeta Aulakh, the receptionist who had dreamed as a young girl of working for the first independent 24-hour Asian station.
For four days this week, her chair has been empty and, in a painful series of conversations, her colleagues have been sharing glimpses she gave them of the pain hidden beneath her warmth.
It is in the particularly horrific death of Aulakh that the secrets of her life are emerging. Police believe what spilled out on to the street in Greenford, west London, on Monday evening was the violent culmination of something hidden in Aulakh's recent past.
Senior sources believe the 28-year-old was held down by more than one assailant and struck repeatedly with either a sabre or a machete as she went to pick up her two sons from their childminder. Aulakh was just 100 metres away from her young children, on a quiet street lined with unremarkable postwar terraced houses, where residents fear burglary or car crime, not the sort of scene they experienced that night.
The Guardian understands that detectives have been given a detailed account of the attack by a handful of key witnesses.
In the frenzied assault, Aulakh was struck repeatedly around the head with the sabre-like weapon. She fought for her life, sustaining a serious wound to her right hand which severed it from her arm, leading to speculation that it was cut off deliberately in some sort of religious ritual. The suggestion is a distraction, sources say. The wound was a classic defence injury against an assault with a long, extremely sharp weapon.
etc...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/2 ... -greenford
(My current reading is a crime story about a severed foot...)
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The latest about this case.
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Human foot discovered on beach in Cleethorpes
A human foot has been found on a beach in North East Lincolnshire.
It was found on Cleethorpes beach, near to Meridian Point, off Kings Road on Wednesday by a member of the public.
Police officers removed the foot from the scene and it was taken to a local mortuary for examination.
Officers are checking missing person files as well as carrying out searches on the beach in the area where the foot was found.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-10958228
A human foot has been found on a beach in North East Lincolnshire.
It was found on Cleethorpes beach, near to Meridian Point, off Kings Road on Wednesday by a member of the public.
Police officers removed the foot from the scene and it was taken to a local mortuary for examination.
Officers are checking missing person files as well as carrying out searches on the beach in the area where the foot was found.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-10958228
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This is the latest I can find:escargot1 said:We'll need more information than that if we're to speculate gruesomely.
Foot found on Cleethorpes beach remains a grisly mystery
THE origins of a human foot found on Cleethorpes beach by a walker continues to baffle police.
The gruesome discovery was made by a member of the public as they walked on the beach at the rear of the Boating Lake, opposite Meridian Point.
Yesterday, about ten police officers carried out a detailed search of the stretch of beach, off Kings Road, in the hunt for clues as to who the foot belongs to and how it came to be on the sand.
It is understood the foot, found on Wednesday evening at 6.25pm, could have been washed up after being in the water for some time.
A police spokesman said the foot was taken to the local mortuary for forensic examination in the hope of providing some clues.
He said inquiries are now under way to identify any possible missing people in and around the region to whom the body part may belong. Beach safety officers helped to keep walkers away from the scene as police scoured the area yesterday afternoon.
A police helicopter circled above and police horses and search dogs were also used.
The marine unit was called in to carry out an underwater search of the area. Crowds gathered but many had no idea of the ghastly discovery.
Watching the drama unfold were Adrian Attwood, 46 and Yvette Sales, 29, who were visiting the resort from Rotherham with their dogs.
Adrian said: "We saw the helicopter circulating and it was flying really low, about 50ft above the sand. It flew up and down and then dropped a man off. There was about 10 policemen and search dogs.
"We actually wondered if a body had been found because they were obviously a searching for something."
Yvette said: "I am completely shocked. It looks like there is a huge mystery behind it, it could have come from anywhere."
Chris, 29, and Emma Owen, 27, of Cambridge Street, Cleethorpes, frequently walk along the beach.
Emma said: "You just don't expect something like that to happen in a little seaside town like Cleethorpes."
Alison Varah, 26, from Nunsthorpe, said she felt for the person who found it.
Her friend, Claire Smith, 21, also from Nunsthorpe, said it made her think twice about going on the beach.
However, shocked day tripper Lyndsey Carr, 27, from Doncaster, said: "I am glad I wasn't on the beach when they found it – I would have run a mile – but it would never put me off coming to the beach. I have been coming since I was a kid."
It is not the first time startling discoveries have been made on the beach.
In February, a dead cow from Selby had washed ashore and in 2004 a headless deer was found along the Fitties. 8)
A police spokesperson said: "At this time no identification of the foot has been established and police and forensic officers from the force will be working together in their enquiries."
http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/news/Dis ... ticle.html
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Cannibalism has alkways been rife in yhat part of the country. I'm surprised thry left a leg.
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I just saw the first episode of William Shatner's "Weird or What?" which was actually better than I thought it would be.
The severed feet mystery was one of the things covered.
It turns out, after forensic examination that they were not victims of being dismembered but rather the result of natural decomposition - the tendons giving way after the bodies having been devoured by sea creatures.
The left two possible explanations:
Suicidal people jumping off nearby bridges - possible but unlikely due to the currents.
Tsunami victims from the Boxing Day one - but the first feet washed up three years after the event. And according to Oceanographers, it would take much longer for them to get there.
But still - at least a theory why this is happening over the past few years and why none of the DNA retrieved matched any missing persons in Canada. Also, one of the shoes found was only ever sold in India suggesting an Asian connection.
The severed feet mystery was one of the things covered.
It turns out, after forensic examination that they were not victims of being dismembered but rather the result of natural decomposition - the tendons giving way after the bodies having been devoured by sea creatures.
The left two possible explanations:
Suicidal people jumping off nearby bridges - possible but unlikely due to the currents.
Tsunami victims from the Boxing Day one - but the first feet washed up three years after the event. And according to Oceanographers, it would take much longer for them to get there.
But still - at least a theory why this is happening over the past few years and why none of the DNA retrieved matched any missing persons in Canada. Also, one of the shoes found was only ever sold in India suggesting an Asian connection.
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