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that's so strange.... I have been following the case but I have not heard of this... is this a common knowledge and around the forum?
I love it. Fox News accidentally uncovers something - and immediately drops it again.Those dancing Israelis in New Jersey has always been mystery. Got to suspect they were Mossad agents who has known about the hijacking plans for a time already, but did not inform the US government, or the Mossad has brainwashed arabs to do the attack.
Rather dodgy source there. The founder of Mintpressnews, Mnar Muhawesh, is a supporter of Syrian dictator Assad and allegedly received sponsorship money from him.In light of my earlier posts about the dancing Israelis...
The Dancing Israelis: FBI Docs Shed Light on Apparent Mossad Foreknowledge of 9/11 Attacks
As another 9/11 anniversary comes and goes, many questions surrounding the events remain unanswered. MintPress brings you a freshly updated article, originally published in May, 2019 that seeks answers to some of those questions.
by Whitney Webb
September 10th, 2019
By Whitney Webb Whitney Webb @_whitneywebb
NEW YORK — For nearly two decades, one of the most overlooked and little known arrests made in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks was that of the so-called “High Fivers,” or the “Dancing Israelis.” However, new information released by the FBI on May 7 has brought fresh scrutiny to the possibility that the “Dancing Israelis,” at least two of whom were known Mossad operatives, had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center.
Shortly after 8:46 a.m. on the day of the attacks, just minutes after the first plane struck the World Trade Center, five men — later revealed to be Israeli nationals — had positioned themselves in the parking lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where they were seen taking pictures and filming the attacks while also celebrating the destruction of the towers and “high fiving” each other. At least one eyewitness interviewed by the FBI had seen the Israelis’ van in the parking lot as early as 8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack. The story received coverage in U.S. mainstream media at the time but has since been largely forgotten.
The men — Sivan Kurzberg, Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Yaron Shimuel and Omar Marmari — were subsequently apprehended by law enforcement and claimed to be Israeli tourists on a “working holiday” in the United States where they were employed by a moving company, Urban Moving Systems. Upon his arrest, Sivan Kurzberg told the arresting officer, “We are Israeli; we are not your problem. Your problems are our problems, The Palestinians are the problem.”
For years, the official story has been that these individuals, while they had engaged in “immature” behavior by celebrating and being “visibly happy” in their documenting of the attacks, had no prior knowledge of the attack. However, newly released FBI copies of the photos taken by the five Israelis strongly suggest that these individuals had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center. The copies of the photos were obtained via a FOIA request made by a private citizen.
A high-quality photo, top, shows the area the dancing Israelis were staged. Credit | Panamza
According to a former high-ranking American intelligence official who spoke to the Jewish Daily Forward in 2002, the FBI concluded in its investigation that the five Israelis arrested “were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, NJ, served as a front.” At least two of the men arrested were determined to have direct links to the Mossad after their names appeared in a CIA-FBI database of foreign intelligence operatives. According to one of their lawyers, one of the men, Paul Kurzberg, had previously worked for the Mossad in another country prior to arriving in the United States. Another of those arrested, Oded Ellner, subsequently stated on Israeli TV that the five Israelis had been in New York at the time “to document the event,” meaning the attack on the World Trade Center.
The FOIA release of the photos is notable because responses to prior FOIA requests to the Department of Justice, which oversees the FBI, had previously claimed that all of the photos taken by the Israeli nationals had been destroyed in January 2014. The photos themselves are heavily redacted, making it impossible to see the Israelis’ facial expressions. However, previously declassified yet heavily redacted FBI reports state that the Israelis are “visibly happy” in nearly every photo, even when the burning towers are in the background. The photos released are also not original copies and instead appear to be photocopies of photocopies of the original pictures. In addition, of the original 76 pictures developed by authorities from the camera in the Israelis’ possession, only 14 were released.
Even more information can be found on https://www.mintpressnews.com/newly-released-fbi-docs-shed-light-on-apparent-mossad-foreknowledge-of-9-11-attacks/258581/
Both the towers collapsed in a straight-downwards sort of way. That amount of weight dropping into a relatively small area of land. This must have been a localised earth tremor - did anything pick it up as anything registering on the richter scale? Building Seven might have been triggered by earth movement,, harmonics, and resonance? Although - argument against - why was this the only one?There has never been a satisfactory explanation as to why building 7 collapsed.
It wasn't hit by anything; except, perhaps, a few bits coming of the other buildings.
In the contemporary footage of the event it is clear that hardly any smoke was coming from building 7. If you compare it with other tower block fires that billow huge clouds of smoke, it seems odd.
one has to wonder why they couldn't simply have gone into building 7 and extinguished whatever fire was burning right at the beginning.
Swifty is right, the hole in the Pentagon wall didn't match what was supposed to have happened. Particularly when you consider the spacing of the engines and the fact that the wings would have been almost full of fuel. No raging fire.
Here is a crumb for the conspiracy bods. Maybe the plane that was brought down before it arrived was supposed to hit building 7. But didn't get that far.
The Richter Scale is specifically designed to measure seismic disturbances from below (ground upward), so technically it doesn't apply directly to seismic disturbances caused by impact from above. Having said that ...Both the towers collapsed in a straight-downwards sort of way. That amount of weight dropping into a relatively small area of land. This must have been a localised earth tremor - did anything pick it up as anything registering on the richter scale? ...
Both these issues have been discussed at length in this and other threads.I have a whacky personal theory about why the WTC came down so perfectly in its own foot print, to me it would make sense when building mega story skyscrapers to build in demolition charges that could drop them straight down in the event of serious damage that would over wise have them fall at an angle taking out several blocks of buildings, now if this was true it could not be admitted for fear of terrorists using them. Maybe the charges in building 7 got detonated by accident ? As I said whacky and out there but no less than some others.
Not all that wacky! I've always thought that the way the building collapses is pretty much identical to the way a demolished-on-purpose building collapses.I have a whacky personal theory about why the WTC came down so perfectly in its own foot print, to me it would make sense when building mega story skyscrapers to build in demolition charges that could drop them straight down in the event of serious damage that would over wise have them fall at an angle taking out several blocks of buildings, now if this was true it could not be admitted for fear of terrorists using them. Maybe the charges in building 7 got detonated by accident ? As I said whacky and out there but no less than some others.
Well I suppose the Grenfell Tower fire was on the outside of the building fuelled by the cladding. The 9/11 fires were on the inside of the towers, aviation fuel and burning office materials spread over several floors, down elevator shafts and into the very heart of the buildings already weakened by impacts from a 737.Not really, it was the fire that did for the towers. Grenfell burnt for a lot longer. But was built of different material.
A lot of Grenfell ended up on the inside too and burnt for a very long time.Well I suppose the Grenfell Tower fire was on the outside of the building fuelled by the cladding. The 9/11 fires were on the inside of the towers, aviation fuel and burning office materials spread over several floors, down elevator shafts and into the very heart of the buildings already weakened by impacts from a 737.
Wasn't that why the Fire Brigade said residents should stay in their own homes as each flat was its own fire cell?A lot of Grenfell ended up on the inside too and burnt for a very long time.
Quote from the article I linked to. ‘The apartment block was built in the early 1970s at a time when strict new building regulations had come into effect to ensure high rises would not fall down in the event of a blast or major fire. The regulations were introduced following a deadly gas explosion at the Ronan Point high-rise in East London. It marks the only time a block of flats in London has collapsed.
Emeritus professor of structural engineering at Newcastle University, Dr John Knapton, who advised insurers Lloyds of London in the wake of the Twin Towers terrorist attack, said:
“I don’t think this building will collapse because in 1968, a block of flats at Ronan Point in East London partly collapsed as a result of a gas explosion in a kitchen,” The Telegraph reported.
“As a result of that, the design of tower blocks in the UK changed from about 1971 onwards.” From then on, the design had to allow for an explosion or a fire to remove part of the supporting structure and for the building to remain standing.’
Probably but the fire didn’t act as it was supposed to.Wasn't that why the Fire Brigade said residents should stay in their own homes as each flat was its own fire cell?
The floors of the WTC towers were all open plan.
No. These two buildings were constructed using very different techniques or approaches. The conventional rigid internal architecture of the Grenfell Tower simply can't be scaled up to build something the height of the former WTC towers.... There would be more open plan in office. I do wonder if the towers had had the same structure (concrete) as Grenfell if it would have faired better. ...