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9/11: The September 11th World Trade Center Attacks

Yithian said:
Somewhat surprisingly, unseen and good quality footage of the second plane crashing has surfaced.


I haven't yet had a chance to research the ins and outs of who filmed it and why it has gone unseen, but it's certainly arresting.
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I don't subscribe to the 911 conspiracies however I find it hard to believe this crystal clear footage of the second plane has only just surfaced as it contains crucial information about the flight path etc. Is someone trying to take credit for a video already known to the authorities and did you discover anything more about the origin of this video?
 
WeirdExeter said:
I don't subscribe to the 911 conspiracies however I find it hard to believe this crystal clear footage of the second plane has only just surfaced as it contains crucial information about the flight path etc. Is someone trying to take credit for a video already known to the authorities and did you discover anything more about the origin of this video?
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No, only the repeated claim that it was new 'to the public', which is not the same as saying that it has only just been discovered.
 
I watched a little of this - still PTSD - and it looks as though it could be real just in NYC terms. The people are too far away to be cowering away from debris. The boat's behavior is not expected; the ferry would have returned very fast to its dock, which was nowhere near the WTC, and then stood by to assist police boats and then begin the evacuation. The captain could have been on his radio requesting instructions like the rest of the city. Many of the captains are navy vets. I'm not very knowledgeable on uploads, but I suppose the guy could have taken it down and refreshed it a little and re-posted. My bigger question is that I don't see the point of questioning it. It doesn't present anything new, it doesn't intend to prove that the buildings were attacked by little green men, the poster is not some emotionally-disturbed person trying to make a point about disagreeing with anyone. What's the issue? Is it an issue only for people whose personal hobby is claiming that it didn't happen? Perhaps it would be more useful to have a thread on "People who milk public events for personal attention" and post it all there, although I'm not at all convinced it belongs there.
 
Lb8535 said:
I watched a little of this - still PTSD - and it looks as though it could be real just in NYC terms. The people are too far away to be cowering away from debris. The boat's behavior is not expected; the ferry would have returned very fast to its dock, which was nowhere near the WTC, and then stood by to assist police boats and then begin the evacuation. The captain could have been on his radio requesting instructions like the rest of the city. Many of the captains are navy vets. I'm not very knowledgeable on uploads, but I suppose the guy could have taken it down and refreshed it a little and re-posted. My bigger question is that I don't see the point of questioning it. It doesn't present anything new, it doesn't intend to prove that the buildings were attacked by little green men, the poster is not some emotionally-disturbed person trying to make a point about disagreeing with anyone. What's the issue? Is it an issue only for people whose personal hobby is claiming that it didn't happen? Perhaps it would be more useful to have a thread on "People who milk public events for personal attention" and post it all there, although I'm not at all convinced it belongs there.
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Took your views on board and have deleted my post
 
There will be footage to come still.
The footage released by NIST can't be all there is. There's definitely some footage no one would want to see somewhere, I'd imagine.
 
Lb8535 said:
You don't have to take it down - it's called a discussion board.
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Thanks, but I feel I would need to know something more beyond speculation based on the comments of his video. If there is anything fraudulent going on then I am sure someone with greater knowledge than me will call him out
 
Another hypnotising documentary, filled with tales of the day.

 
I suffer from vertigo and I have nightmares about leaning out of a building 110 floors above the ground.

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Closure for one family.

The remains of a man who was killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center have been identified more than two decades later.

John Ballantine Niven, 44, was an executive for the insurance firm Aon Risk Services on the 105th floor of tower two when hijackers flew planes into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001.

He was identified through a DNA breakthrough on Thursday as the 1,650th victim of the deadliest attack on American soil.

‘It is certainly emotional for me, and I’m sure many others, to hear many years later that DNA has been found,’ said his wife, Ellen Niven.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/19/september-11-victim-identified-new-york-20144571/?ico=more_text_links
 
Amazon has if for $30 less.

The bad guys don't plan to crash the plane though, they put a nuclear bomb in a fake passenger plane and plan to blow up New York with it.
 
kamalktk said:
Amazon has if for $30 less.

The bad guys don't plan to crash the plane though, they put a nuclear bomb in a fake passenger plane and plan to blow up New York with it.
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If only just noticed that the Titanic's also on that book cover :chuckle:.
 
Swifty said:
This book's claimed to have been published in 1970.

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Osama bin Laden was 13 in 1970. He learned English later in life (aged about 20, IIRC), and may well have had a working knowledge of it earlier.

It’s not impossible that he owned, or at least remembered, this book.

I’m also reminded of the debunked “prediction” of the sinking of the Titanic in the 1898 novel The Wreck of the Titan: Or, Futility.

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ChrisBoardman said:
I suffer from vertigo and I have nightmares about leaning out of a building 110 floors above the ground.

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The most harrowing thing I have ever seen was a clip which looked like this. A man had climbed out of the window and was standing wedged in the space where the vertical columns narrow. All of a sudden he slips and in what seems like slow motion he glides down and away from the building, unable to grab on to anything.

I still have nightmares because of it. In those nightmares I am on different angled ledges or surfaces and begin slipping before falling off the edge.
 
As mentioned, the plot seems to be about detonating a nuke over New York rather than flying into the twin towers. Curiously the plane’s 3rd engine is in front of the guy’s cap so it’s a small model just above his head.

The book is on sale on Amazon for £142.85! Published date is given as 1 Aug 1977 but I’m wondering if that’s a later print as Abebooks has this version with different artwork, published date given as 1970, for the more reasonable price of £12.16 + £31 shipping. No twin towers on this one.

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hunck said:
As mentioned, the plot seems to be about detonating a nuke over New York rather than flying into the twin towers. Curiously the plane’s 3rd engine is in front of the guy’s cap so it’s a small model just above his head.
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He does look like he's slightly flinching back to enable the plane to get past him.
 
Investigators for 9/11 families examine video taken by man with ties to Saudi intelligence referencing a "plan"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayoumi-video-examined-as-september-11-evidence-60-minutes/
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Omar al-Bayoumi, whom the FBI says was an operative of the Saudi intelligence service with close ties to two of the 9/11 hijackers, can be heard on the video, which was unsealed in federal court this week and obtained by 60 Minutes. The 1999 video was taken within 90 days of the time when senior al Qaeda planners were deciding on 9/11 targets, Richard Lambert, a retired FBI agent who led the initial 9/11 investigation in San Diego, said.

"It is another very large brick in a massive wall of evidence that at this point indicates the Saudi government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks," Lambert said.

Bayoumi filmed the video over the course of several days. It shows entrances and exits of the U.S. Capitol along with security posts and a model of the building. At one point, he points out the Washington Monument and says he'll go there and "report to you in detail what is there." He also notes the airport is nearby.
 
More new footage emerges—from a different angle. I've done a little digging and it seems likely to be genuine. The chap—24 at the time—has been digitising his old VHS recordings for the first time.

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I'll admit there's no real reason for me to be bumping this thread, except a couple of documentaries have oddly turned up in my YouTube feed recently.

But I'll never forget that day. I woke up and thought I'd switch the news on, see if anything interesting had happened. Unluckily, it happened to be between the first and second towers being hit, and before they collapsed.

There is literally no way those collisions and explosions could have been faked; hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of people saw the whole thing happen in real time, right before our eyes, and there are multiple films and recordings by both professional news crews and amateurs of both collisions.

Both buildings clearly start collapsing from the impact points downwards; there's no sign of any controlled explosions, I'd expect that high rise buildings in city centres are designed to collapse straight down, to do otherwise would be madness.

Whether it was an 'inside job' to provoke or excuse war in the Middle East is another matter entirely, but the collisions and collapse of the World Trade Centre is beyond conspiracy, IMHO, it quite clearly happened.

 
kesavaross said:
Perhaps the CGI was made before hand then added to the tv footage.
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No mate, just no. CGI could no way have done that in 2001. You can see the same debris pattern from multiple angles.
kesavaross said:
That's a good point except there is webcam, phone and media footage that show no planes as well. Originally on youtube there were many more videos than now that showed no planes. Bit by bit over the years most of them have vanished.

At the time I was watching a news channel, I don't know which one, and turned it on just before the second plane/explosion. They went live to an American news channel with a camera on the towers. A few minutes later there was an explosion in the second tower and they referred to it as such with no mention of a plane. I certainly didn't see a large plane and they didn't either. The news feed then went back to the UK channel and next time the same footage was shown a short while later, there was the plane going in to the second tower. I was a bit confused and thought that maybe I just didn't see the plane. Now, 20 years on, I dunno. I still think had the tower been hit by a plane in the original footage I would have seen it just as the American presenters would have.

Also, there is no way of knowing if the videos that showed the planes came from genuine people or were placed on youtube by whoever wanted that shown instead of no planes. Or how many have footage showing no planes that haven't posted them on social media. It's one of those 'down the rabbit hole' type of scenarios.

I think it highly unlikely that footage showing no planes had had the planes 'removed'. Out of the two, planes added or planes removed, I would have to go with planes added. In conclusion, for me, there's no proof either way just grounds of probability that the planes were added. I could be wrong of course.
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Considering the limitations of mobile phone technology in those days, and the speed those aircraft were travelling, its not surprising that some didn't pick them up, but there are plenty, plenty that did.

Not having a go at you, at all, but my memory is very different to yours, I remember seeing footage of the second plane within minutes of it happening, and as I've mentioned in previous posts, there are literally dozens of videos of it happening.

I'm all for keeping an open mind, but not so open it falls out, the sheer amount of evidence in the case of 9/11 throws a lot of conspiracy theories out on their ear.

Who did it and why might well be open for discussion, but the fact that it happened, as we saw it, is just not, IMHO.
 
In the years following, all manner of crackpot nonsense came along about the 9/11 attacks. I worked with a man from New York state, who had lost a good friend who was at work in one of the towers that day. He was especially disgusted by the idiots who claimed it didn't happen at all. I don't blame him.
 
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