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ramonmercado said:
Are you insane? That never happened in the HairBear Bunch.
Um, did it?
Are you insane? That never happened in the HairBear Bunch.
Um, did it?
Platt: Bigfoot boom in Banff?
If nothing else, the news is bound to make big strides with the Banff tourism industry.
No longer will Alberta’s best-known mountain park depend solely on breathtaking scenery and abundant wildlife to impress visitors and lure overseas tourists.
And no more envy towards other famous vacation spots like Loch Ness and Lake Okanagan, where legendary creatures are rumoured to lurk.
Banff now has Bigfoot. Lots and lots of Bigfoots, in fact.
Yes, it’s an allegation that would have Ripley wondering whether to Believe it or Not, and P.T. Barnum reaching for his cheque book, but the mountains west of Calgary are a hotbed for the huge-footed primates.
That’s the assertion of a dedicated bigfoot research organization based near Calgary, which claims not only to have video and photo evidence of the mythical beast, but DNA proof as well.
“When I first started, I was a skeptic, but not anymore — now I’m a wholehearted believer in the species,” said Todd Standing, spokesman for the Sylvanic Bigfoot group.
Standing’s allegations of a Bigfoot colony living near the border of Banff and Kootenay national park will raise many eyebrows, but his evidence has piqued the interest of the Discovery Channel.
This week, crews from “Finding Bigfoot,” a hit show on Discovery’s Animal Planet channel, are filming in the Calgary area, and Standing says the upcoming episode will be centred upon Sylvanic’s discoveries.
“We’ve had exceptional results and we’re working with people doing DNA analysis,” said Standing.
He says preliminary results from hair samples sent in for testing suggest an unknown species of primate, while video and photographs suggest a creature larger than a gorilla, with human-like features.
Of course, it’s that latter evidence that’s bound to have the skeptics taking sasquatch-sized swipes at Standing, particularly the photographs he says are proof of Bigfoot.
Paranormal footage, as a rule, is supposed to be grainy, badly-focused and jittery, as if the camera was assembled by Fisher-Price and mounted to the bumper of a gravel truck.
Not Sylvanic: Standing boasts a collection of sharp video clips and crisp photographs of Bigfoot, showing far, far more than the usual hirsute primate dashing behind the nearest bush.
Instead of blur, we get full-face portraits of the creature, peering from behind trees.
“I’ve had multiple interactions with them, and I’ve filmed them and photographed them on many occasions,” said Standing.
“It’s a real, living breathing animal, which I got within 60 or 70 yards of.”
What the producers of Finding Bigfoot make of all this remains to be seen, as their quartet of sasquatchologists examines the Alberta evidence to see if it’s on solid footing.
The show has gone across North America investigating sightings of the creature, with the network “committed to looking for the Bigfoot until it’s found.”
Standing says he has — though he knows his belief in Bigfoot and the proof he produces from the Banff backwoods opens him to mockery, derision and the suggestion he should sober up.
But he accepts the skeptism, because he originally joined the Sylvanic team with the intent of disproving the ancient story of an ape-like creature hiding in the wilderness of North America.
“I thought it was a combination of hoaxes and mistaken identities, and I wanted to prove it wasn’t true,” said Standing.
Now, he says Bigfoot is a fact — and with weeks, he hopes to have the DNA evidence to prove it.
“We hope to have results by October,” said Standing.
If that’s the case, tourism officials in Banff will surely be thrilled. As it is, they welcome the attention of the popular television show, saying any link with Bigfoot is a bonus for visitors.
“Anything interesting that attracts people is a good thing — it seems like some harmless fun,” said Mary Morrison, spokeswoman for Banff Lake Louise Tourism.
“I mean, who wouldn’t want to see a Bigfoot?”
[email protected].
http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/08/29/platt-bigfoot-boom-in-banff
If nothing else, the news is bound to make big strides with the Banff tourism industry.
No longer will Alberta’s best-known mountain park depend solely on breathtaking scenery and abundant wildlife to impress visitors and lure overseas tourists.
And no more envy towards other famous vacation spots like Loch Ness and Lake Okanagan, where legendary creatures are rumoured to lurk.
Banff now has Bigfoot. Lots and lots of Bigfoots, in fact.
Yes, it’s an allegation that would have Ripley wondering whether to Believe it or Not, and P.T. Barnum reaching for his cheque book, but the mountains west of Calgary are a hotbed for the huge-footed primates.
That’s the assertion of a dedicated bigfoot research organization based near Calgary, which claims not only to have video and photo evidence of the mythical beast, but DNA proof as well.
“When I first started, I was a skeptic, but not anymore — now I’m a wholehearted believer in the species,” said Todd Standing, spokesman for the Sylvanic Bigfoot group.
Standing’s allegations of a Bigfoot colony living near the border of Banff and Kootenay national park will raise many eyebrows, but his evidence has piqued the interest of the Discovery Channel.
This week, crews from “Finding Bigfoot,” a hit show on Discovery’s Animal Planet channel, are filming in the Calgary area, and Standing says the upcoming episode will be centred upon Sylvanic’s discoveries.
“We’ve had exceptional results and we’re working with people doing DNA analysis,” said Standing.
He says preliminary results from hair samples sent in for testing suggest an unknown species of primate, while video and photographs suggest a creature larger than a gorilla, with human-like features.
Of course, it’s that latter evidence that’s bound to have the skeptics taking sasquatch-sized swipes at Standing, particularly the photographs he says are proof of Bigfoot.
Paranormal footage, as a rule, is supposed to be grainy, badly-focused and jittery, as if the camera was assembled by Fisher-Price and mounted to the bumper of a gravel truck.
Not Sylvanic: Standing boasts a collection of sharp video clips and crisp photographs of Bigfoot, showing far, far more than the usual hirsute primate dashing behind the nearest bush.
Instead of blur, we get full-face portraits of the creature, peering from behind trees.
“I’ve had multiple interactions with them, and I’ve filmed them and photographed them on many occasions,” said Standing.
“It’s a real, living breathing animal, which I got within 60 or 70 yards of.”
What the producers of Finding Bigfoot make of all this remains to be seen, as their quartet of sasquatchologists examines the Alberta evidence to see if it’s on solid footing.
The show has gone across North America investigating sightings of the creature, with the network “committed to looking for the Bigfoot until it’s found.”
Standing says he has — though he knows his belief in Bigfoot and the proof he produces from the Banff backwoods opens him to mockery, derision and the suggestion he should sober up.
But he accepts the skeptism, because he originally joined the Sylvanic team with the intent of disproving the ancient story of an ape-like creature hiding in the wilderness of North America.
“I thought it was a combination of hoaxes and mistaken identities, and I wanted to prove it wasn’t true,” said Standing.
Now, he says Bigfoot is a fact — and with weeks, he hopes to have the DNA evidence to prove it.
“We hope to have results by October,” said Standing.
If that’s the case, tourism officials in Banff will surely be thrilled. As it is, they welcome the attention of the popular television show, saying any link with Bigfoot is a bonus for visitors.
“Anything interesting that attracts people is a good thing — it seems like some harmless fun,” said Mary Morrison, spokeswoman for Banff Lake Louise Tourism.
“I mean, who wouldn’t want to see a Bigfoot?”
[email protected].
http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/08/29/platt-bigfoot-boom-in-banff
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I live in Calgary, Bigfoot should be careful I heard Banff has higest STD rate in canada due to all the young guest workers and the party lifestyle they live there. I always look for him on the drive out there anyway, haven't seen him yet.
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I've become rather intrigued by bigfoot evidence.com, which has a good line in blurry videos, a full and frank (and, unusually for such a site, mainly intelligent) comments section, but also several very credible-sounding accounts of close encounters, official knowledge of existence, and DNA sampling results. All kinds of names I'd vaguely been aware of come to prominence (for example Matilda - a female bigfoot who's apparently been closely observed for a long while in her own habitat.) It's worth a look - and as usual even if 90% of the content turns out to be false, unwittingly or otherwise, the 10% remaining would more than make up for it.lkb3rd said:
There's plenty on DNA, a good place to start being this page which indicates that Sasquai (the plural!) are genetically hominids, but a distinct form. I don't know enough about the science, but there's plenty of rational discussion across the site, mirroring what we've said on here a gazillion times, about how any attempt by any scientist to break ranks against current accepted thought is very risky to career and reputation.
The most interesting close-encounter story I've come across on there, which I'd heard alluded to some years ago then nothing, is this one - a lengthy and detailed account of an injured bigfoot rescued from a forest fire, taken in secrecy to a university hospital, treated, and then released back into a protected habitat. This was related to a third-party by an anonymous Federal Emergency worker referred to as "Marty". An extract:
To me, at any rate, it all hangs together.
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I’m sorry but I’m very suspicious about that website. My first though was that there were so many what seemed like deliberate mistakes and seemingly intentionally bogus facts that I thought it was some sort of prank by a debunker. I mean they really seem to be trying to be caught out. I’m still not convinced that isn’t the case.
Firstly on the DNA page the following obvious cock ups make me suspicious
So that’s an animal with one half of its genes incompatible with the other.
Bigfoots are four times as far as Neandertals from us but only twice as far from us as Denisova, yet the Denisovans were close enough to us to have left some genetic trace in certain modern populations. So clearly that doesn’t add up.
Both of these statements are wrong. And it doesn’t explain anything, they don’t even try and offer anything that it might explain.
That sounds like provocation to me, as though they’re deliberately trying to test out how far over the top they can go.
The vet couldn’t tell the difference between a bear’s paw and a bigfoot’s, and this Bigfoot is a close relative of ours. I really find this hard to accept as honest stupidity.
Don’t know if it’s femur, i.e. no one in this research team can spot a femur, but it’s too big to be human. That’s more like it; that’s the usual flawed reasoning. So I don’t know for sure if they're trying it on or not.
From then on the author descends into complete infantilism and we get into an analysis of the character of someone who shot a Bigfoot (even though there’s a photograph of it and it’s obviously a bear) because he’s a narcissist and a bad man which you see that by looking into his eyes and seeing the nasty look there. And how the author knows lots of bigger boys who are going to get him.
Then there’s the burned Bigfoot, this story is designed to fail I’m sure of it. To be fair the article says that they rejected it at first.
If ‘Marty’ exists his emergency training hasn’t gone any further than watching TV this becomes clear later on. Also it’s obvious no one has done any research into this story at all.
After the absurdity of the wild man with major burn injuries wandering around in agony then surrendering to a group of firemen, the experts turn up.
That’d be the big building with all the doctors and nurses in it called the hospital. There’s no detailed description of the injuries but we do get an estimate of 45% coverage and 2nd and 3rd degree severity. That needs surgery. Forget any thoughts that bigfoot’s immune systembeing hardier than ours or that it can regenerate better than us. If it’s a living thing and a mammal to boot third degree burns = dead tissue, fluid loss, infection, contractions (especially as it’s mentioned the feet and hands were burned) and unless it can reincarnate body parts that means surgery, and after care in a specialist ITU. We are talking about a very easy trail to follow. Please don’t be under any impression that it might have a way to circumvent any of this there aren't any.
This is where Marty gives himself away as a layman.
The fact that a doctor and two paramedics are only going to realise that the SPINAL board isn’t long enough until after they’ve moved the ‘patient’ on to it presumably because their not too sure how long their SPINAL board is, is a bit of glaring cock up on Marty’s part. It’s a spinal board for god’s sake used to secure the spine. It must be obvious to anyone that a paramedic is used to using this thing and realises exactly what it will and won’t do, and he’s going to be sure it’s set up and ready before he’s even touched the patient. Marty doesn’t know that though because he’s never used one, he doesn’t quite realise how vital it is. That said though it isn’t needed in this case because the animal was up and walking around, either way it doesn't matter the point is were supposed to believe that a dr and two paramedics go against their knowledge on such a basic level. No way Marty.
That makes sense, that is until you think about it. Unless there’s a chance that there’s a secret hospital nearby with a special covert burns unit, their cover is going to be blown as soon as they turn up in A&E with a 7 1/2’ wild man. Hospitals don’t have secret entrances even if they did the amount of people who’d come into contact with it once it was admitted would cancel out any point in trying to keep it under wraps.
Best thing to do with a burns patient who’ve lost their number one defence against infection, get them in the mud as soon as possible. Still it probably doesn’t matter they were going to dump in the back of a truck anyway. Again Marty your letting your ignorance show.
Apparently Marty gets back to them and says it was taken to a;
So they admit that he did go to hospital, or maybe university? Why not the library? It desn’t make any difference you’d have had to set it up as a burns theater and ITU and staff it, secrecy would be impossible.
Ah well that is nice this giant forest wild man is far better behaved and orientated than a lot of fully modern human patients.
Then we sink into complete nonsense as to why this impossible cover up is being peretrated.
But according to this lot they do know at least, not counting the witnesses in the woods, the porters, theatre techs, surgeons, anaesthetists, theatre nurses, junior doctors, ITU staff nurses, the receptionists, wound dressing team, medical consultants, dieticians, physiotherapists and anyone else who happened to be in the hospital at the time know, but they’ve all kept quiet.
As well as some claptrap about their defense value because;
Can’t smell smoke though apparently, that’ll be a drawback for a secret weapon.
Mind numbingly awful site in my opinion, full of obvious contradictions I really don’t know if it’s on the level, or just a sneer at people who do believe.
Firstly on the DNA page the following obvious cock ups make me suspicious
Then
So that’s an animal with one half of its genes incompatible with the other.
Bigfoots are four times as far as Neandertals from us but only twice as far from us as Denisova, yet the Denisovans were close enough to us to have left some genetic trace in certain modern populations. So clearly that doesn’t add up.
Both of these statements are wrong. And it doesn’t explain anything, they don’t even try and offer anything that it might explain.
That sounds like provocation to me, as though they’re deliberately trying to test out how far over the top they can go.
The vet couldn’t tell the difference between a bear’s paw and a bigfoot’s, and this Bigfoot is a close relative of ours. I really find this hard to accept as honest stupidity.
Don’t know if it’s femur, i.e. no one in this research team can spot a femur, but it’s too big to be human. That’s more like it; that’s the usual flawed reasoning. So I don’t know for sure if they're trying it on or not.
From then on the author descends into complete infantilism and we get into an analysis of the character of someone who shot a Bigfoot (even though there’s a photograph of it and it’s obviously a bear) because he’s a narcissist and a bad man which you see that by looking into his eyes and seeing the nasty look there. And how the author knows lots of bigger boys who are going to get him.
Then there’s the burned Bigfoot, this story is designed to fail I’m sure of it. To be fair the article says that they rejected it at first.
If ‘Marty’ exists his emergency training hasn’t gone any further than watching TV this becomes clear later on. Also it’s obvious no one has done any research into this story at all.
After the absurdity of the wild man with major burn injuries wandering around in agony then surrendering to a group of firemen, the experts turn up.
That’d be the big building with all the doctors and nurses in it called the hospital. There’s no detailed description of the injuries but we do get an estimate of 45% coverage and 2nd and 3rd degree severity. That needs surgery. Forget any thoughts that bigfoot’s immune systembeing hardier than ours or that it can regenerate better than us. If it’s a living thing and a mammal to boot third degree burns = dead tissue, fluid loss, infection, contractions (especially as it’s mentioned the feet and hands were burned) and unless it can reincarnate body parts that means surgery, and after care in a specialist ITU. We are talking about a very easy trail to follow. Please don’t be under any impression that it might have a way to circumvent any of this there aren't any.
This is where Marty gives himself away as a layman.
The fact that a doctor and two paramedics are only going to realise that the SPINAL board isn’t long enough until after they’ve moved the ‘patient’ on to it presumably because their not too sure how long their SPINAL board is, is a bit of glaring cock up on Marty’s part. It’s a spinal board for god’s sake used to secure the spine. It must be obvious to anyone that a paramedic is used to using this thing and realises exactly what it will and won’t do, and he’s going to be sure it’s set up and ready before he’s even touched the patient. Marty doesn’t know that though because he’s never used one, he doesn’t quite realise how vital it is. That said though it isn’t needed in this case because the animal was up and walking around, either way it doesn't matter the point is were supposed to believe that a dr and two paramedics go against their knowledge on such a basic level. No way Marty.
That makes sense, that is until you think about it. Unless there’s a chance that there’s a secret hospital nearby with a special covert burns unit, their cover is going to be blown as soon as they turn up in A&E with a 7 1/2’ wild man. Hospitals don’t have secret entrances even if they did the amount of people who’d come into contact with it once it was admitted would cancel out any point in trying to keep it under wraps.
Best thing to do with a burns patient who’ve lost their number one defence against infection, get them in the mud as soon as possible. Still it probably doesn’t matter they were going to dump in the back of a truck anyway. Again Marty your letting your ignorance show.
Apparently Marty gets back to them and says it was taken to a;
So they admit that he did go to hospital, or maybe university? Why not the library? It desn’t make any difference you’d have had to set it up as a burns theater and ITU and staff it, secrecy would be impossible.
Ah well that is nice this giant forest wild man is far better behaved and orientated than a lot of fully modern human patients.
Then we sink into complete nonsense as to why this impossible cover up is being peretrated.
But according to this lot they do know at least, not counting the witnesses in the woods, the porters, theatre techs, surgeons, anaesthetists, theatre nurses, junior doctors, ITU staff nurses, the receptionists, wound dressing team, medical consultants, dieticians, physiotherapists and anyone else who happened to be in the hospital at the time know, but they’ve all kept quiet.
As well as some claptrap about their defense value because;
Can’t smell smoke though apparently, that’ll be a drawback for a secret weapon.
Mind numbingly awful site in my opinion, full of obvious contradictions I really don’t know if it’s on the level, or just a sneer at people who do believe.
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Thank you - saved me a deal of bother there 
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Seriously, though, I agree the output is patchy - however I'd heard the forest fire story years before this site even appeared, and that neither Coleman nor Meldrum (IIRC) had dismissed it altogether.
As for the DNA thing, I know next to sod all about it, but Dr Melba Ketchum is in herself well-respected. For probably the best overview of the sequencing, see Cryptomundo - given that Loren got a little singed himself over the Biscardi fiasco a year or three ago, he's being cautious now, but even he gives this a guarded welcome. For the sake of balance, a slightly more sceptical thread on the same subject here, which Loren confesses a little confusion.
These are people with hard-earned reputations. Let's see what happens.
.Seriously, though, I agree the output is patchy - however I'd heard the forest fire story years before this site even appeared, and that neither Coleman nor Meldrum (IIRC) had dismissed it altogether.
As for the DNA thing, I know next to sod all about it, but Dr Melba Ketchum is in herself well-respected. For probably the best overview of the sequencing, see Cryptomundo - given that Loren got a little singed himself over the Biscardi fiasco a year or three ago, he's being cautious now, but even he gives this a guarded welcome. For the sake of balance, a slightly more sceptical thread on the same subject here, which Loren confesses a little confusion.
These are people with hard-earned reputations. Let's see what happens.
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http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/ ... stence-of/
I can see myself in that comment.
I’ve looked around about this and Stuneville this is a weird one, and not terribly pleasant. Looks like I’m not the only one who wondered if there isn’t something odd going on here.
http://www.zimbio.com/Tom+Biscardi/arti ... y+Theories
One of the names mentioned there appears in the original DNA article that you posted. Also your page’s main author, Citizen Smith, is mentioned on my first link.
Here;
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011 ... er-1-2011/
We have them both together in a way which I find more than a little odd and contradictory again possibly deliberately so. I think that it’s possible to wonder if there is something to the sense of suspicion that I and others seem to feel.
I agree she’s been on a few episodes of The Monster Hunter
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4372255/
Also I checked her out on Pub med. She’s co-authored a few papers. What's she actually said though, directly first hand.
Honestly I don’t really know how specific to be with this one, for the board, in a North London sanguivore sort of way.
As for the burning Sasquatch that’s a different story I remember this coming up here about two years ago. Of the two names you mention I would only take any notice of one of them. I’ve tried to find an author for the recent link, is it one of the people who’ve come up. Either way it’s impossible for the reasons I gave.
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Well, again in the Cryptomundo threads, the presence of Biscardi and Lindsay (well spotted with the Wolfie comment!) is questioned. The mere mention of Biscardi especially makes most commentators reach for the solpadeine.. seems like, as with Beckjord before him, he'll find a way of inveigling himself into any potentially big development - and again, his presence sets the sceptical alarms off by default, regardless of the venerability of anyone else involved.
Also, of course, Oldrover, you and I hold opposing views to start with - I believe in the flesh-and-blood existence of Sasquai (can't stop using that word, now), whereas you do not. I respect your right to hold an opinion, just as you respect the rights of others to do the same. For that reason, perhaps it would be best that in this instance we largely ignore the bandwagon that's being generated, and just keep watching the skies to see what concrete evidence comes forth, if indeed any.
As always, I'm optimistic, but I'm not betting my house on it. Not just yet, anyway 8).
Also, of course, Oldrover, you and I hold opposing views to start with - I believe in the flesh-and-blood existence of Sasquai (can't stop using that word, now
), whereas you do not. I respect your right to hold an opinion, just as you respect the rights of others to do the same. For that reason, perhaps it would be best that in this instance we largely ignore the bandwagon that's being generated, and just keep watching the skies to see what concrete evidence comes forth, if indeed any.As always, I'm optimistic, but I'm not betting my house on it. Not just yet, anyway 8).
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I agree as far as this goes I think it's important to stick to what Ketchum herself says, rather than any 'leaked information'.
I'd like to know just exactly what it is she is involved in, I've come across different versions, one of which just said she was carrying out tests for someone else. Too much smoke at the moment.
I'd like to know just exactly what it is she is involved in, I've come across different versions, one of which just said she was carrying out tests for someone else. Too much smoke at the moment.
I have been reading on numerous sites lately, and never realized the HUGE volume of reports. Now, I am sure some are fake, but the sheer volume makes an impression on me.
www.bigfootencounters.com click the "sightings" link for state by state, county by county reports. You have certain areas with reports of what sounds like possibly the same animal (or hoaxer in an 8 foot tall suit ), and many convincing and interesting reports. I submitted my co-worker's story about seeing a "Bigfoot" freeze with its arms straight above its head in the highway in Vermont.
There are also sites with recording of very strange sounds/calls that sometimes sound sort of human. The "sierra sounds" have something which appears to be speaking in a language that to me resembles asian languages in a deep loud voice, and what sounds like a "child bigfoot" as well.
Pretty amazing stuff in my opinion, and I have to admit I am fascinated by it.
www.bigfootencounters.com click the "sightings" link for state by state, county by county reports. You have certain areas with reports of what sounds like possibly the same animal (or hoaxer in an 8 foot tall suit ), and many convincing and interesting reports. I submitted my co-worker's story about seeing a "Bigfoot" freeze with its arms straight above its head in the highway in Vermont.
There are also sites with recording of very strange sounds/calls that sometimes sound sort of human. The "sierra sounds" have something which appears to be speaking in a language that to me resembles asian languages in a deep loud voice, and what sounds like a "child bigfoot" as well.
Pretty amazing stuff in my opinion, and I have to admit I am fascinated by it.
stuneville said:
Well, after my recent internet Bigfoot spree, I have discovered that there are several claims that hunters have killed them, but upon recovering the body, invariably (according to the assertions of the researcher I was reading) freak out because they discover they have killed a large hairy human, and are afraid to report it for fear of murder charges. There is an entertaining 911 recording of a drunk guy asking if he would get in trouble for shooting it, because it is approaching his dog and house and acting aggressively. Seems he's confused on the legalities of self defense when Bigfeet are involved
He says he "rough talked" it, and poked it in the chest with his walking stick, and it eventually went away.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uFFSEK-XQM
It's very funny no matter what you think about the topic. I think maybe he really did see one, and happened to be drunk and blessed us with this great recording
How could that possibly be faked ? If you were hoaxing surely a melodramatic tone would seem right, not making youself out to be a complete bonehead.
Sure he doesn't mind if the world famous utterly intriguing boundaries- of- science- breaking cryptohominid stays up on the mountain but if it's going to come down and start messing with him and his dawgs well that's a different matter!
So many sightings are not followed by breathless calls to the media, and are of a nature you wouldn't think a hoaxer would ever possibly think to try simply because they sound so incredible. Would a hoaxer claim that they wondered how their little daughterwas managing to put away so many home made biscuits, only to follow her out into the garden and see her passing them through the fence to a grateful biggie.
Or the hunter who met one coming the other way on a wooded mountain path, only for them to politely squeeze past each other and continue on their respective ways!
If there was no bigfoot then hoaxing it must be a covert national pastime in America,but so many you just couldn't make up.
Sure he doesn't mind if the world famous utterly intriguing boundaries- of- science- breaking cryptohominid stays up on the mountain but if it's going to come down and start messing with him and his dawgs well that's a different matter!
So many sightings are not followed by breathless calls to the media, and are of a nature you wouldn't think a hoaxer would ever possibly think to try simply because they sound so incredible. Would a hoaxer claim that they wondered how their little daughterwas managing to put away so many home made biscuits, only to follow her out into the garden and see her passing them through the fence to a grateful biggie.
Or the hunter who met one coming the other way on a wooded mountain path, only for them to politely squeeze past each other and continue on their respective ways!
If there was no bigfoot then hoaxing it must be a covert national pastime in America,but so many you just couldn't make up.
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Oh, sweetie, how little faith you have in the human imagination!
You also fail to grasp the good old all-American pastime of Tall Tale Telling. And yes, those situations are exactly the kinds you'd get in a good tall tale. You start out mundane and believable and get more and more outrageous as you go, keeping your face absolutely straight, and don't bust out laughing till either your mark catches on, or is out of earshot. And making oneself out to be a fool is as common a meme in the telling as making oneself out to be clever. You can even combine them, portraying yourself as ingeniously getting yourself out of a situation which you don't completely understand (usually solving a difficulty but passing up a sexual opportunity because you're too dense to see it).
A properly-told tall tale in a social setting should go right on getting more and more extravagant until somebody revolts, and should be answered with another tale, even taller, round and round the room till someone tells a whopper so tall everyone else concedes him the winner, or it just gets so late you can't go on.
Mind, I don't say that's what these are. I have no opinion on the subject. One may argue that they don't go far enough to be proper tall tales and are not told in the proper context. But the impulse to call up a total stranger and see if you can get away with a whopper cannot be ruled out as a normal human motivation.
You also fail to grasp the good old all-American pastime of Tall Tale Telling. And yes, those situations are exactly the kinds you'd get in a good tall tale. You start out mundane and believable and get more and more outrageous as you go, keeping your face absolutely straight, and don't bust out laughing till either your mark catches on, or is out of earshot. And making oneself out to be a fool is as common a meme in the telling as making oneself out to be clever. You can even combine them, portraying yourself as ingeniously getting yourself out of a situation which you don't completely understand (usually solving a difficulty but passing up a sexual opportunity because you're too dense to see it).
A properly-told tall tale in a social setting should go right on getting more and more extravagant until somebody revolts, and should be answered with another tale, even taller, round and round the room till someone tells a whopper so tall everyone else concedes him the winner, or it just gets so late you can't go on.
Mind, I don't say that's what these are. I have no opinion on the subject. One may argue that they don't go far enough to be proper tall tales and are not told in the proper context. But the impulse to call up a total stranger and see if you can get away with a whopper cannot be ruled out as a normal human motivation.
Stories about Bigfoot are hardly mundane and believable, you would lose your hold over a large proprtion of your audience as soon as you started.
They don't and they aren't, which leaves them with very little in common with tall tales.
Acting drunk isn't easy , if that guy was hoaxing hats off to him.
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Those two stories start out mundane and believable enough. The child feeding the stray weird creature is a recognizable literary motif, in fact.
As I said, I don't have an opinion. "He's lying" is an unfalsifiable statement. But human imagination is not to be underestimated. People can, and do, make things up.
We even make things up and convince ourselves they're true.
Assuming that this guy was a clever hoaxer, why would he find it entertaining to try it on the police? How did he know she wasn't going to accuse him of wasting police time and maybe send a car round to take his guns off him?
As backfiring jokes go the consequences in this instance could have been decidedly unfunny.
As backfiring jokes go the consequences in this instance could have been decidedly unfunny.
PeniG said:
My co-worker has had nothing but ridicule from 90% of the people he tells it to, so I don't see what he has to gain by telling a tall tale.
Most people who tell these stories are ridiculed, and many on the www.bigfootencounters.com site state that they only report it due to the anonymity of the internet, and fear ridicule if they told it to people they know.
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I wish I could remember where I read it, but I read that one of the hunters who claims to have shot two of them sent her a tissue sample, and that she is preparing to submit the findings to a scientific journal who require that they be the first to receive anything they publish.
Well, I am not going to get acrimonious about it I just figured I'd toss that out there since I read it. I didn't realize the level of emotion that people have on the topic. I am interested to see what,if anything, comes of it. There sure seems to be a buzz about it, and rightly so if they are documenting a new kind of DNA as some rumors are suggesting.
I just figured I'd toss that out there since I read it. I didn't realize the level of emotion that people have on the topic. I am interested to see what,if anything, comes of it. There sure seems to be a buzz about it, and rightly so if they are documenting a new kind of DNA as some rumors are suggesting.
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I think there's more than a bit of skulldugery going around the internet about this.
My own guess is that it's nothing more than an internet rumour related to the fact she's done some testing for and appeared on a few episodes of Monsterhunter. Could be wrong though, normally am in fact.
My own guess is that it's nothing more than an internet rumour related to the fact she's done some testing for and appeared on a few episodes of Monsterhunter. Could be wrong though, normally am in fact.
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“Something altogether different”, though on the basic subject of the Bigfoot of N.A.
Recent discussion elsewhere on the board, about works by S.M. Stirling – an author whose writings I have greatly liked – prompts me to make mention here, of an IMO splendid and gripping novel by this author, which features with some prominence, North America’s Bigfoot. The novel is “Snowbrother” (first published 1985). The author writes in the general sci-fi / fantasy / alternative-history ballpark: this novel is set in a distant-future North America slowly emerging from barbarism, long after the nuclear apocalypse. The action takes place in the “mid-north” of the former United States, Minnesota way.
The novel features two peoples, in opposition to each other: one nation of settled, peaceable craftsmen, living amongst the great forests; and another, of warlike and war-skilled nomads, operating mostly on the great plains to the south, and living largely by predation on other peoples – including the above forest-dwellers, into whose territory they make frequent raids. (The author treats both groups even-handedly – perhaps reprehensibly, I found myself liking the jaunty, swaggering barbarian predators, more than the to me, rather stuffily goody-goody settled types.) The forest-dwellers maintain a loose friendship and alliance with the Bigfoot species – the “Snowbrothers”, as they call them – which are as per general perception of BF: hairy giants, immensely strong and potentially physically lethal to humans. The novel’s action involves a raiding campaign by the nomads, in which the forest-dwellers are getting the worst of it, and enlist the aid of an individual Bigfoot, in the hope of evening things up (I won’t spoil things for potential readers, by revealing the outcome).
A shaman-figure of the forest-dwellers speaks of the “Snowbrothers”: “They’re very hard to see, if they want to be hidden; partly natural talent, and their intelligence, but also [‘supernatural-powers stuff in shaman’s terms of reference’]. So it was they managed to live when humans overran the land and grabbed at every creature’s living space. After we became a rare animal again, they flourished.”
This, I feel, meshes with the “flesh-and-blood, but not dogmatically super-rigorously so” view held by a good many “Bigfooters” today – i.e. whatever precisely the creature may be, it is highly intelligent, with a very great competence in stealth and hiding itself; and endowed with some kind of ability to communicate with, and affect, the minds of closely-encountered humans – this last, taken as something within nature (as opposed to supernature) which science has not yet got a handle on. Bigfoot thus supposedly exists today, undocumented and uncatalogued, “hiding in plain sight” as it were, in various parts of North America (including, as in the novel, Minnesota, whence come a fair number of reports). I would consider this scenario far-fetched; but not, in itself, totally outside the bounds of possibility – just, with humans becoming ever more ingenious, intrusive, and numerous, and still no discovery of Bigfoot, the scenario becomes progressively more difficult to go on “buying”.
Anyway – a novel which I can heartily recommend, to those who like this basic genre.
Recent discussion elsewhere on the board, about works by S.M. Stirling – an author whose writings I have greatly liked – prompts me to make mention here, of an IMO splendid and gripping novel by this author, which features with some prominence, North America’s Bigfoot. The novel is “Snowbrother” (first published 1985). The author writes in the general sci-fi / fantasy / alternative-history ballpark: this novel is set in a distant-future North America slowly emerging from barbarism, long after the nuclear apocalypse. The action takes place in the “mid-north” of the former United States, Minnesota way.
The novel features two peoples, in opposition to each other: one nation of settled, peaceable craftsmen, living amongst the great forests; and another, of warlike and war-skilled nomads, operating mostly on the great plains to the south, and living largely by predation on other peoples – including the above forest-dwellers, into whose territory they make frequent raids. (The author treats both groups even-handedly – perhaps reprehensibly, I found myself liking the jaunty, swaggering barbarian predators, more than the to me, rather stuffily goody-goody settled types.) The forest-dwellers maintain a loose friendship and alliance with the Bigfoot species – the “Snowbrothers”, as they call them – which are as per general perception of BF: hairy giants, immensely strong and potentially physically lethal to humans. The novel’s action involves a raiding campaign by the nomads, in which the forest-dwellers are getting the worst of it, and enlist the aid of an individual Bigfoot, in the hope of evening things up (I won’t spoil things for potential readers, by revealing the outcome).
A shaman-figure of the forest-dwellers speaks of the “Snowbrothers”: “They’re very hard to see, if they want to be hidden; partly natural talent, and their intelligence, but also [‘supernatural-powers stuff in shaman’s terms of reference’]. So it was they managed to live when humans overran the land and grabbed at every creature’s living space. After we became a rare animal again, they flourished.”
This, I feel, meshes with the “flesh-and-blood, but not dogmatically super-rigorously so” view held by a good many “Bigfooters” today – i.e. whatever precisely the creature may be, it is highly intelligent, with a very great competence in stealth and hiding itself; and endowed with some kind of ability to communicate with, and affect, the minds of closely-encountered humans – this last, taken as something within nature (as opposed to supernature) which science has not yet got a handle on. Bigfoot thus supposedly exists today, undocumented and uncatalogued, “hiding in plain sight” as it were, in various parts of North America (including, as in the novel, Minnesota, whence come a fair number of reports). I would consider this scenario far-fetched; but not, in itself, totally outside the bounds of possibility – just, with humans becoming ever more ingenious, intrusive, and numerous, and still no discovery of Bigfoot, the scenario becomes progressively more difficult to go on “buying”.
Anyway – a novel which I can heartily recommend, to those who like this basic genre.
oldrover said:
I just stumbled onto this tonight: http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/201 ... ebook.html
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Yeah I came across this too. Is it really her posting this? I can't quite bring myself to believe that it is.
The trouble I've got is that she's director of a company that does DNA work the results of which have legal implications, paternity testing, lineage testing for animals (particularly horses) etc. And here she is supposedly saying she's got sasquatch DNA. Now not to put too fine a point on it, we know she hasn't. So if it is her making these claims, which bear in mind are always supposed to be just around the corner, what effect would that have on her business.
I really think there's something dodgy going on here.
The trouble I've got is that she's director of a company that does DNA work the results of which have legal implications, paternity testing, lineage testing for animals (particularly horses) etc. And here she is supposedly saying she's got sasquatch DNA. Now not to put too fine a point on it, we know she hasn't. So if it is her making these claims, which bear in mind are always supposed to be just around the corner, what effect would that have on her business.
I really think there's something dodgy going on here.
She sure seems to be suggesting that they do have some sort of scientific proof.. ?? I see why you think something fishy is going on, it seems too good to be true.
Did you friend her on facebook for updates? I can't bring myself to do it, my other fb friends will think I'm a crazy Bigfooter
Did you friend her on facebook for updates? I can't bring myself to do it, my other fb friends will think I'm a crazy Bigfooter