Guayamar said:I had previously heard that the Patterson 1967 footage was a human in a gorilla suit.
But in this case, if the DNA results are reliable, it looks like somebody shot a human in an opposum suit...
...and at length, right here, on this very board.47Forteans said:The Patterson footage was covered in a previous issue about five years ago...
We'd all heard it was a human in a gorilla suit. On the other hand, we'd all heard it wasn't. Patty is a much, much more complex topic all round.Guayamar said:I had previously heard that the Patterson 1967 footage was a human in a gorilla suit...
Looks like Cryptomundo has been hacked.....
47Forteans said:I have a Unicorn in my freezer, if anyone is interested!
I have a Unicorn in my freezer, if anyone is interested!
DougalLongfoot said:I have a Unicorn in my freezer, if anyone is interested!
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G NEWS
47 Forteans unicorn in freezer appears only to be a mafia warning with a Cornetto stuck to its forehead. Trust me I've seen the photos. Honest.
They seem to have sorted that out. I tried the site short while ago, and got online with no problem. But it was nearly impossible last week!celticrose said:Looks like Cryptomundo has been hacked.....
Quite - most of the responses were of the "Ah well, could have happened to any of us / we all really wanted it to be true / don't be too hard on yourself, Loren" variety. Even those expressing their doubts at the time were careful not to accuse anyone else of credulity.DougalLongfoot said:It seems over at Cryptomundo that Loren Coleman is now removing all comments critical of his handling of the Georgia Bigfoot case, and his support for it. None of the posts I read were personal attacks or abusive.
It is a bit sad. I don't think anyone who follows the field would think any the less of him for wishful thinking - his work up to now, and I'm sure in the future, has set a standard that many could only ever aspire to. Besides, leaving it intact would be a salutary warning to everyone to avoid Tom Biscardi like the plague: if even Loren could be taken in, it could indeed happen to anyone. Caveat quaestor....Now people might say it is his blog and he can do what he wants, but it is sad to see him re-writing history and attempting to cover up the way he fell for this hoax. He has also re-written (not just added to) some of his earlier blogs to make it seem as if he was much more sceptical when the photos were published.
inkedmagiclady said:DougalLongfoot said:I have a Unicorn in my freezer, if anyone is interested!
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G NEWS
47 Forteans unicorn in freezer appears only to be a mafia warning with a Cornetto stuck to its forehead. Trust me I've seen the photos. Honest.
eeewwwwww :cross eye
Ditto. Something intangible about it just feels true - besides, 40 years of persistent analysis hasn't managed to "find the zipper" yet.BuckeyeJones said:...I believe that I am on record here (FTMB) as saying I am a fan of the Patty film.
I have found no evidence to convince me that the Patty film was a fake.
And of those, a fair few are Park Rangers, professional hunters and, yes, cops (but ones who want to keep their jobs, thank you very much.) People who are trained observers and also know what they're looking at.Buck said:Just say there are 1000 reports of bigfoot. Throw out 300 as liars, throw out 300 as misidentification. That leaves 400...
I've only just remembered this - and I hope someone else out there does as well - around Xmas '92, there was a chap who appeared on Montel Williams: I can't for the life of me remember his name, but he looked a lot like Gordon Liddy. Anyway, he was a Bigfoot authority, and stated categorically that not only did they exist, but proof was in the possession of various academics, including DNA evidence, spoors (which to put it politely were too big to come from a human gut), etc. He further stated that a significant number of naturalists were well aware of them and their habitat - the only reason they kept quiet was precisely to preserve the creatures from Good Ol' Boys with beer and guns trying to make a quick dollar.Buck said:I think someday this will be solved and we will see lake monsters, woods monsters, and swamp monsters are just another biological being.
stuneville said:He further stated that a significant number of naturalists were well aware of them and their habitat - the only reason they kept quiet was precisely to preserve the creatures from Good Ol' Boys with beer and guns trying to make a quick dollar.
QED?
stuneville said:I've only just remembered this - and I hope someone else out there does as well - around Xmas '92, there was a chap who appeared on Montel Williams: I can't for the life of me remember his name, but he looked a lot like Gordon Liddy. Anyway, he was a Bigfoot authority, and stated categorically that not only did they exist, but proof was in the possession of various academics, including DNA evidence, spoors (which to put it politely were too big to come from a human gut), etc. He further stated that a significant number of naturalists were well aware of them and their habitat - the only reason they kept quiet was precisely to preserve the creatures from Good Ol' Boys with beer and guns trying to make a quick dollar.
QED?
I must say I don’t agree, at all.stuneville said:It is a bit sad. I don't think anyone who follows the field would think any the less of him for wishful thinking - his work up to now, and I'm sure in the future, has set a standard that many could only ever aspire to ... if even Loren could be taken in, it could indeed happen to anyone.
Likewise, deep down I knew it was a fake, but part of me (and probably part of all of us who follow this field) wished it were real. I think Loren was distracted by wishful thinking, albeit momentarily - in his original blogs he said he really wanted it to be real, and it could be real - what he absolutely didn't say was "Way hey! It's real!"Buckeye Jones said:As much as I wanted the Georgia BF to be real, most of me knew it was a hoax.
Bigfoot Hoax 'Body' Up for Sale on eBay
Remember that Bigfoot hoax back in August? Now you can own the fake "body."
A North Carolina man claims to be selling the original rubber Halloween costume on eBay, complete with the basement freezer it was kept in.
• Click here to see the eBay auction page
Paranormal entrepreneur Joshua P. Warren says he's working with Rick Dyer and Matt Whitton, the Georgia hunters who claimed, for a while at least, to have shot and/or found the "corpse" in the forest.
To refresh your memory, Dyer and Whitton went on TV with notorious Bigfoot hunter Tom Biscardi on Aug. 15 to announce the "discovery" to the world.
The next day, someone working for Biscardi thawed out the frozen specimen, only to find it was a rubber suit stuffed with animal entrails.
Accusations and counter-accusations flew, Whitton lost his job as a police officer and an Indiana man who'd fronted Biscardi the $50,000 used to buy the body was left holding the bag.
Warren, who e-mailed FoxNews.com directly with news of the auction, claims on the eBay page that the costume's being sold to "settle financial problems created by the hoax."
An e-mailed reply to Warren and a phone call to a number listed on one of his Web sites were not immediately returned.
For your money — bids are currently around $55,000 — you'll get the rubber costume with "non-organic" parts replacing the roadkill guts, the freezer, "legal paperwork to prove its authenticity" and a "personal visit" from Dyer and Whitton.
It's not the first time someone's made money from an eBay auction related to the hoax. Someone in California sold a duplicate head for $600 in late August.
Of course, for $450, you could simply buy the same costume Dyer and Whitton used, minus the entrails, paperwork, freezer and personal appearance.
gncxx said:I was watching the Bigfoot episode of Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World at the weekend, and besides noting that there were two people interviewed called Grover, there was a bizarre bit of "information" about how to attract a Bigfoot.
There's no nice way of putting this, so look away now if you're of a delicate disposition, but according to this epsiode, Bigfoot is attracted to menstruating women. The researchers featured were so sure they hung bags of, erm, used ladies' sanitary assistance in trees in the hope of catching them (the Bigfoot, that is).
Thing is, I've never heard of a Bigfoot case where a menstruating woman was involved. Have you? It certainly didn't help the researchers in the programme.
ignatiusII said:I remember watching that episode as a kid, with one of my sisters and some of her friends. When that part was shown, I offered mine opine that if I were Bigfoot, that would be the one thing that would ensure I STAYED AWAY from the area, and was met with withering indignation from my sister's friends (this was during the whole "Our Bodies/Ourselves" bodily effluvia=sweet ambrosial wine/female empowerment era).
Sorry ladies, no offense, but - eww.
Bigfoot's likely haunts 'revealed'
12:16 06 July 2009 by Bob Holmes
Sasquatch, the mythical "Bigfoot" of western North America, makes its home deep within the fertile imaginations of gullible people. If you insist on looking for one in the real world, though, you should search in the home of the black bear – at least according to a tongue-in-cheek study of the ape-like creature's habitat preferences.
The study has a more serious message too: it's easy to be fooled into believing a plausible-looking habitat analysis, even when the data is totally erroneous.
The Bigfoot creature may have been captured on a remote trail camera placed in the Sierra National Forest, based on photography evidence released by Sanger Paranormal Society.
Investigator Jeffrey Gonzalez said Tuesday night that multiple cameras were put in place in this remote area on Memorial Day weekend, and retreived on June 7, 2009.
Gonzalez said they did not immediately see the evidence, but upon closer inspection, noticed what appears to be the Bigfoot creature.
Gonzalez said a group returned to the site to review the exact capture spot after many theories surfaced once the original image was released in early July.
The tree stump theory was ruled out, he said, because the "dark object" is not there. Gonzalez said the bear theory does not stand up either, because the image does not have a snout on the head.
"You can see features of a human face such as the nose, mouth and chin," Gonzalez reports.
"The arms on a bear, when standing, do not hang that far down. We also took measures on how high this thing was. According to the leaves and the branches that were covering the object's face, the tape measure said it was between 8 and 9 feet tall. The same camera that took the picture of the object also took pictures of other objects such as black bear and deer, which does not resemble the object in any way."
Gonzales said that Bigfoot investigator David Raygoza has been visiting this location for six years after an elderly Native American pointed it out to him.
He told David that this spot in the forest was sacred Indian land and that weird things happen here. He said David has had many individual sightings and has collected footprints, but has never captured anything with a camera until now.
Returning to the exact spot where the image was captured, Gonzalez said that the angle of the hill is 45 degrees, which would make it difficult for a bear to stand upright. He also said the the object is clearly brown in color, ruling out the black bear.
The Bigfoot creature has been reported in many different parts of the country during the 20th century, including an "outbreak" during 1973 and 1974, primarily in southwestern, Pennsylvania, and investigated by Stan Gordon. During that period, hundreds of Bigfoot sightings were reported as well as hundreds of UFO reports. No photographic evidence exists from that time, although Gordon collected many foot prints in that region.
Aside from this single image, Gonzalez points out that there were three additional images taken several days earlier near midnight, where a bright light lit up the area.
His group cannot account for how this happened, except that they are ruling out a flashlight as the source of the light in the images.
The following three images are of the unknown light source at this same location captured just after midnight on May 22, 2009, in the same area.
Moooksta said:I like this story, I have a problem with the neat edge at the bottom of the big foot figure's image and admittedly the pics of the unknown lights could have been taken out my toilet window. But nonetheless an alleged bigfoot photo and UFO activity in Indian sacred grounds, gotta be worth a punt!
Bigfoot creature photographed in Sierra National Forest