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Bin Laden Kill

So you don't think - in the propaganda war that exists between Al Q and the US - that Al Q wouldn't try to claw some points back by pointing out that OBL had died at some earlier time? Surely it would be a chance to point out the lies and propaganda of the 'crusaders'?
 
Jerry_B said:
So you don't think - in the propaganda war that exists between Al Q and the US - that Al Q wouldn't try to claw some points back by pointing out that OBL had died at some earlier time? Surely it would be a chance to point out the lies and propaganda of the 'crusaders'?
There's definitely a propaganda war going on. But, that's all we really know.
 
Okay, but if that's so isn't Al Q being somewhat quiet if OBL didn't die at the time stated by the US?
 
My point is that there a great many people out there in whose interest it would be to disprove the American claims of Bin Laden's death.

how can we disprove this without access to the relevent data to do that ?
a body ??????????

dna samples sent to a NON US laboratory maybe

all of which we don't and won't have access too now
 
So you don't think - in the propaganda war that exists between Al Q and the US - that Al Q wouldn't try to claw some points back by pointing out that OBL had died at some earlier time? Surely it would be a chance to point out the lies and propaganda of the 'crusaders'?


can the witness please stop sumizing again please m'lud

we want facts
 
Okay, but if that's so isn't Al Q being somewhat quiet if OBL didn't die at the time stated by the US?

there could well be loads of reasons only known to them why, stop trying to second guess what AQ do in your opinion and look at what we can see and prove
 
Do we have any incontravertable evidence that

1. the chap killed was Bin Laden
2. That Bin Laden was even alive past 2004/2006 ?
 
Jon, my posts were merely wondering out loud about a few points raised by the various aspects of the story. To me they're rather obvious questions.
 
Jon, my posts were merely wondering out loud about a few points raised by the various aspects of the story. To me they're rather obvious questions.

they do not prove anything Jerry, we need to examine what we can see and feel so to speak.

at present we have

take our word for it, it was Bin Laden
we don't have a video after the 2004 release that has not been raised eyebrows at !

Why AQ would say or do anything is speculative at best.

Hey its even posible he's alive still and being protected somewhere.
 
Jonfairway said:
they do not prove anything Jerry, we need to examine what we can see and feel so to speak.

I know that they don't prove anything. They're just questions - not speculation. I'm not trying to make out that any given story is correct, but wondering about the reactions (or lack of) after the event in May.
 
proof as follows

picture proof ( not released )
DNA evidence ( had results in less than 24 hours, 99.9% ) it takes longer and could not from sister DNA be 99% accurate
wife called his name, ( hearsay )
 
But one wonders if that would actually be enough proof for some people. After all, corpses can seem dissimilar to the living person (especially if there are gunshot wounds to the head). (That said, when the Russians released photos of dead Chechen seperatist leaders, they were not widely questioned AFAIK). Others might also say that DNA evidence was fabricated. Not that I'm saying anyone here would have such views, just that from previous experience it's rather tricky proving anything to those of a conspiratorial bent. This is why I tend to hark back to the reasons why there have been no contradictory statments from OBL's supporters/successors claiming that either (a) OBL died at some earlier date or that (b) he wasn't killed in the recent US raid.
 
you could have a point Jerry some people will never be convinced, they have not been very helpful though with leaving some evidence un-shown that I think 99% would be happy with.
 
Isn't it true that various people on both 'sides' have been claiming OBL was dead for years? It was said he was in the final stages of kidney failure back in 2001, and if that was ever true I think it's pretty unlikely he was still alive to be taken out by the US ten years later.

There's also all those dubious vids of variously dissimilar OBLs that have been circulated. Has there been any verified footage of the real man in recent years?

Also, when claiming Al Q would deny he had been killed if he hadn't been, aren't we falling into the trap of believing the image of Al Q portrayed in the media? Remember that according to many there never was an organisation called Al Q in the sense we have all been trained to understand. That Al Q was never more than a vague concept, a name without substance. The idea of an administrative structure with leaders and hierarchy and an agenda might well be nothing more than our equivalent of the Goldstein myth. In which case probably very few of its 'members' would have much more a clue if OBL was alive or dead than we do here.
 
Was Osama Bin Laden Really Buried At Sea? WikiLeaks Emails Suggest Al Qaeda Chief's Body Was Flown To US Military Mortuary

Osama Bin Laden was apparently buried in the waters of the north Arabian sea, but internal emails from intelligence service Stratfor, obtained by hacker group Anonymous and posted by WikiLeaks suggest otherwise.

According to official accounts, he was wrapped in a sheet and "eased" off the decks of the U.S.S Carl Vinson just hours after he was killed in a United States-led operation, in accordance with Muslim tradition.

But a leaked email from Stratfor vice president for intelligence Fred Burton, sent on 2 May 2011, at 5.26am states: A subsequent email on the same day at 5.51am states: US forces said Bin Laden was killed in a siege at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, on 2 May 2011, just after 1am local time.

At 6.26am Burton wrote: The Tribe did the same thing with the Nazi's ashes. We would want to photograph, DNA, fingerprint, etc.

"His body is a crime scene and I don't see the FBI nor DOJ letting that happen."

The reference to Eichmann regards the cremation of the Nazi's body following his capture, trial and execution, in order to prevent any memorial or shrine being built.

Stratfor CEO George Friedman appears to agree, noting: "Eichmann was seen alive for many months on trial before being sentenced to death and executed. No comparison with suddenly burying him at sea without any chance to view him which I doubt happened."

By 1.36pm Burton writes again: The conversation takes a puzzling turn at 3.11pm, with Burton stating: A note adds: "It seems to me that by dropping the corpse in the ocean, the body will come back to haunt us… gotta be violating some sort of obscure heathen religious rule that will inflame islam? The US Govt needs to make body pics available like the MX's do, with OBL's pants pulled down, to shout down the lunatics like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck."

The exchange casts a mystery over just what happened to the body of the Al Qaeda leader.

The New American reports: "The release of the Stratfor emails will likely revive the debate over just what happened to bin Laden's body and consequently, whether or not US forces actually killed the terrorist mastermind in the first place.

"Secrecy prior to the raid is understandable; a refusal to produce the key piece of evidence that the raid was successful, on the other hand, is quite curious indeed.

According to White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, a member of the military "read prepared religious remarks" that were translated into Arabic at the burial ceremony.

The lair where bin Laden lived in secrecy before the alleged final stand off with US Commandoes Bin Laden moved into the three-storey house in 2005 and lived there until it was stormed by Navy Seals in May 2011.

The house was located just half a mile from one of Pakistan's top army training academies, which caused embarrassment for the country's intelligence services, AP reported.

US officials say there was no evidence senior Pakistan officials were aware of bin Laden's location.

Residents living nearby told the Independent they had thought the building would be turned intomosque, school or clinic.

Shah Mohammad said: "I think they should build a mosque. If you build a school there, people will just associate it with bin Laden."

A source had told the paper demolition was on the cards ahead of the event, adding: "There is an issue, in our culture, of such places becoming shrines."


LINK
 
They should demolish the compound and build a public lavatory and waste disposal centre on the site.
And of course, people will forever associate the name of Bin Laden with 'full bins'.
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
Was Osama Bin Laden Really Buried At Sea? WikiLeaks Emails Suggest Al Qaeda Chief's Body Was Flown To US Military Mortuary
Reporting on speculation :roll:
 
Jonfairway said:
would have been pretty smelly having been dead since 2002 !

He could have been a zombie.

Great B movie: Seals fight Islamic Fundamentalist Zombie and his dog Djinn tin tin.
 
yeah there is that posibilty :)

could have been a clone, or a android too
or even a lizard
 
Maybe they killed the lookalike who played him in all those videos. Would be a good way of keeping him quiet.
 
ted_bloody_maul said:
Maybe they killed the lookalike who played him in all those videos. Would be a good way of keeping him quiet.
There was more than one lookalike, including the short fat one and the far too old, skinny one.

No wonder they went over to taping old Dead Ringers out takes.
 
Pietro_Mercurios said:
ted_bloody_maul said:
Maybe they killed the lookalike who played him in all those videos. Would be a good way of keeping him quiet.
There was more than one lookalike, including the little fat one and the far too old, skinny one.

No wonder they went over too taping old Dead Ringers out takes.

I blame fad dieting.
 
hate to rain on the parade, but not of the lookalikes looked like they should look like.
 
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