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Bob Lazar

Comfortably Numb said:
Carl, I have aborted my search for a copy.

Having now read a few online reviews, the concensus does seem to be, precisely as you say!

In terms of understanding, we are relatively in Homer Simpson territory
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There is a good intro to the Biefield Brown effect and related theories about advanced flight technology in Paul LaViolette's Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, can just about follow the technical side! Also online you can get Henry Stevens' Hitler's Flying Saucers.

https://www.scribd.com/document/525312338/Hitlers-Flying-Saucers-Henry-Stevens

Also worth getting Nick Cook's book The Hunt for Zero Point. There are also many other approaches including Russian work based upon the ideas of British inventer Searl. (I seem to recall that some of the Russians said that the device would also slightly alter local time measurements.)
 
Junopsis said:
That's where I end up shrugging when it comes to "so they're covering something up, but what is that something?" It's like the intelligence community muddies the water for its own sake. I'm sure it's come in handy many times, but not necessarily for things they specifically knew would happen.
Then again I also subscribe to the "Bob Lazar was basically a con man/above his pay grade (possibly falsified information for his job qualifications) and he was happy to squeak out of that in return for doing the UFO gig" take. There's a French guy with a site that came to that conclusion, I forget what the URL is....
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Having watched his interviews, I suspect he is on the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum. I work with autistic young adults, some of whom are educated to Masters level, and you get to know the signs.
 
marhawkman said:
Well I think that's exactly it.. to carry the analogy forward... if you're hiding something on the bottom of a lake... muddying the water is the perfect way to keep people from knowing WHERE to look. People can't see the bottom, and don't know where the object is hidden, and if they try following the plumes of mud... they might get distracted indefinitely.
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I guess my point is that they don't need to be hiding any fascinating thing at all, to be using the tactic. Mundane objectives are just as obfuscated. Given the good-luck-getting-closure-on-that nature of weird things, I don't know that I'll ever find that there was. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't negate the chance that they are in fact hiding some Truth, but I really do suspect that it's likely there's nothing in that mud at all.

I mean, heck. Look at the ex-KGB psychic dudes that appear to be genuinely taken seriously by some people (ex., Georgy Rogozin, who did 'photograph-readings' on American politicians' photos). If you were up against that, you'd write fiction for your own ends too.
 
Junopsis said:
I guess my point is that they don't need to be hiding any fascinating thing at all, to be using the tactic. Mundane objectives are just as obfuscated. Given the good-luck-getting-closure-on-that nature of weird things, I don't know that I'll ever find that there was. That doesn't bother me, and it doesn't negate the chance that they are in fact hiding some Truth, but I really do suspect that it's likely there's nothing in that mud at all.

I mean, heck. Look at the ex-KGB psychic dudes that appear to be genuinely taken seriously by some people (ex., Georgy Rogozin, who did 'photograph-readings' on American politicians' photos). If you were up against that, you'd write fiction for your own ends too.
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this is very true. knowing THAT someone is hiding something doesn't tell you how important it is... because that information is hidden too.
 
Great new article featuring interviews with people who knew?know Bob Lazar:

"This is the third in a series of articles resulting from over fifty interviews conducted with people who either know or knew Bob Lazar, have had a role in his story or claims, or would have knowledge relevant to Bob’s story or claims if they are true.

This article mainly explores the period prior to May 1982, when Bob and his then wife Carol moved to Los Alamos, NM. Through interviews with friends, coworkers, and Carol’s family members, it aims to shed light on heretofore unknown aspects of Lazar‘s past, including Carol’s criminal history."

Read on:

https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/bob-lazar-shadows-f045a2be1d9c
 
Just saying, if Lazar was telling the truth, how the world would be completely different.

And that is what world governments would be afraid of which is something more powerful.
 
I'm sure this Corbell doco was posted here earlier but it seems to have gone.

Strong bias: The content creator favours the legitimacy of Bob's claims. Knapp features heavily.

Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers​

 
I know I am a majority of one, but I am on Bob Lazar’s side.

Even more so after David Grusch’s past mental problems was mysteriously released to the news media as to say who would believe a mentally disturbed person who talks about UFOs.
 
charliebrown said:
I know I am a majority of one, but I am on Bob Lazar’s side.

Even more so after David Grusch’s past mental problems was mysteriously released to the news media as to say who would believe a mentally disturbed person who talks about UFOs.
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It's one of those things where you're like... "why are they trying to discredit a guy no one takes seriously?"
 
charliebrown said:
Just saying, if Lazar was telling the truth, how the world would be completely different.

And that is what world governments would be afraid of which is something more powerful.
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I'm sure he was saying what he believed to be the truth, but given that nobody in a super top secret project would even think about offering him a job in such a facility unless he had passed long stringent security checks, he was saying what they wanted him to say.
 
Carl Grove said:
I'm sure he was saying what he believed to be the truth, but given that nobody in a super top secret project would even think about offering him a job in such a facility unless he had passed long stringent security checks, he was saying what they wanted him to say.
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The other thing is that "discrediting" him.... Is it really discrediting him if your actions are just drawing attention to him?
 
marhawkman said:
The other thing is that "discrediting" him.... Is it really discrediting him if your actions are just drawing attention to him?
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It's classic disinformation really. All the publicity, apparently pro or anti, is keeping him in the Ufologists' minds. As Jacques Vallee pointed out decades ago, even if you get information that discredits someone you are still going to listen to him because it all adds to the excitement!
 
Carl Grove said:
It's classic disinformation really. All the publicity, apparently pro or anti, is keeping him in the Ufologists' minds. As Jacques Vallee pointed out decades ago, even if you get information that discredits someone you are still going to listen to him because it all adds to the excitement!
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Yeah if you really want it to disappear... distract people with something else and don't talk about it.

But by that token... if Lazar is the distraction.... what is the thing they're distracting us from?
 
marhawkman said:
Yeah if you really want it to disappear... distract people with something else and don't talk about it.

But by that token... if Lazar is the distraction.... what is the thing they're distracting us from?
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Could be a black project somewhere else working on field propulsion. One place a VTO research project wouldn't require would be a well known facility in the desert with long runways.
 
In the Nimitz “ tic tac “ UFO video, the UFO acted as Lazar predicted.

The UFO leans to the side to change the gravitational force to move forward as confirmed by jet pilot David Fravor.
 
For Lazar's story to be true, John Lear must have been a prophet, Billy Meier's 'flying saucer' photographs and all of the wisdom imparted from the Plaeides must be genuine, along with the MJ-12 documents.

Plus, there has to be a misunderstanding when Linda Moulton Howe so clearly recalls that in those early days, Lazar confided how his parents could not afford college for him, although he would drive to meet up with friends who were able to and occasionally sneak into classes to live his dream, albeit only temporarily.

And those who somehow managed to erase every trace of his alternative educational background, might not have taken into account that the university computer systems had a systematic, data backup routine, such that all the evidence would still be available from routine, ongoing back ups.

As explained, in detail, here:

https://jceaston.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-truth-about-bob-lazar.html?m=1
 
Bob Larzar supposedly claimed that of the nine UFOs once housed at Area 51, that the one that he was really interested in was the “ sports model “.

He claimed this “ little speedster “ was made of liquid titanium.

He claimed it was a combination of element 115 for fuel, antimatter drive, and had the ability to make a gravity wave in the front of the UFO.

Bob claimed his personal information was destroyed, which what happened to the UFO whistleblower, David Grusch, when the government put out that David was an unstable mental patient.
 
Bigphoot2 said:
A clinical psychologist analyses Bob Lazar's body language with surprising results.
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This post in the comments sums up the issues woith lazar's narrative:

Well let's see...there was an article in a science journal titled 'the island of stability' with regard to element 115 and beyond released earlier in the year he blew the whistle. His reactor story is a glaring rip from the demon core incident in the 40s where two physicist died working on a sphere of plutonium in relation to his portrayal of the reactor he worked on. He stated the entities responsible for the craft he worked on were from the zeta reticuli star system which unfortunately is preceded by Betty and Barney Hill lore with regard to their abduction and Betty allegedly being shown a star map of Zeta Reticuli by the abuctors. The hand scanner he spoke about, again is preceded by the Steven Spielberg film Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind which depicts the hand scanner as Lazar described it. The so called sport model he worked on is an exact rip of the Billy Meier UFO from the 1960s...and I mean exact. Even worse, in numerous interviews Lazar claimed that he wasn't the UFO guy and didn't keep up with lore, yet in an interview with Big Daddy Don Garlits on ESPN2 Lazar brings up the Betty and Barney Hill story...which was amusing as he starts the interview stating he's not into UFOs and such. Lazar has avoided ALL interviews and discussion invites from real physicists as well.Lazar is a fraud and is being bailed out by recent whistleblowers and this disclosure push for transparency these past few years. Full transparency, I personally believe life is abundant in the universe and much of it likely beyond our imagination and has likely persisted for eons. This stated, Lazar's story is straight horse manure. For the record, I heard and was aware of Lazar's story when it first broke in the late 80s so I've kept of with any Lazar tidbits throughout the years. Oh, his story has changed and evolved as well so it's funny to hear those defend him state it hasn't changed a bit. He said he saw an alien out at S4 then later redacted it and stated it was likely due to his excitement and was probably seeing things.
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He came across very well in the documentary I watched about him

Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers​

(https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9107368/)

seemed a likeable guy but I just couldn't swallow the whole Billy Meier 'sports model' UFOs that fly sideways. However, I do believe he may have been unwittingly used to spread disinformation about UFO retrievals to the Soviets.
 
Paul_Exeter said:
seemed a likeable guy but I just couldn't swallow the whole Billy Meier 'sports model' UFOs that fly sideways.
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Drifting, but in a UFO?

abu-dhabi-car-competition-competitive-4569076.jpeg
 
Paul_Exeter said:
This post in the comments sums up the issues woith lazar's narrative:

Well let's see...there was an article in a science journal titled 'the island of stability' with regard to element 115 and beyond released earlier in the year he blew the whistle. His reactor story is a glaring rip from the demon core incident in the 40s where two physicist died working on a sphere of plutonium in relation to his portrayal of the reactor he worked on. He stated the entities responsible for the craft he worked on were from the zeta reticuli star system which unfortunately is preceded by Betty and Barney Hill lore with regard to their abduction and Betty allegedly being shown a star map of Zeta Reticuli by the abuctors. The hand scanner he spoke about, again is preceded by the Steven Spielberg film Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind which depicts the hand scanner as Lazar described it. The so called sport model he worked on is an exact rip of the Billy Meier UFO from the 1960s...and I mean exact. Even worse, in numerous interviews Lazar claimed that he wasn't the UFO guy and didn't keep up with lore, yet in an interview with Big Daddy Don Garlits on ESPN2 Lazar brings up the Betty and Barney Hill story...which was amusing as he starts the interview stating he's not into UFOs and such. Lazar has avoided ALL interviews and discussion invites from real physicists as well.Lazar is a fraud and is being bailed out by recent whistleblowers and this disclosure push for transparency these past few years. Full transparency, I personally believe life is abundant in the universe and much of it likely beyond our imagination and has likely persisted for eons. This stated, Lazar's story is straight horse manure. For the record, I heard and was aware of Lazar's story when it first broke in the late 80s so I've kept of with any Lazar tidbits throughout the years. Oh, his story has changed and evolved as well so it's funny to hear those defend him state it hasn't changed a bit. He said he saw an alien out at S4 then later redacted it and stated it was likely due to his excitement and was probably seeing things.
Show less

He came across very well in the documentary I watched about him

Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers​

(https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9107368/)

seemed a likeable guy but I just couldn't swallow the whole Billy Meier 'sports model' UFOs that fly sideways. However, I do believe he may have been unwittingly used to spread disinformation about UFO retrievals to the Soviets.
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Let's just forget the whole nonsense about back engineering UFOs and ask why someone like Lazar, background unknown, involved in dodgy activities, would have been offered a job like that. If someone with the highest credentials and known background applied to work at such a top secret research area, he would have been subject to multiple security checks, background research, and interrogations by agents trained in detecting signs of deceit or questionable history. Lazar would only have been accepted if he would likely fall for the extraterrestrial nonsense and be unable to resist telling all his buddies about it. Having done all that he was dropped and allowed if not encouraged to tell his story. With the result that thousands of true believers flock to the area and get excited by every drone being flown around. I am certain that they were and still are experimenting with anti-gravity stuff but the last place they would do it at would be area 51!
 
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