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Bricks, Dung, Sharks & Unmade Beds: The World Of 'Modern Art'

I'm off to artistically remove some rubbish from my fashionably wild (i.e. a bit overgrown) garden and arrange it tastefully in the skip at the tip.
 
Coastaljames said:
Don't. It's your opinion. And therefore utterly axiomatic :)
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I'm proposing that it's axiomatic that there is good art/bad art and that this not the same as 'art I like'/'art I don't like' that we could express each with a set of heuristics.

It's a argument toward a hypothesis.

Coastaljames said:
Oh, and I can assue you L'escargot - nous voulons tous vos rugosités ;)
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Que voulez-vous dire, nous, vous avec le visage blanc?
 
There's no need or point old boy. Neither of us are going to change our opinions on this I rather feel :) Nor is there any need for us to do so.

As Dylan sang - "You’re right from your side and I'm right from mine."
 
Many years ago my farther worked for a museum/art gallery and was often sent
to pick up expensive paintings, a Turner now worth millions but even then was
worth a small fortune brought back from Coventry on the train, it would be a
armored car and escort now a days, called in a year or two back they had this
pile of bricks that had cost many thousands of pounds, it did not go down well
when I said if reminded me of when the locals were getting inside bathrooms
and getting rid of the outside bogs. Happen that was what was in the artists mind, who knows.
 
escargot1 said:
Or would you send your money off to a tiger sanctuary instead and delight in the postcard they send you with a photo of a tiger on the front and 'Thank you from the tigers!' on the back?
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All very well but I do worry that were the tigers to get access to Google they could find your address and the next thing, ding-dong, just as you get in the bath and you find half a dozen (admittedly grateful) tigers on your doorstep wanting to meet their benefactor.
 
I'm not at all keen on video installations in galleries. They all look like boring badly-shot home movies.
 
Heckler20 said:
All very well but I do worry that were the tigers to get access to Google they could find your address and the next thing, ding-dong, just as you get in the bath and you find half a dozen (admittedly grateful) tigers on your doorstep wanting to meet their benefactor.
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I read this and thought, Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :p
 
jimv1 said:
I'm not at all keen on video installations in galleries. They all look like boring badly-shot home movies.
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Probably because that's what they started out as?
 
I remember having an argument/discussion with my art teacher at school about the crapness of conceptual art. I was quite angry at how poor the concepts were, and how poorly they were executed, and how downright squalid, ugly and pointless it all was.
His response was 'Aha - it succeeded in provoking a response in you'. So I said 'is that it? Its sole purpose is to make people angry? What happened to beauty?'. I think it's a poor art if it can only make people angry. Art is to be enjoyed.
 
Mythopoeika said:
His response was 'Aha - it succeeded in provoking a response in you'. So I said 'is that it? Its sole purpose is to make people angry? What happened to beauty?'.
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So he had no reasoned defence or explanation of such art so resorted to that old chestnut. In short he blamed you for poor appreciation, rather than explain or justify poor quality art.
 
Coal said:
So he had no reasoned defence or explanation of such art so resorted to that old chestnut. In short he blamed you for poor appreciation, rather than explain or justify poor quality art.
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Exactly! He could come up with no intelligent response that would persuade me that it wasn't pretentious wankery.
 
An unmade bed? really? i could go to Ikea and see one of those, and was it a guy that made stuff from his own shit? well, that says it all, and i think someone made stuff outta dead things,gross
 
Coastaljames said:
In your opinion.
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The same response as I got from my art teacher. :)
I have seen a LOT of art - I regularly attend art fairs, exhibitions and galleries. I very nearly had a career in art. Looking at something, I can tell whether it has an intrinsic value - because I'm looking at (a) its quality of execution and (b) whether it pleases me aesthetically. If it fails those tests, I can sometimes categorise it as an attempt to con people. Since the art market is now completely about money, there is a lot of this going on - and many people will be parted with their cash. I am really not interested in what art critics and art academics have to say about various works. Most of those people are in the pseud's corner.
 
Mythopoeika said:
The same response as I got from my art teacher. :)
I have seen a LOT of art - I regularly attend art fairs, exhibitions and galleries. I very nearly had a career in art. Looking at something, I can tell whether it has an intrinsic value - because I'm looking at (a) its quality of execution and (b) whether it pleases me aesthetically. If it fails those tests, I can sometimes categorise it as an attempt to con people. Since the art market is now completely about money, there is a lot of this going on - and many people will be parted with their cash. I am really not interested in what art critics and art academics have to say about various works. Most of those people are in the pseud's corner.
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'Value' is another dimension completely, to go with 'quality' and 'opinion'.

I sometimes think 'value is orthogonal to the latter two.
 
Coal said:
'Value' is another dimension completely, to go with 'quality' and 'opinion'.

I sometimes think 'value is orthogonal to the latter two.
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Just to qualify what I said, I'm not necessarily talking about financial value of the work itself.
I have to think 'does it have a value, such as a mood or a message, or an interesting (even original) idea?' and I weigh it up in my own mind. If it has none of that, it could have a decorative value only. If it's nasty or ugly, it won't even have a decorative value.
 
Mythopoeika said:
Just to qualify what I said, I'm not necessarily talking about financial value of the work itself.
I have to think 'does it have a value, such as a mood or a message, or an interesting (even original) idea?' and I weigh it up in my own mind. If it has none of that, it could have a decorative value only. If it's nasty or ugly, it won't even have a decorative value.
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Ah, *bows* my mistake.
 
Mythopoeika said:
I remember having an argument/discussion with my art teacher at school about the crapness of conceptual art. I was quite angry at how poor the concepts were, and how poorly they were executed, and how downright squalid, ugly and pointless it all was.
His response was 'Aha - it succeeded in provoking a response in you'. So I said 'is that it? Its sole purpose is to make people angry? What happened to beauty?'. I think it's a poor art if it can only make people angry. Art is to be enjoyed.
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When I joined my company, I got a postal order for £1 as payment for my future ideas which would essentially belong to them. Unfortunately, they now own the in-my-head conceptual pieces I have conceived over the years.
Rat Trap is a man with a bucketful of rats chucking them onto a rat trap one by one and then transferring their corpses into another bucket. They also own 'Meniscus' - a galvanised pail almost overflowing with shit where flies continually swarm around and land to bathe.
That's not to say I work in a bad place. It's great now. It's just they just happen to own those conceptual creative representations whether they know it or not.
 
jimv1 said:
When I joined my company, I got a postal order for £1 as payment for my future ideas which would essentially belong to them. Unfortunately, they now own the in-my-head conceptual pieces I have conceived over the years.
Rat Trap is a man with a bucketful of rats chucking them onto a rat trap one by one and then transferring their corpses into another bucket. They also own 'Meniscus' - a galvanised pail almost overflowing with shit where flies continually swarm around and land to bathe.
That's not to say I work in a bad place. It's great now. It's just they just happen to own those conceptual creative representations whether they know it or not.
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I'm sure you have often thought (while relishing the thought) 'they're welcome to have those ideas'. :D
 
Cristiano Ronaldo bust sculptor defends his bizarre design - 'Even Jesus did not please everyone
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Emanuel Santos' work was subjected to widespread online ridicule CREDIT: REUTERS
30 MARCH 2017 • 10:58AM
The artist who created a bronze bust depicting Cristiano Ronaldohas defended his work after the the piece became an internet sensation for all the wrong reasons.

Cristianao Ronaldo helped unveil the statue as the airport for the Portuguese island of Maderia was renamed 'Aeroporto Cristiano Ronaldo' after the Portuguese island's most famous son.

The bronze bust spawned a host of memes as observers compared the likeness to a number of obscure personalities including Niall Quinn, Paul Konchesky and the talking head from the British TV programme, Art Attack.






Looks like the lady who retouched the face of Jesus is keeping her hand in.
 
It doesn't look like Ronaldo and looks like a cartoon.
 
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