And it's old news... to people who actually listened the first time. That line of discourse started day one of the supposed "cure" being pushed out. It was one of the things most heavily quashed in the early 'ministry of truth" campaigns. they wanted people to think the shots were safe, thus anyone who pointed out they were (functionally) untested was silenced.
That statement is not wholly true as per this article:
Vaccinations have never cured diseases. They prevent either the person from getting a disease or help to lessen symptoms of a disease. The covid vaccine manufacturers and others never claimed "cure".
I believe you could be possibly right or at least partially correct. There seems to be a lot of muddle and confusion as to whether the European Medicines Agency withdrew the AstraZeneca license (on May 7th, I think) because the vaccine was either no longer viable or outdated, or because of the possibility of blood clots and potentially other vaccine injuries and deaths becoming known about.
I'm not going to go on Xitter to read that. I disagree with Doctorow on some things already. He posts stuff everywhere including Mastodon.
Ah yes, quibbling about semantics rather than addressing the issue. This "treatment" was never safe for any reason, and has been shown to not only not prevent infection, but not prevent transmission, and it's questionable if it even makes you less likely to die. So your Measles analogy... fails utterly. What good is a "preventative".... that doesn't?
Yeah "lack of nuance" is a great way to describe what you just said.So, given the coverage, why aren't we all dead?
Catastrophism and lack of nuance
Indeed. AZ was already outpaced by the variants anyway and as a more traditional type of vaccine, not comparable to the later, MRNA vaccines. (As I know you'll know, Frides but remarking on this for the posters who may be confusing AZ with the others).Not comparing like with like
Edit to add: My comment was brief because it ties in directly to the discussion up thread. The discussion we are now taking part in. I can certainly filibuster and pad every post but I don;t believe that's how this place works. Please advise @marhawkman
Truth is, any vaccination or drug has side effects and risks and those need to be weighed against the benefits. Lead paint is a false equivalence as the same amount of exposure would do the same damage to anyone. A vaccine is harmless for the vast majority of people who take the decision to have it. And has no effect on those who elect to not have it. I had no choice about exposure to lead in the 1960s as a baby but I do have a choice re. whether to use a vacc or not.
...Yet...
If you think that I was talking semantics, then perhaps you need to clarify what you mean by “cure”. I was giving an example of another vaccine which is effective but does not cure. So in effect, my analogy does not “fail miserably”. I have heard people argue (not just here) that the vaccine did not cure the disease in the sense of looking for a cure. And the vaccines were never said to be cures. Though maybe there were different messages in different countries? That I wouldn’t know. In Canada, I never heard that they would cure COVID.
A lot of people are dead. Have you noticed the increase in 'sudden deaths' in the news? Or the massive increase of heart attacks with professional sportsmen? Or the number of children suffering heart attacks, etc?So, given the coverage, why aren't we all dead?
Catastrophism and lack of nuance
This is definitely something noteworthy. I don't know if that increase has happened before.
I'm getting lost. The news that AstraZeneca is discontinuing its distribution of its covid vaccine is recent and is happening due to the changing virus (vaccine no longer as effective) as well as monetary reasons.
Yes, I believe so.
Yeah Covid-19 death reporting is pretty aggressive and has famously included people who definitely didn't die OF Covid-19.... and yet many areas have a lot of "excess deaths" NOT attributable to Covid-19 at all.
I haven’t noticed a massive increase of heart attacks in professional sportsmen & having done my own research, haven’t found any evidence either. It happens but seems pretty rare.
Conspiracy theorists have published 'evidence' of sportsmen and women dying after receiving a vaccine. In some instances the person in question died quite some time before covid appeared.
Is it partly due to people having no healthcare access for almost three years? People couldn't see doctors, all testing was postponed. People lived with serious health issues with little access to care (other than sick enough to be admitted to hospital).
Well, one article I read actually had a compilation... and... it did have a significant increase in the sort of ongoing issues that needed regular checkups. But also had an unusually large number of "unknown" cause deaths, that just... didn't have any explanation.
But, my understanding could be wrong, do most deaths not get a very specific cause of death because they are not autopsied? A death certificate is usually the only document that labels COD and this is just a doctor that fills out the form, not a formal investigation. Only those autopsied have a coroner identifying the actual cause.
