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Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Conspiracy Theories & Claims

maximus otter said:
The government has decided to keep the scientific evidence upon which it is basing its response to the Chinese coronavirus secret until the pandemic subsides.

Boris Johnson’s administration is facing increased calls for transparency on the actions being recommended by the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) that is heading the response to the COVID-19 pandemic. However, records from the group’s meetings and the identity of its members will be kept secret until “Sage stops convening on this emergency”, the UK’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance said.

At present, only a handful of scientists, including the chief medical adviser for England Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick, have been confirmed to be on the board of approximately 80 scientists, sparking concerns that the government is receiving limited and incomplete information from advisers.

Conservative MP Greg Clark said that the identities of the scientists should be revealed “in order to have some visibility into what institutions and disciplines are represented, it would be extremely useful to have the membership known”, The Times reports.

In response to Mr Clark’s call for transparency, Sir Patrick said that the government is operating on rules for the Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms (Cobra). He wrote: “This contributes towards safeguarding members’ personal security and protects them from lobbying and other forms of unwanted influence which may hinder their ability to give impartial advice.”

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ce-coronavirus-response-secret-pandemic-over/

maximus otter
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This website is well known for peddling bullshit and lies can we move Otters post to fake news?
 
A recording spread around the world at the end of March, purportedly featuring a former Vodafone executive claiming to let the public in on a secret that the coronavirus pandemic is cover for a global plot to install 5G mobile phone masts, track the world’s population through vaccines, and then destroy human society as we know it.

In reality, the Guardian can reveal, the voice on the tape making the baseless claims is an evangelical pastor from Luton who recently tried to convince Zimbabweans to use cryptocurrency in their economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ry-video-revealed-pastor-luton-jonathon-james
 
maximus otter said:
Mysteriously, Prof. Ferguson is still refusing to release the source code for his modelling program.
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It's possible that the envelope that he scribbled it on has been recycled.
 
Please note that I am not making any political statement, nor do I wish to take the thread off on a tangent.

But I will say that the surreal unreality of the Covid crisis is perfectly-complimented by the surreal unreality of Trump, Boris, and pretty much all the puppet politicos that are seen in the spotlight during this era of extremity.

A couple of intriguing videos from the earnest conspiracy commentator Jeff Censored. The first on is, appropriately, focusing in upon some of The Donald's latest stream-of-consciousness bon mots about Covid....

JC then delves into some classic corona conspiracy conclusions, this time regarding the apparently-premonitionary hiring of a squad of high end quarantine Public Health Advisers by the US CDC back in November 2019 to posts across much of the USA...


nb Jeff Censored is somewhat interesting in certain ways. That doesn't make him right on all, or even some things (I think he is someone who ties himself into unproductive knots regarding 5G). But nothing in connection with the whole Covid saga feels entirely right. Or properly real

(EDIT according to the allegedly-genuine CDC advert, the specialist Public Health Professionals were being hired during/for the six months ending May 2020, so that is either conspiratorially-constructive timing that will substantially-match into the US Unlockdown, or, just chronologically-coincidental timing that reflects six-month contracts (or a recruitment window) that sits within an illness-prevalent time of the year: I don't hear that latter simplistic type of perspective being mentioned as a counterpoint)
 
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Note: "Who tested positive for C19". That means that, if you are admitted to hospital with end-stage lung cancer and a bullet in the brain, if your corpse is swabbed and found to have been C19 +ve, you are added to the C19 statistics.
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Ah yes, but the bullet wound and the cancer would be noted as "underlying health conditions", so that's alright.
 
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We are apparently already "over the hump" for C19 deaths, and projecting the current (massaged) stats for another 22 months would lead to a wildly inaccurate total.

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I doubt we are over any hump yet. Someone I know very well, (non-virus cough cough), has been working very hard over the past couple of weeks, on the set up of temporary morgues with 1000+ capacities. Lots of them, no quibbling over costs, full steam ahead, all out of the way, but where increased traffic won't be noticed.
Other contractors onsite mentioned several large companies who are engaged in these set-ups, but one I know which is in the public domain is Portakabin. Usually there's a £100 repair surcharge per hole if you drill into the walls of their units, and loads of signs forbidding the use of Blu-tac, they really get bent out of shape if you "deface" their units but not right now (which was lucky because Mr Makita was out to play!). They can't be doing that well, surely?

I realise they may have been contracted out long ago, so WILL be set up to ensure payment from the Govt., but this person was only brought in a couple of weeks ago, and the jobs are increasing steadily. There was certainly no sense of just going through the motions to fulfill contractual obligations, nor anyone suspending or down-scaling the jobs - which, given the amount of money we as a nation are currently haemorrhaging, would be nice to see. If we are truly over the peak and the current facilities have coped so far, why go to this much trouble? There are hundreds springing up, I assure you. There was a distinct impression that they were expecting heavy traffic, not too far away. Time will tell...and there may be some nice refrigerated shipping containers, racked out to take hundreds of bodies at a time, going cheap - never used.
 
LordRsmacker said:
I doubt we are over any hump yet. Someone I know very well, (non-virus cough cough), has been working very hard over the past couple of weeks, on the set up of temporary morgues with 1000+ capacities. Lots of them, no quibbling over costs, full steam ahead, all out of the way, but where increased traffic won't be noticed.
Other contractors onsite mentioned several large companies who are engaged in these set-ups, but one I know which is in the public domain is Portakabin. Usually there's a £100 repair surcharge per hole if you drill into the walls of their units, and loads of signs forbidding the use of Blu-tac, they really get bent out of shape if you "deface" their units but not right now (which was lucky because Mr Makita was out to play!). They can't be doing that well, surely?

I realise they may have been contracted out long ago, so WILL be set up to ensure payment from the Govt., but this person was only brought in a couple of weeks ago, and the jobs are increasing steadily. There was certainly no sense of just going through the motions to fulfill contractual obligations, nor anyone suspending or down-scaling the jobs - which, given the amount of money we as a nation are currently haemorrhaging, would be nice to see. If we are truly over the peak and the current facilities have coped so far, why go to this much trouble? There are hundreds springing up, I assure you. There was a distinct impression that they were expecting heavy traffic, not too far away. Time will tell...and there may be some nice refrigerated shipping containers, racked out to take hundreds of bodies at a time, going cheap - never used.
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Anyone remember the 'FEMA coffins/FEMA concentration camps' conspiracy stuff that was all over Youtube years ago?
Like this:
I'm wondering if FEMA saw a pandemic on the horizon, way back then?
 
Mythopoeika said:
Anyone remember the 'FEMA coffins/FEMA concentration camps' conspiracy stuff that was all over Youtube years ago?
Like this:
I'm wondering if FEMA saw a pandemic on the horizon, way back then?
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Are those definitely coffins? It's hard to tell what they are. Some sort of federal prepping for a pandemic does make sense though, including mass coffin manufacture.
 
Ogdred Weary said:
Are those definitely coffins? It's hard to tell what they are. Some sort of federal prepping for a pandemic does make sense though, including mass coffin manufacture.
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I think they were supposed to be containers that would take 4 bodies each, rather than being standard coffins. Designed for mass burials, I guess.
 
Mythopoeika said:
I think they were supposed to be containers that would take 4 bodies each, rather than being standard coffins. Designed for mass burials, I guess.
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I thought they looked narrow and deep but given that the guy said they were "stacked" I wasn't sure where each one began and ended. It would be a lot cheaper and easier to dump people in bags surely?
 
Ogdred Weary said:
It would be a lot cheaper and easier to dump people in bags surely?
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Yes, but less easy to move them around on forklifts without them falling about all over the place.
I have no idea about the rationale behind the ergonomics, personally.
 
Mythopoeika said:
Yes, but less easy to move them around on forklifts without them falling about all over the place.
I have no idea about the rationale behind the ergonomics, personally.
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I had no idea you were so experienced in mass corpse transportation, Mytho.

I've only ever had to dispose of one or two at a time and generally just chuck them over a high wall and walk away whistling nonchalantly.
 
Mythopoeika said:
Anyone remember the 'FEMA coffins/FEMA concentration camps' conspiracy stuff that was all over Youtube years ago? ...
I'm wondering if FEMA saw a pandemic on the horizon, way back then?
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Yes, I remember, and the passage of time has not diminished the idiocy of suggesting they were preparations for mass casualities.

Ogdred Weary said:
Are those definitely coffins? It's hard to tell what they are. Some sort of federal prepping for a pandemic does make sense though, including mass coffin manufacture.
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They're not coffins. They're burial vaults / grave liners. The famous pictures of them in Georgia represent the manufacturer's outdoor storage area where they're kept pending wholesale distribution and / or forwarding in response to a prepaid customer's need.
 
Ogdred Weary said:
I had no idea you were so experienced in mass corpse transportation, Mytho.

I've only ever had to dispose of one or two at a time and generally just chuck them over a high wall and walk away whistling nonchalantly.
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[Taps nose] [Winks] I've written instructions for all kinds of things. All kinds of things.





Only kidding!
 
EnolaGaia said:
Yes, I remember, and the passage of time has not diminished the idiocy of suggesting they were preparations for mass casualities.
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I was simply mentioning a prior conspiracy and making a link.
Not saying I believe it! :)
 
Schrodinger's Zebra said:
Not... wanting to cause alarm, but can't see that anyone else has picked up on this, so - could it actually be gas? As in a gas leak from a nearby house? (Is there gas on your street?)

Gas leaks can be smelled outdoors, can't they?
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Sorry just seen this. It’s possible but it comes and it goes. I would have thought a leak would be constant.
 
Since you asked ...

Yes - typically ... Here's an example ...
What kind of packaging do you use?
Our caskets are packaged in a Styrofoam contoured cardboard box, which is then put in a plywood box. This packaging is made specifically to prevent any type of damage when loading and unloading the casket. Please note, very few funeral homes require the customer or transportation company to dispose the packaging of the delivered casket. If the funeral home has such a requirement, please do not be worried.
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https://www.overnightcaskets.com/faq/

For long distance / international shipping purposes there are heavy-duty shipping boxes ...

https://www.affordablefuneralsupply.com/cremation/shipping-containers/
 
Re the "nitwit dies after drinking chloroquine/fishtank cleaner because Trump" death story:

"In death, he has become famous as a cautionary tale about the risks of mindlessly following the armchair medical advice President Donald Trump has dispensed from the White House podium.

But friends of 68-year-old Gary Lenius, the Arizona man who passed away last month from drinking a fish tank cleaner that contained an ingredient, chloroquine phosphate, that Trump had touted as a potential coronavirus cure, say they are still struggling to understand what drove an engineer with an extensive science background to do something so wildly out of character.

These people describe Lenius as intelligent and levelheaded, not prone to the sort of reckless and impulsive behavior he reportedly engaged in on the day he died. This account is based on interviews with three people who knew Lenius well and paints a picture of a troubled marriage characterized by Wanda Lenius's explosive anger.

Trump critics and the news media have held up his death as a warning against following the president's amateur medical advice, with some claiming that Trump is "lethal," has "blood on his hands," and should be tried at the Hague for "crimes against humanity."

Those who know Gary Lenius, however, say they are troubled by how he has been portrayed in the media and can't imagine him agreeing to drink an aquarium treatment. "I would like people to know that Gary was not the fool that some of the media stories and comments are depicting him to be," said the same friend. "I really don't think Gary knew what he was taking."

Lenius spent over three decades as a senior engineer at John Deere in Waterloo, Iowa. He met Wanda in 2000.

A woman who identified herself as a friend of Wanda Lenius's, however, emailed the Free Beacon to say that Wanda Lenius was "not well" and called the information contained in the report "old and inaccurate."

Those who knew the couple said they sensed tension in the marriage.

"Wanda would constantly berate Gary in public," said a source who asked that all identifying information be withheld. "Everyone was embarrassed for him, but he outwardly did not seem to care much."

"In our opinion, their marriage was seen outwardly to be as one-sided as a marriage possibly could be: Gary worshiped Wanda," this person said, adding that his wife "would routinely call him a ‘doofus'" and humiliate him in public.

Lenius's friend recalled Wanda Lenius destroying her husband's aircraft model collection after he returned home late for a meal.

"These planes take many dozens and sometimes hundreds of hours to complete," said the friend. "Gary did not get angry, he simply junked the planes that were not repairable and fixed the rest. That is the Gary I knew, he would never get upset, he just accepted what happened and carried on."

In another recent instance, the same friend said Wanda Lenius broke her husband's laptop screen, allegedly because she was angry he had updated the Windows software on her computer.

"Gary just ordered up a new LCD screen from Dell and took it apart and replaced the screen himself," said the friend. "He knew nothing about repairing laptops, but he was a smart guy, he learned how."

The couple met while working at John Deere in Waterloo in 2000

Seven months after their wedding, the Waterloo Police Department responded to a domestic incident at their home. The couple had gotten into an argument "concerning counseling and a possible divorce" during which Wanda allegedly hit her husband in the chest and swung a mounted birdhouse at him...

In 2005, after working full time at John Deere for four years, Wanda Lenius went on long-term disability after developing debilitating mental and physical health problems from gender and age discrimination she faced at the company, according to court records in a 2012 lawsuit she filed against John Deere.

Wanda Lenius told the court that she faced "gender-based harassment" and age discrimination, including getting passed over for promotions because she was a woman in her 40s. The litigation was similar to a lawsuit she had filed in 1997 against her former employer, the Cedar Valley Medical Clinic, although in that case, she said the company discriminated against her because she was viewed as a "young, single girl."

Asked if she and Lenius had a conversation about taking the chloroquine at that time, she told the Free Beacon: "No. I mean, it was really kind of a spur of the moment thing," adding that the couple ingested "one teaspoon and some soda" each—at least four times the lethal limit.

Those who knew Gary said he was in "good spirits" and seemed "normal" in the days before he died. One source said that Gary had recently started undergoing chelation therapy, a medical procedure that is typically used to treat people who have abnormally high levels of heavy metals in their blood, such as lead, mercury, or arsenic..."

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/...leaner-remembered-as-intelligent-levelheaded/

maximus otter
 
maximus otter said:
Those who knew Gary said he was in "good spirits" and seemed "normal" in the days before he died. One source said that Gary had recently started undergoing chelation therapy, a medical procedure that is typically used to treat people who have abnormally high levels of heavy metals in their blood, such as lead, mercury, or arsenic..."

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/...leaner-remembered-as-intelligent-levelheaded/

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What a horrible woman. Chelation therapy... someone poisoning him, I wonder?
 
the falling out the window epidemic continues among people doing things that might make Putin look bad.

Head doctor of a veterans hospital in Krasnoyarsk was on a conference call objecting having coronavirus patients transferred to her hospital due to lack of PPE and overall unpreparedness. While on the call she fell out a 5th floor window.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1254173332053938176
 
maximus otter said:
Re the "nitwit dies after drinking chloroquine/fishtank cleaner because Trump" death story:

"In death, he has become famous as a cautionary tale about the risks of mindlessly following the armchair medical advice President Donald Trump has dispensed from the White House podium.

But friends of 68-year-old Gary Lenius, the Arizona man who passed away last month from drinking a fish tank cleaner that contained an ingredient, chloroquine phosphate, that Trump had touted as a potential coronavirus cure, say they are still struggling to understand what drove an engineer with an extensive science background to do something so wildly out of character.

These people describe Lenius as intelligent and levelheaded, not prone to the sort of reckless and impulsive behavior he reportedly engaged in on the day he died. This account is based on interviews with three people who knew Lenius well and paints a picture of a troubled marriage characterized by Wanda Lenius's explosive anger.

Trump critics and the news media have held up his death as a warning against following the president's amateur medical advice, with some claiming that Trump is "lethal," has "blood on his hands," and should be tried at the Hague for "crimes against humanity."

Those who know Gary Lenius, however, say they are troubled by how he has been portrayed in the media and can't imagine him agreeing to drink an aquarium treatment. "I would like people to know that Gary was not the fool that some of the media stories and comments are depicting him to be," said the same friend. "I really don't think Gary knew what he was taking."

Lenius spent over three decades as a senior engineer at John Deere in Waterloo, Iowa. He met Wanda in 2000.

A woman who identified herself as a friend of Wanda Lenius's, however, emailed the Free Beacon to say that Wanda Lenius was "not well" and called the information contained in the report "old and inaccurate."

Those who knew the couple said they sensed tension in the marriage.

"Wanda would constantly berate Gary in public," said a source who asked that all identifying information be withheld. "Everyone was embarrassed for him, but he outwardly did not seem to care much."

"In our opinion, their marriage was seen outwardly to be as one-sided as a marriage possibly could be: Gary worshiped Wanda," this person said, adding that his wife "would routinely call him a ‘doofus'" and humiliate him in public.

Lenius's friend recalled Wanda Lenius destroying her husband's aircraft model collection after he returned home late for a meal.

"These planes take many dozens and sometimes hundreds of hours to complete," said the friend. "Gary did not get angry, he simply junked the planes that were not repairable and fixed the rest. That is the Gary I knew, he would never get upset, he just accepted what happened and carried on."

In another recent instance, the same friend said Wanda Lenius broke her husband's laptop screen, allegedly because she was angry he had updated the Windows software on her computer.

"Gary just ordered up a new LCD screen from Dell and took it apart and replaced the screen himself," said the friend. "He knew nothing about repairing laptops, but he was a smart guy, he learned how."

The couple met while working at John Deere in Waterloo in 2000

Seven months after their wedding, the Waterloo Police Department responded to a domestic incident at their home. The couple had gotten into an argument "concerning counseling and a possible divorce" during which Wanda allegedly hit her husband in the chest and swung a mounted birdhouse at him...

In 2005, after working full time at John Deere for four years, Wanda Lenius went on long-term disability after developing debilitating mental and physical health problems from gender and age discrimination she faced at the company, according to court records in a 2012 lawsuit she filed against John Deere.

Wanda Lenius told the court that she faced "gender-based harassment" and age discrimination, including getting passed over for promotions because she was a woman in her 40s. The litigation was similar to a lawsuit she had filed in 1997 against her former employer, the Cedar Valley Medical Clinic, although in that case, she said the company discriminated against her because she was viewed as a "young, single girl."

Asked if she and Lenius had a conversation about taking the chloroquine at that time, she told the Free Beacon: "No. I mean, it was really kind of a spur of the moment thing," adding that the couple ingested "one teaspoon and some soda" each—at least four times the lethal limit.

Those who knew Gary said he was in "good spirits" and seemed "normal" in the days before he died. One source said that Gary had recently started undergoing chelation therapy, a medical procedure that is typically used to treat people who have abnormally high levels of heavy metals in their blood, such as lead, mercury, or arsenic..."

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/...leaner-remembered-as-intelligent-levelheaded/

maximus otter
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If it were a tv movie we wouldn't believe it. Great mystery and even better than the ostemsible story. The wife of course "took it and survived. " (The beacon of course is not what you ever might call a news organization. The creds for this particular reporter include the Wash Examiner, the Daily Mail and the NY Post. ) We look forward to future police updates.
 
Lb8535 said:
If it were a tv movie we wouldn't believe it. Great mystery and even better than the ostemsible story. The wife of course "took it and survived. " (The beacon of course is not what you ever might call a news organization. The creds for this particular reporter include the Wash Examiner, the Daily Mail and the NY Post. ) We look forward to future police updates.
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Deserves to make next month's strange (i.e. Ironic) deaths on the inside back cover of Fortean Times.
 
James_H said:
Not quite conspiracy but an unusual claim: the virus is the reification of a long standing spiritual sickness in humankind, here called 'wetiko'

https://www.awakeninthedream.com/articles/covid-19-wetiko
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Thanks for that . Interesting read. Without going as far as believing it, I have been wondering if some sort of collective insanity has been spreading among the Westernised countries for some years. I jokingly blame it on fluoride in the water (Roman politicians are sometimes supposed to have been driven mad because of lead in the water pipes in their villas)
 
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