Mythopoeika
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Aha! I was doing a search for Desiree Chub, not Desiree Chubb!
Thanks for the tip :sherlock:Aha! I was doing a search for Desiree Chub
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This is an interesting idea for an analysis... but it doesn't change the fact that people are being careless when collecting casualty numbers.You are correct in saying that many people who are reported as dying of Covid-19 will be people who have died and just happened to have had it. However, some simple maths shows that this is only a small number of the total reported Covid-19 deaths.
Xanatic was right to question these figures. Why is it a 28 day period? Last I checked one of the most popular tests for Covid-19 exposure actually looked for ANTIBODIES and not the actual virus. The test has no value beyond "was this person exposed?" It's not meant to be used as part of determining cause of death.Average no of annual deaths in UK = 500,000 (0.75% of pop)
Estimated no of infections this year = 10,000,000 (15% of pop)
Average no of people testing positive within any given 28 day period = 750,000 (just over 1% of pop)
This seems excessively arbitrary. What causation leads to this methodology?Multiplying the number of people who would have died this year anyway by the percentage of all people who can be expected to have tested positive within 28 days of their death comes out at under 6,000.
As a counter-point... how many people in total died in 2020? The stated hypothesis of "died sooner" has not actually been tested.This shows that over 90% of people included in the official death tally (71,000 so far) have died sooner than they otherwise would have.
I find this conclusion questionable as I don't feel it's adequately supported by facts. The math is simply not backed up by causative reasoning.Why? Because, statistically, only around 1% of natural deaths are likely to have coincidentally tested positive for Covid-19 within the previous 28 days and as a result be included in the official figures.
Pretty sure it's garbage that was made up by whoever posted it.Appeared on Facebook today, no attribution.
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I was thinking about this again. I personally suspect things like this are disinformation as part of a long game in propaganda where you discredit your opponent with lies. It's something I've seen a disturbing number of times. Some of it's clearly just people grumbling but some of it seems to be intentional misdirection and misinformation. Such as blaming new cases on "anti-maskers" when... it's an AIRBORNE DISEASE, you don't need direct contact with an infected person. Simply being in the same room can be enough. At least one case has been analyzed in enough detail to be certain that a person got it from someone who didn't come within 20 feet. Masks help, but not as much as some people would have you believe.View attachment 33286
Appeared on Facebook today, no attribution.
Heh, two things jump out at me here.... Is he even talking about Covid-19? "Coronavirus" is actually the SHAPE of the virus... Some versions of the flu are also Coronaviruses. Coronavirus - WikipediaMore than 350,000 Americans have died of coronavirus
What does the code mean? COVID-19 Guidelines (cdc.gov)1 - Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1.
g) Asymptomatic individuals who test positive for COVID-19
For asymptomatic individuals who test positive for COVID-19, assign code U07.1, COVID-19. Although the individual is asymptomatic, the individual has tested positive and is considered to have the COVID-19 infection.
I don't know anyone who has died from - or even with - Covid. Nor do any of my friends. Many of my friends and their friends are in the high risk groups because of age and /or health problems. I do know several people who have had Covid, confirmed by tests."When you've got that sort of social media pressure and those people denying the reality of Covid it really concerns us. Words fail me," he said. "Why would people do that when we all know somebody who has died from Covid? Of course there are empty corridors at the weekend in outpatients, because that's the right thing to do. We are facing the biggest health challenge we've ever seen and we are still seeing people flouting the [social distancing] rules." ...
I was volunteering at a large medical center that's a catchment for serious issues for about a 200-mile radius last March. First the visitors were removed, then the volunteers over 65, the all the volunteers and no elective surgeries, and chaplains were urged to do their work electronically, then at the same time people became frightened to go there even if they really needed to with heart problems, etc. and car accidents plummeted because no one was going anywhere or drinking at bars. By the time I left it was pretty quiet in the hallways. It loosened up in June (non-participating partners could attend deliveries) but shut down again in December. The interesting information would be number of beds occupied and/or clinical appointments 2019 and 2020 by covid and non-covid. I think that in the UK there was more shutting down of all services to preserve space - in the US they were begging people to keep their regular and needed medical appointments.I live opposite a hospital. It is in full view (the entrance road, main entrance to A&E and car parks) from my house, and since March of last year it has been, and continues to be, pretty much deserted.
It used to be the case that, due to the ambulance station being located right next door to it, that mostly every hour of the day you would see/hear ambulances with their sirens coming and going regularly. Now I can't remember the last time that happened, maybe before christmas I think.
And I am pretty much at home, all day, every day.
I'm not denying C19 is a thing, because clearly it is a thing, but what I am saying is that C19 has been given the over-riding priority over everything else, so much so that all the other services have basically closed down.
Several times I have wandered over to the hospital and had a walk around in the past few months , and compared to when I used to go there for regular physiotherapy after my bike accident (when it was ALWAYS busy, and I mean properly busy), it is now properly empty.
A&E usually has a handful of injured people sitting there but nothing like the dozens that used to be sitting there.
The rest of the place is devoid of patients and/or staff.
But there is absolutely no point in me telling people about it, or putting it on my facebook, or youtube, or any of the other sites that I frequent, as I just get labelled as a 'covidiot' or 'a denier'.........
But that's fine....I know what I know.
I am in absolutely no way a Covid denier, have seen the results it's had on some people and have known people who've tested positive and been both ill and had no effects whatsoever (not the same individual, obviously).
But some of the really scary headlines that I've seen lately, particularly those regarding the new variant 'superspreading' Covid, which were phrased to make it sound as though this was about to be the death of humanity as we know it (with the information that the new variant spread faster but didn't cause Covid to be any more severe printed much much later on in any article) have made me think that the news is being diseminated in such a way as to distract us from the shambles that Brexit is becoming.
Keep us scared, keep us worrying about viral infection and possible death - and don't even look at what happens when countries close their borders to us. Sleight of hand.
This sort of stuff is what bugs me most. Suppression of discussion. People preemptively scapegoated anyone critical of the official reports.. and raging about "anti-vaxxers" started before there was even potential vaccine in the works. And of course anyone who doesn't happily take the vaccine and thank the vaccine manufacturer for saving there lives... Last I heard this sort of "novel" approach to making a vaccine... has never worked before. And this one is definitely fully safe? unh huh...But there is absolutely no point in me telling people about it, or putting it on my facebook, or youtube, or any of the other sites that I frequent, as I just get labelled as a 'covidiot' or 'a denier'.........
But that's fine....I know what I know.
My Mum knows (or knew) a couple of people who died from the Covid.I don't know anyone who has died from - or even with - Covid. Nor do any of my friends. Many of my friends and their friends are in the high risk groups because of age and /or health problems. I do know several people who have had Covid, confirmed by tests.
This sort of statement will simply confirm the non-believers, and possibly even add to them.
You'd also get arrested and prosecuted for it, even though there is no law against taking photos of an empty corridor.But there is absolutely no point in me telling people about it, or putting it on my facebook, or youtube, or any of the other sites that I frequent, as I just get labelled as a 'covidiot' or 'a denier'.........
But that's fine....I know what I know.
I can't understand why ALL of us who are over 60 and in a 'frontline worker' job, facing the public on a daily basis (in my case, in a shop) aren't being offered the vaccine* as a priority. We have faced this illness every single day since the virus broke out (in my case despite being told to stay at home for three months, my asthma was very well controlled at the outset so I made the decision to keep working). We should be classed with the 'clinically vulnerable' even if just as a reward for having faced angry irrational customers for the last nine months.
*all those who wish to have it, of course.
My father in law died from Covid.I don't know anyone who has died from - or even with - Covid. Nor do any of my friends. Many of my friends and their friends are in the high risk groups because of age and /or health problems. I do know several people who have had Covid, confirmed by tests.
This sort of statement will simply confirm the non-believers, and possibly even add to them.
Pretty sure this is fake news. the question isn't if it's fake, but who created the fake. The red labels don't look like they belong in the diagram. The name in the middle also looks out of place. Also if you look at the diagram it's a circuit board and not a microchip. Also marking it "confidential" seems a bit weird. But it's hard to be sure if it's an unscrupulous journalist making up a story or a journalist finding random stupidity.
Pretty sure this is fake news. the question isn't if it's fake, but who created the fake. ...
'From' or 'with' ?My father in law died from Covid.
I can't tell anymore what is true and fake news...
He got sick, went to hospital, had confirmed positive covid test, couldn't breathe on his own, intubated, dead.'From' or 'with' ?
My point was not that nobody has died. Or even that nobody has died from Covid-19. I'm not going to keep repeating my posts because it is tiresome to me and probably everyone else.
So just to be clear, there is no evidence that you have found of the image actually being circulated initially fraudulently. I do wish that there were a method of turning off the social media of those people like the fake Mario who make up crap like this. Or at least get Twitter to take responsibility. At this point I think they could gather a large volunteer corps to assist.There's no question it's a fake / hoax ...
That image was being circulated via the Telegraph (Telegra.ph) app and Telegram cloud-based service as early as 27 December 2020.
Because Telegraph is a messaging app that uses encryption the distributed image (and / or enclosing message) won't be found outside the message sender's and recipients' message files.
The Twitter posting apparently dates back to 28 December. It presented what appears to be a screenshot of the Telegraph message. Mario Fusco is claimed to be a software engineer who posted it once he'd discovered it (somewhere unspecified) online.
It's not clear how long the image was being circulated as fake COVID news prior to that. It's also unclear whether Fusco himself was a Telegraph recipient of the image.
The circuit diagram is for a Boss MT-2 Metal Zone guitar effects pedal.
My condolences, Kmalktk. When this is more over, I hope your family has the opportunity to mourn together.He got sick, went to hospital, had confirmed positive covid test, couldn't breathe on his own, intubated, dead.
So it would be like saying that no one has ever died from a grenade, just massive blood loss and the co-morbidity of sudden loss of limbs.