• We have updated the guidelines regarding posting political content: please see the stickied thread on Website Issues.

Does Anyone Know Anything About Elves?

Elsupremo

Elsupremo

Gone But Not Forgotten
(ACCOUNT RETIRED)
Joined
Sep 25, 2015
Messages
349
image.jpeg
On two occasions I've run into Elvish people, or djinn. The first time when I was 20, at a Masonic temple. The second time more recently in San Fran. When I say elves I mean "Lord of the Ring" type elves, not Santa elves. The one I saw two years ago in the Bay Area was a female, tall, about 5ft 10in long blond hair, elvish ears, huge Asian blue eyes and had a peculiar nonhuman glow. In other words her eyes were too large her glow too bright to be a human walking around with pointy ears. It was noon time downtown San Francisco. I was walking down Market and spotted her coming towards me. As soon as I saw her I became paralyzed which is just as well because she was so magnificent I believe I would have grabbed her knowing it is wrong and a crime to grab a stranger on the street. As she approached she avoided my eyes and walked behind me as if opening an imaginary door and disappeared. I have provided a picture. While not identical it's close
 
A few questions...
What happened in the Masonic temple case? Just curious, what were you doing there?
Also...is it possible that the woman you saw was just someone into body modification? I mean, this is San Francisco we're talking about? The ears could be the product of surgery, the eyes the product of clever makeup and specialist contact lenses, the glow could be...cocaine... ;)
 
(@Mythopoeika , in North America, Masonic Temples are frequently used as venues for social gatherings/dances that have no direct connection with Freemasonry: certainly, to a greater extent than in Europe/UK....perhaps that explains the casual comment)

@Elsupremo , can you please also give more detail on the disappearance of the Bay Area elf. Did she actually vanish in front of your eyes? Was there no chance that she jumped into a doorway or merged into a crowd?

Also, you link Elves and Djinn at the start of your post, as if they were interchangable entities. That's interesting, but I'm not going to say why I think so, just yet. Have you always felt they were related? Can you say why this is?
 
Mythopoeika said:
A few questions...
What happened in the Masonic temple case? Just curious, what were you doing there?
Also...is it possible that the woman you saw was just someone into body modification? I mean, this is San Francisco we're talking about? The ears could be the product of surgery, the eyes the product of clever makeup and specialist contact lenses, the glow could be...cocaine... ;)
Click to expand...

In the Masonic temple case, up until I saw the elf woman in San Fran, I thought the Masonic temple case was an acid trip, which it was. By the way I suspect the Bay Area of being a portal but that is another issue. In the Temple case I had ingested LSD earlier which is why I ignored but never forgot it. While on Lsd sitting in my room lamenting at the problem of how to my life in order. I remember thinking why can't I succeed at anything I try having dropped out of college been kicked out of the military and now at the ripe age of 20 working as a janitor. Then I heard a voice (I'm on acid) say because we won't let you succeed. Who are you and how are you speaking? I thought, more fascinated by telepathic communication that worried that I might be losing my mind. "If you really want to know who we are, we will bring you to us. We are the rulers of this world and we not only control your life but everyone's. So we will bring you to us if you wish but be warned that at anytime in you journey to us we may decide to murder you. Do you still want know who we are?
Yes was my reply after a lot of thought about the threat. Now this is the point where either you are willing to go down this rabbit hole with me or chock me up as an insane person. The story is to long to waste both of our time.
 
Ermintrude said:
(@Mythopoeika , in North America, Masonic Temples are frequently used as venues for social gatherings/dances that have no direct connection with Freemasonry: certainly, to a greater extent than in Europe/UK....perhaps that explains the casual comment)

@Elsupremo , can you please also give more detail on the disappearance of the Bay Area elf. Did she actually vanish in front of your eyes? Was there no chance that she jumped into a doorway or merged into a crowd?

Also, you link Elves and Djinn at the start of your post, as if they were interchangable entities. That's interesting, but I'm not going to say why I think so, just yet. Have you always felt they were related? Can you say why this is?
Click to expand...

She vanished after walking so closely behind me that she could have touched my back and I was suffering some sort of paralysis. Through my side vision even though paralyzed I could see her opening a door that I would seem to be standing in front of. The experience was surreal as you could imagine. As for the Djinn, I started referring to the elves as djinn because while reseachering elves as written of by Tolkien and already knowing about the Djinn through people I knew from the Middle East who do not regard the djinn as a fairy tale as they are written of in the Holy Koran. I came to realize the both djinn and elves are races that lost out to humans in far antiquity maybe they are the same.
 
Mythopoeika said:
the glow could be...cocaine... ;)
Click to expand...

Yeah, I once saw a girl at the Renaissance fair who looked much like the OP's description of the girl, though she was quite obviously in costume. However, she must have been under the influence of some serious drug, because her manner and erm..."aura" for lack of a better word, seemed otherworldly. She did have a kind of glow (though maybe it was some combination of perspiration and body glitter :))

More mysterious though, was a young man some friends and I saw years ago. He had shoulder length blonde hair - flaxen really - and very pale skin. He was wearing ordinary clothes, but somehow he looked "unreal". We saw him several times, and every time we felt uneasy, like there was something negative about him. This seemed an odd thing, because he was a very attractive person to look at, and beautiful is often seen as "good" whether it is or not, but this guy was a different case. I've questioned our perception of his seeming unreal - the best rational explanation is that his face had such symmetry as not usually seen in human faces, and therefore was perceived as unreal to our eyes.

That doesn't explain the bad vibe, though. Normally when we see an attractive person, the response isn't a black dread that they might speak to you, which is exactly what happened to my friends and me.
 
Ulalume said:
I've questioned our perception of his seeming unreal - the best rational explanation is that his face had such symmetry as not usually seen in human faces, and therefore was perceived as unreal to our eyes.
Click to expand...
Haha, when I was younger I looked pretty 'symmetrical' too. It may explain all the weird looks I've had from people over the years. :D
 
Ulalume said:
Yeah, I once saw a girl at the Renaissance fair who looked much like the OP's description of the girl, though she was quite obviously in costume. However, she must have been under the influence of some serious drug, because her manner and erm..."aura" for lack of a better word, seemed otherworldly. She did have a kind of glow (though maybe it was some combination of perspiration and body glitter :))

More mysterious though, was a young man some friends and I saw years ago. He had shoulder length blonde hair - flaxen really - and very pale skin. He was wearing ordinary clothes, but somehow he looked "unreal". We saw him several times, and every time we felt uneasy, like there was something negative about him. This seemed an odd thing, because he was a very attractive person to look at, and beautiful is often seen as "good" whether it is or not, but this guy was a different case. I've questioned our perception of his seeming unreal - the best rational explanation is that his face had such symmetry as not usually seen in human faces, and therefore was perceived as unreal to our eyes.

That doesn't explain the bad vibe, though. Normally when we see an attractive person, the response isn't a black dread that they might speak to you, which is exactly what happened to my friends and me.
Click to expand...
This elf woman did seem seriously urgent about something and negatively so. I suspect she came through the veil because of a disruption caused by something I said or did accidently.
 
Elsupremo said:
She vanished after walking so closely behind me that she could have touched my back and I was suffering some sort of paralysis. Through my side vision even though paralyzed I could see her opening a door that I would seem to be standing in front of. The experience was surreal as you could imagine. As for the Djinn, I started referring to the elves as djinn because while reseachering elves as written of by Tolkien and already knowing about the Djinn through people I knew from the Middle East who do not regard the djinn as a fairy tale as they are written of in the Holy Koran. I came to realize the both djinn and elves are races that lost out to humans in far antiquity maybe they are the same.
Click to expand...

Just an alternative view to your experiences.

Seeing elves, dwarves, dragons, giants, spaceships, etc on LSD, particularly good quality LSD is not uncommon. Neither is fear, paranoia, loss of self etc. Basically visually anything is possible on LSD and everything appears totally real.

I wonder if she was a normal person and your LSD driven mind changed her into this Elf Queen? That might have explained why she avoided eye contact?

LSD also makes you hyper-sensitive to peoples mood and behavior, she may have picked up on you acting strangely and became fearful or frightened of you? You then picked up on this as negativity.

I think you were lucky that you didn't grab her or you might have been attacked yourself or arrested by the police!

I'd probably avoid the psychedelics in future, you been there and done that, prolonged use or preoccupation with these sorts of drugs from experience don't tend to end well.

You speak of getting your life back on track? I think that's a great idea. Seek out some support from family and friends or even professional support in starting on this path.

It's really difficult to make positive change on your own and in isolation so use your supports and I wish you all the best for the future.
 
Oh that was forty-three years ago and I would have say that people like Freud,Huxley and how can we forget the infamous Timothy Leary were right about LSD. Even though I trip no longer it was the most important thing I have ever done. It certainly must have elevated me to the heights of the demigods,a jealous lot them. What was the first thing God told the Isrealites about himself, not that he was love but jealous.
 
Elsupremo said:
Oh that was forty-three years ago and I would have say that people like Freud,Huxley and how can we forget the infamous Timothy Leary were right about LSD. Even though I trip no longer it was the most important thing I have ever done. It certainly must have elevated me to the heights of the demigods,a jealous lot them. What was the first thing God told the Isrealites about himself, not that he was love but jealous.
Click to expand...


What did Freud have to say about LSD? Hoffman synthesized it in 1938 and Freud died in 1939, so I wouldn't have thought he had much time to comment on it.

What were they right about?
 
My point being as in The Doors of Perception,awareness or even consciousness is affected by social programming. For example in another society were I to say "elves"they might say I've never seen one however someone I respect very much said they exist(Druid priest) so I believe. More programming, perhaps but I have found that proper use of certain drugs helps one break through the locks on the doors of perception. The ability to perceive an entity such as an elf or djinn as the Muslim call them,might make one an insane person here in the west but a holy man in the east where the Koran talks about elves or djinn existing as dogma.
 
Elves are not djinn and djinn are not elves.


Elsupremo said:
I have found that proper use of certain drugs helps one break through the locks on the doors of perception.
Click to expand...

Of course that is true. But they can also make you see things that aren't there. Tell me about a stone cold sober encounter with a daemonic being and I'm interested. Rambling acid trip reports? Hmm...
 
If you read my posts then, you know I wasn't high when I saw her or super girl. And how do you what djinn or elves are? Are you one or the other. To definitively say they are not is as bad as definitively saying they are. If I ramble when writing , please forgive my prose.
 
Fair enough, let's see what happens, the time for the truth is here.
 
Why don't you tell us what it is that you have found which connects elves and djinn.
 
Glad you asked. Tolkien writes extensively on elves and Amazon has numerous books on djinn. While I have not read a lot of Tolkien, the mythical worlds he described made me think he was referring to the earth in way, way bygone era. The constant wars he described between the elves reminded me of the myths and legends about djinn.
 
Do we really need to mention that Tolkien wrote fiction? If you want to know about elves, go back to the original sources.
 
Elsupremo said:
Glad you asked. Tolkien writes extensively on elves and Amazon has numerous books on djinn. While I have not read a lot of Tolkien, the mythical worlds he described made me think he was referring to the earth in way, way bygone era. The constant wars he described between the elves reminded me of the myths and legends about djinn.
Click to expand...

Tolkien was reviving our 'lost' Anglo Saxon beliefs - well kind of. From the stuff he was constantly translating - Old Norse, Anglo Saxon, the Kalevala, etc - he was aware of cryptic references in the lit to things lie "dark elves", "light elves", "dwarves", giants ("ent" was one Anglo Saxo word for 'giant'). Older bits of Anglo Saxon writing, like some of the elegaic poems, have cryptic, fragentary references to Welund the smith, etc. Much of that was written down at later periods by monks, so there was a lot of christian overlay. Tolkiien himself was a devout Roman Catholic but felt that one way to god was through any kind of sense of spirituality - why Middle-earth is a bit less bible bashy than his colleague, C.S.Lewis's Narnia....

There are also references to dwarves and elves in his other love, Old Norse.

This is why his cosmology has the elves, dwarves, dragons etc - he was trying to recreate a literary world almost lost to most people; fragments of which surfaced in obscure Northern European sources.

Tolkien, of course, went against the prevalent view - still very influenced by the Victorians - of elves as little, benign, cute piskies. And tried to return to us the original, much more scary and complex characters.

Can you tell I love Tolkien?

I know as much about djinn as you do about Tolkien, I'm guessing. Sum total of my knowledge is hearing ne Radio 4 programme about a muslim woman who deals with djinn problems in her community. Apparently, djinn are negative and scary and may or may not be psychological problems, or something more supernatural. But they seemed, from what she was saying, to be culturally very different to the elves. Elves are also more like spirits of place and are not, like djinn, always negative. Which is suggested by the Norse distinction between dark and light elves.

Dianne Purkiss's 'Troublesome Things' is a great book about the history of fairies, elves, etc.
 
^ While that is a great and fascinating post, I fear it may well be a waste of your time.
 
Er yes.

That is exactly what I am...a "shill" for the, ahem, Queen.


You got me.
 
I notice when I walk down the street that the crows always mock me but the pigeons are cooperative, what's up with that? Please don't say you are a raven.
 
Yes, being a lord of the earth is great fun, ask the aborigines about dream time.
 
I thank you as well. The fact that Tolkien even devised a language for the elves tells me that the elves were real to him. Now yes, in an interview with Tolkien he states very early in the interview that elves are not real, without even being asked. It sounded suspect.
 
Or it tells you that he was a linguist. He also made languages for the other races.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top