Doppelgängers

[SimonBurchell]

Well, that just sounds dangerous to me.

It would, however, explain why they got the wrong person!

 

[hunck]

Man randomly finds his doppelgänger in Las Vegas

When Sean Douglas McArdle went for a swim in the pool at the Flamingo in Las Vegas, he ran into someone he certainly didn’t expect.

That somebody else turned out to be the spitting image of Sean, even down to the cap and horn-rimmed glasses they were both wearing.

 

[hunck]

The thought has crossed my mind that they’re identical twins who have FOOLED THE WHOLE WORLD with their amusing prank. The other man isn’t named - why not?

 

[blessmycottonsocks]

There is something of an online revival at present regarding the Emilie Sagee case (if it ever was even that).

Double Vision: The Strange Case of Emilie Sagee
Emilie Sagee was haunted by a spectral twin, whose mirror-like movements terrified all those who saw it.
https://the-line-up.com/emilie-sagee/

In some ways, I really hate the incubative / distributive/ validative nature of the internet. It permits / promotes non-facts at the same speed (or faster) than reality....

This story popped up on Quora recently.
The fact that the sole source of the story was Scottish-American politician and spiritualist, Robert Dale Owen should set alarm bells ringing. The events, the witnesses, the places named, the school, even Emilie Sagee may never have existed outside of Owen's imagination.
Probably falls into the same category as the Ourang Medan and Man From Taured - all works of fiction, which have taken off and gathered their own mythos over the years.

 

[Ermintruder]

The fact that the sole source of the story was Scottish-American politician and spiritualist, Robert Dale Owen should set alarm bells ringing

Ah - that's frustrating. But if true, indeed, I agree. Acts as a massive counterweight, if there's only one root source. That is so annoying!

 

[EnolaGaia]

... The fact that the sole source of the story was Scottish-American politician and spiritualist, Robert Dale Owen should set alarm bells ringing. ...

Owen was the first to publish the story, but he wasn't the original source. He got the story from Baroness Julie de Güldenstubbé, who'd allegedly been one of Ms. Sagee's / Saget's students. See the earlier post with more detailed info from Ermintruder:

https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/doppelgängers.20381/post-1685628

 

[blessmycottonsocks]

Owen was the first to publish the story, but he wasn't the original source. He got the story from Baroness Julie de Güldenstubbé, who'd allegedly been one of Ms. Sagee's / Saget's students. See the earlier post with more detailed info from Ermintruder:

https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/doppelgängers.20381/post-1685628

Interesting. Maybe, just maybe, the sceptics on Quora were somewhat over-zealous.
Is Baroness Julie de Güldenstubbé actually on record as having reported the strange events?
I would love the story to be true, but am undecided.

 

[EnolaGaia]

... Is Baroness Julie de Güldenstubbé actually on record as having reported the strange events? ...

Here's what Flammarion wrote about the story's provenance:

https://books.google.com/books?id=3...M#v=onepage&q="Julie de Güldenstubbé"&f=false

I don't know whether the cited 1883 article is drawn from Owen's account or had independently-obtained material.

Similarly, I don't know whether Aksakof relied solely on Owen or had additional sources. Aksakof's Animisme et Spiritisme is a French translation from Russian, and I don't know whether it was ever translated into English.

Flammarion notes that he was acquainted with the baroness, but doesn't mention discussing the Sagee / Saget story with her.

 

[Lord Lucan]

When Crimewatch came for Jamie Oliver:

 

[escargot]

This is rather weird: a widow reckons she saw her definitely-deceased husband in a restaurant's advertising video.

There is no reason to believe the late husband is really alive. It's not a canoe job, as some online wag suggested!

Widow claims her dead husband is alive and eating curry in a restaurant promo video

The video had been posted to the Spice Cottage Facebook page with the caption: ‘Join us for a perfect blend of exquisite flavours, with classical and unique dishes inspired by ancient family recipes.’

One woman, Lucy Watson, frantically commented: ‘How old is the footage? My late husband and his son are on the first shot and he died in 2014??’

A reply from the restaurant stated: ‘Hi Lucy, sorry to hear this. This footage was recorded last week.’
But Lucy, 59, is adamant there is no mistake – and says it is her husband Harry Docherty and his son Alex in the clip.

 

[Erinaceus]

It's the Pepsi that does it!

Pepsi’s marketing campaign between 1963 and 1967 used ‘Come alive! You’re in the Pepsi generation’ in an attempt to revive what had become a boring brand and compete with Coca Cola. In China, the slogan was mistranslated to mean ‘Pepsi brings your ancestors back from the grave’.

 

[lordmongrove]

A Leap In The Dark. The Fetch, a story of an early 19th century doppelganger.

 

[escargot]

Had a doppelgänger experience in Liverpool on Monday evening.

Techy and I were at the Liverpool Philharmonic Hall to see Jethro Tull for his birthday treat. We were staying at the Hope Street Hotel immediately across the road, a couple of minutes' walk away.

After we'd been admitted Techy popped back to the hotel and I ran over to a nearby shop and back.*

As he wasn't at the door where we'd arranged to meet I went outside, expecting him to emerge from the direction of the hotel and cross the road.
This he did and I watched him walk towards me.

A man and a woman were taking the same route nearby. All three disappeared behind a large sign on the pavement but only the couple re-emerged. I watched for a minute or two taking note of everyone standing or moving nearby, but no Techy.

I began to think he was jokingly hiding behind the sign, which I might have done, can't lie! but he still didn't turn up.
Took out my phone to ring him and found missed calls. He was inside the Hall wondering where I was and must have been there since around the time I left the shop.

Maybe the faux-Techy was more of a tulpa than a doppelgänger, who knows?

But I saw him.

Here's the Google view of the street showing the road and sign. I was standing outside looking at the road past the sign.


Hope Street


*The reason was that I'd packed posh glass bottles of mineral water which aren't allowed inside the venue.
So Techy took the bottles back to the hotel and I bought water in plastic bottles.

Techy could easily have taken a little longer than I'd expect because y'all know how much men love to nip back to their hotel room bathroom.
This is how he came to see a hotel ghost last year.

 

[Floyd]

Had a doppelgänger experience in Liverpool on Monday evening.

Techy and I were at the Liverpool Philharmonic Hall to see Jethro Tull for his birthday treat. We were staying at the Hope Street Hotel immediately across the road, a couple of minutes' walk away.

After we'd been admitted Techy popped back to the hotel and I ran over to a nearby shop and back.*

As he wasn't at the door where we'd arranged to meet I went outside, expecting him to emerge from the direction of the hotel and cross the road.
This he did and I watched him walk towards me.

A man and a woman were taking the same route nearby. All three disappeared behind a large sign on the pavement but only the couple re-emerged. I watched for a minute or two taking note of everyone standing or moving nearby, but no Techy.

I began to think he was jokingly hiding behind the sign, which I might have done, can't lie! but he still didn't turn up.
Took out my phone to ring him and found missed calls. He was inside the Hall wondering where I was and must have been there since around the time I left the shop.

Maybe the faux-Techy was more of a tulpa than a doppelgänger, who knows?

But I saw him.

Here's the Google view of the street showing the road and sign. I was standing outside looking at the road past the sign.


Hope Street


*The reason was that I'd packed posh glass bottles of mineral water which aren't allowed inside the venue.
So Techy took the bottles back to the hotel and I bought water in plastic bottles.

Techy could easily have taken a little longer than I'd expect because y'all know how much men love to nip back to their hotel room bathroom.
This is how he came to see a hotel ghost last year.

Could've had a trip to Bold street for us.

 

[escargot]

Could've had a trip to Bold street for us.

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We most certainly did. In fact we traipsed up and down that very thoroughfare several times, stopping for coffee and shop visits.
Nothing weird happened until the doppelgänger incident.

 

[escargot]

I posted about it on Facebook and here are some replies from a former Liverpool police officer -

- I worked in the early 90s as the station officer at the now gone Police station opposite. A lot of history in that part of Liverpool and many stories of seeing things

- it's long gone now. It was the original HQ for Merseyside police then when Canning Place was built It was left to just being an outpost of offices. Working nights in there you were the only person I'm the building but would often hear voices and laughter doors slam and not a single person was there. The roads nearby Hope place and Blackbourne Place. Have historical stories from the Blitz and people seeing figures. Not like ghosts. People that look out of place. I once saw a lady in Hope Place in the day time that looked Victorian and went into one of the old houses there.

- I have over many years seen a few things but seldom shared them. On one occasion I was with someone who is now dead so couldn't corroborate it.
The whole is it a time slip or are you seeing a ghost/echo of the past is always a debatable point and I wonder how much our mind plays tricks on us too

Hoping to beat more details out of him soon.

We stayed at the Hope Street Hotel. Our room was in the charming older part, with wooden beams and sloping floors. I believe the site of the former police station is where the new build stands.

Here's Techy enjoying breakfast. The policeman would recognise this view.
The sign Techy disappeared behind is just out of sight to the right of the scene.

Incidentally, if you travel forward on Earth and take the first right you'll find Hope Place where the policeman saw the Victorian lady.

 

[escargot]

Hoping to beat more details out of him soon.

He's rising to it -

My best was the city centre in my early years and every back alley and jigger. Sometimes you felt like you were somewhere else

 

[Floyd]

- I worked in the early 90s as the station officer at the now gone Police station opposite. A lot of history in that part of Liverpool and many stories of seeing things

- it's long gone now. It was the original HQ for Merseyside police then when Canning Place was built It was left to just being an outpost of offices. Working nights in there you were the only person I'm the building but would often hear voices and laughter doors slam and not a single person was there. The roads nearby Hope place and Blackbourne Place. Have historical stories from the Blitz and people seeing figures. Not like ghosts. People that look out of place. I once saw a lady in Hope Place in the day time that looked Victorian and went into one of the old houses there.

- I have over many years seen a few things but seldom shared them. On one occasion I was with someone who is now dead so couldn't corroborate it.
The whole is it a time slip or are you seeing a ghost/echo of the past is always a debatable point and I wonder how much our mind plays tricks on us too

I think @Carl Grove @Paul_Exeter and @BS3 might also be interested in speaking with/hearing about him.

https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/doppelgängers.20381/page-2#post-2344621

 

[escargot]

He's rising to it -

More from the former policeman -

That whole area is where lots of immigrants lived working on the cathedral and one of the oldest pubs in Liverpool. Hope Street Nick was a haunting place to work

 

[escargot]

I think @Carl Grove @Paul_Exeter and @BS3 might also be interested in speaking with/hearing about him.

https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/doppelgängers.20381/page-2#post-2344621

If they PM me I'll put them onto him.

 

[escargot]

I've just had another look at the street view and noticed that the section of the Hope St Hotel across from the Hall has a sign showing the date 1937.
The new police station was opened in the 1970s. Looks like the old one wasn't demolished and built over as I'd assumed but incorporated into the hotel expansion.
After what the former policeman told me, I wonder if it's haunted too?

Techy and I, we do love ghosts.

Anyway... that area of Liverpool, just along from the famous Bold Street, is supposed to be spooky too.
So perhaps when I saw Techy it was a time slip.

 

[Paul_Exeter]

I've just had another look at the street view and noticed that the section of the Hope St Hotel across from the Hall has a sign showing the date 1937.
The new police station was opened in the 1970s. Looks like the old one wasn't demolished and built over as I'd assumed but incorporated into the hotel expansion.
After what the former policeman told me, I wonder if it's haunted too?

Techy and I, we do love ghosts.

Anyway... that area of Liverpool, just along from the famous Bold Street, is supposed to be spooky too.
So perhaps when I saw Techy it was a time slip.

Really intriguing. Accounts such as these have graced the pages of IHTM and often pop-up on Reddit and elsewhere (despite not being an 'in thing' like Time-slips are right now). Also refreshing to have an account from Liverpool that is free from any trace of Tom Slemen...

I may have experienced something along these lines over recent weeks. When I look out of my kitchen window into the garden my landlords conservatory is on the right and not so far away. They have a small dog that gets extremely anxious when nobody is in the main house and sometimes I let him sit in my kitchen but often I have to ignore him to get any work done. Twice now I have seen the dog in its very anxious state pacing around by the garden gate and yet caught sight of somebody in the conservatory wearing a full length dressing gown. When I look back they have gone but then the landlord and /or family arrive back shortly afterwards. Now it might be a family member I haven't accounted for popping in there to smoke (bad habit) but then the dog should notice them and transfer his attentions to the conservatory. I can't claim anything paranormal yet but I'm certainly keeping an eye out...

 

[frankiefelix]

Scargy is always a hard act to follow BUT, folks I had my second ever doppelganger experience a couple of weeks ago and have been sitting on the story ever since.
Picture, if you will, me sitting in bed around 11 am, casually sipping tea and scrolling Facebook when a ring at the door makes me jump. I answer via the electronic phone thingy and don't at first recognize the voice but they sound panicked so I press the button to admit them to the block. I'm standing in my doorway within a few seconds and assume the visitor will be the chemist's lad with my potions. I'm happily surprised to see my friend's husband step out of the lift, looking panicked. He told me he'd locked his keys in the house and needed Chrissy, my partner, to provide her spare copy and drive him back with it. I said of course and as I glance over his shoulder I see Chrissy coming out of her flat - we live in opposite properties on the same floor - carrying a large orange bucket full of tools and dressed for work. "Hey, there's Chrissy now!", I shouted gleefully. "Really?" said my visitor. "Yes, oh damn she's got in the lift". "I'll get in the other lift and catch up with her in the carpark", says my pal.
Now - after this seemingly ordinary conversation - follows a series of phone calls, texts, chasing around outside and, eventually, inside.

Chrissy had not yet got up and wasn't well. She'd been in bed the whole time this scenario had been playing out and didn't understand what either of us were whittering on about.

I've known Chrissy for the best part of twenty years, we've been a couple for seventeen. She's very distinctive in appearance, as is that orange bucket that is filled up with tools every day for specific jobs. I could even see a short saw sticking out the top. The person I saw come out of her flat, walk through the fire door and into the lift WAS Chrissy. Solid, 3D, in the right clothes, walking the right way BUT she didn't respond to either of us. I'd have sworn in a court that was her. No weird stuff, no semi-transparent phantom appearance. Just her as her. She was freaked out by my account of the experience.

I thought you all might like this as an additon to my story of the doppelganger drummer that is I think on here.

 

[escargot]

Scargy is always a hard act to follow BUT, folks I had my second ever doppelganger experience a couple of weeks ago and have been sitting on the story ever since.
Picture, if you will, me sitting in bed around 11 am, casually sipping tea and scrolling Facebook when a ring at the door makes me jump. I answer via the electronic phone thingy and don't at first recognize the voice but they sound panicked so I press the button to admit them to the block. I'm standing in my doorway within a few seconds and assume the visitor will be the chemist's lad with my potions. I'm happily surprised to see my friend's husband step out of the lift, looking panicked. He told me he'd locked his keys in the house and needed Chrissy, my partner, to provide her spare copy and drive him back with it. I said of course and as I glance over his shoulder I see Chrissy coming out of her flat - we live in opposite properties on the same floor - carrying a large orange bucket full of tools and dressed for work. "Hey, there's Chrissy now!", I shouted gleefully. "Really?" said my visitor. "Yes, oh damn she's got in the lift". "I'll get in the other lift and catch up with her in the carpark", says my pal.
Now - after this seemingly ordinary conversation - follows a series of phone calls, texts, chasing around outside and, eventually, inside.

Chrissy had not yet got up and wasn't well. She'd been in bed the whole time this scenario had been playing out and didn't understand what either of us were whittering on about.

I've known Chrissy for the best part of twenty years, we've been a couple for seventeen. She's very distinctive in appearance, as is that orange bucket that is filled up with tools every day for specific jobs. I could even see a short saw sticking out the top. The person I saw come out of her flat, walk through the fire door and into the lift WAS Chrissy. Solid, 3D, in the right clothes, walking the right way BUT she didn't respond to either of us. I'd have sworn in a court that was her. No weird stuff, no semi-transparent phantom appearance. Just her as her. She was freaked out by my account of the experience.

I thought you all might like this as an additon to my story of the doppelganger drummer that is I think on here.

Se we both saw our Beloveds when they weren't there? Spooky or what.
You had another witness though. Well, any number of passers-by could've seen Techy but they wouldn't be looking closely enough to notice him vanish.

 

[frankiefelix]

Se we both saw our Beloveds when they weren't there? Spooky or what.
You had another witness though. Well, any number of passers-by could've seen Techy but they wouldn't be looking closely enough to notice him vanish.

Yep, and there is no one on that side of the building who looks remotely like Chrissy. Think of a young, wiry, Black African student and a guy of six foot five with a twisted leg. Occasionally the janitor who is small, chubby and grey-haired plus a postal worker or two. The block is like Fort Knox. We don't get randoms.
I wonder if my friend's anxiety had somehow conjured her up?

 

[frankiefelix]

Scargy - the other witness didn't turn round when her door opened and he didn't see her getting on the lift. He was just focused on me, even when I said she was getting in the lift he didn't run to it.

 

[escargot]

Scargy - the other witness didn't turn round when her door opened and he didn't see her getting on the lift. He was just focused on me, even when I said she was getting in the lift he didn't run to it.

It's like they're haunting us while we're all alive.

 

[escargot]

Here's a nice view outside the Philharmonic Hall in Liverpool where I was watching for Techy.
Seems a shame not to share it.

 

[Floyd]

Here's a nice view outside the Philharmonic Hall in Liverpool where I was watching for Techy.
Seems a shame not to share it.

Are they the old-style light bulbs?
I could do with some of those as I'm running out.
Can't be doing with these new fangled rubbish ones.

 

[escargot]

Are they the old-style light bulbs?
I could do with some of those as I'm running out.
Can't be doing with these new fangled rubbish ones.

They just don't hack it do they?