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Drugs in Your Cupboard (Common Substances with Drug Effects)

sureshot~ said:
Another item of interest: http://www.snopes.com/toxins/pantene.htm

And........"Smokin' Banana Peels" by The Dead Milkmen

SMOKIN' BANANA PEELS
burrow owl burrow owl burrow owl smokin' banana peels, see how it feels living is easy with ice cubes the world is swimmin' with electric eels talk seriously to me brother smokin' banana peels, savin' the seals there are four me's living all together got to keep an even keel you've got to take life serially smokin' banana peels in between meals i was all pumped up about the iron let's all pray get down and kneel smokin' banana peels sound like this mellow, it's so mellow mellow, it's so mellow no! it's too mellow! ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya no! it's too mellow! ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya mellow, it's so mellow oh oh oh-oh oh mellow, it's so mellow no! it's too mellow! ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya no! it's so mellow! ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya smokin' banana peels, nothin' is real mites are living in you eyelashes people are makin' important deals they're my fingernails and i'm keeping em smokin' banana peels, savin' the seals (???) up and down between your heels dip your breasts in shimmering lip balm talk to me about elvis take elvis for walk and shut up

For bananas see my post here:

Bananas:
www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 610#643610

There is also a thread on free drugs involving spider venom and cane toad licking:
www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17659

The Pantene one is properly nuts:

Will injecting Pantene brand shampoo get you high?

www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/pantene.asp

On the radio this morning, I heard that students and young adults in England are stealing Pantene shampoo for the purpose of getting high. Apparently they do it IV. I am wondering if anyone has heard about this, and is this activity happening in the US yet?

Origins: Every now and then something shows up in the inbox that we're tempted to dismiss out of hand as "too stupid to have anything to it." That was the case with this rumor about British teens shooting up Pantene in an effort to earn themselves a buzz. Clearly, this had to be another Internet leg-pull, right?

Uh, wrong. According to news reports coming out of northern Britain, kids have been stealing bottles of Pantene Pro V brand shampoo, believing the product contains additives that will induce hallucinations. Shampoo has been slipping off the shelves and into youngsters' pockets since late 1999, leaving local shopkeepers mystified. (One usually expects the light-fingered Louies to make off with the booze and non-prescription drugs. The sudden interest in shampoo was a puzzler.)

So far the problem has remained confined to the northern town of Sunderland, but in the world of rumor, such confinements are short-lived at best.

Anyone in Sunderland who can confirm this?
 
Heh, this thread is great.
You can find out all the validity of all this stuff at a combination of erowid and snopes. Or from some idiot who has taken a lot of drugs. ;)

Personally I could never get banana skins to dry at all :p

Smoking just about anything does have a mild short term effect but there are very few things that are actually pleasant to smoke, most things just taste like inhaling bonfire smoke and make you dizzy for about 4 seconds. The exceptions are well known.

Absinthe is a triumph of hype. It was banned in some countries mainly because it was the White Lightning of it's day, not because it is hallucinogenic. Thujone is psychoactive but not particularly trippy and is present in only small amounts in absinthe. Quite fond of the stuff nonetheless.

There's a fairly convincing arguement that the outlawing of cannabis in the states (which kicked off the whole drug prohibition thing worldwide) was racially motivated.

Poppy tea is a popular brew amongst those with chronic pain conditions who can't get enough analgesics from the doctors (especially in USA it appears) and with some recovering opiate addicts and not a few people who just like poppy tea. It is made from the dried heads of papavar somniferum which can be bought online or from florists. Poppy seeds for cooking do contain traces but are not viable for drug use.

Salvia divinorum seems to work for some people and not for others and it is a very all or nothing kind of hit ... either you get the above mentioned 4 seconds of dizziness from smoking something or you get smeared across the ceiling. Me, I'm never touching it again! :O

DXM and nitrous oxide, available in those small 'whippet' canisters (like soda bottle chargers, but nitrous oxide rather than carbon dioxide), are both pretty powerful dissociatives, like ketamine. I love nitrous oxide but it is hard to get much going on from those iddy biddy little things, you need a tank really, and since they don't let dentists play with the stuff any more that can be tricky to organise. DXM is more a US teen thing than anything else - it's quite hard work in large doses so you have to be fairly dedicated/desperate.

Never done morning glory seeds, but they require a fair bit of processing to not make you feel pretty rough, as I understand it. Nutmeg is going to make you feel dreadful no matter what. All the anticholinergic drugs (datura etc) are just plain scary and not unlikely to do you a serious nasty so best stay away. Same goes for the inhalant drugs which you probably *do* have kicking around at home ... solvents - paints, glues, cleaning products, aerosols etc. Say what you like about the increased availablity of drugs like cannabis amongst the youth of today, at least it's probably responsible for the decline in popularity of glue-sniffing, which was offing kids left right and centre when I was young.

Obviously only very specific species of mushrooms are hallucinogenic. I've never done amanitas, which is another rough trip, but the psilocybin mushrooms and I were good friends once upon a time and they do grow wild in many countrties. Always a danger of getting the wrong ones if you don't know what you're after though, which could end very badly.

Don't lick toads. Seriously. If you want to milk the bufotine and 5Meo-DMT rich secretions of the relevant species, dry them and smoke it that's another matter, but I still don't recommend it, personally. I never fancied 5Meo and bufotine is supposed to be horrible.
NNDmt though I'm quite fascinated by ... it's present in tiny quantities in just about all living things, including the human brain, and may well have an integral role in consciousness; it has fairly high concentrations in some plants and is one of the two main active ingrediants in ayahuasca / yage, which I still hope to try one day but probably not any day soon.
There are thousands of plant psychoactives around the world which are not illegal and have been used for thousands of years but to be honest all the ones that can actually be called 'fun' are now illegal. The remaining legal/herbal 'highs' are mostly either so subtle you'll probably announce they are bunk, or so unpleasant you'll wish you'd not bothered. It's not all pretty visions and dancing being a shaman, y'know ... there's a fair bit of pain and throwing up too. There are also a fair few 'research chemicals' ... so far legal synthetic psychoactives available to buy and try but you are fairly unchartered territory regarding dosage and effects, not to mention the guys in A&E having no sodding clue how to help you if you end up in there. Erowid can tell you all you need to know if you espeially want to go down either of these two routes.

As for banging up shampoo .... that's not on my list. You would be surprised the depths of depravity some needle junkies will sink to ... some are almost as obsessed with the process of injecting as with the effects of the drug and you've probably never known desperation like a real smack addict who can't score so anything is possible. Like smoking, injecting pretty much anything will have an effect but as soon as you break the blood/air barrier you are just asking for trouble imo.

In short, my advice for people looking to 'get high' would be ... forget the kitchen cupboards and ask around your friends, your kids, your colleagues ... someone will undoubtedly be able to give/sell/score you a bit of weed or something. It's by far the easiest and quite possibly the safest way.
 
The remaining legal/herbal 'highs' are mostly either so subtle you'll probably announce they are bunk, or so unpleasant you'll wish you'd not bothered.

Is Kava Kava still legal in the UK? I tried some maybe 15 years ago and got a difinite result, though it was in the latter category. Hell of a mess when you spend 8 hours trying to open your wrist with a blunt kitchen knife...


I love nitrous oxide but it is hard to get much going on from those iddy biddy little things, you need a tank really, and since they don't let dentists play with the stuff any more that can be tricky to organise.

A friend used to know some bikers who had a knack for lifting not quite empty cylinders from round the back of abortion clinics. It's supposed to be a pretty good hit, though i'm told it knocks off brain cells at a fairly frightening rate...


It is made from the dried heads of papavar somniferum which can be bought online or from florists.

That's interesting, i'd no idea you could make tea from the heads. I got what were supposedly papaver somniferum seeds from a supplier a long time back (told at the time it was legal to grow them in the UK as the climate isn't suitable for a serious harvest) and still have a few growing in the garden. Mostly i never tried them 'cos it was so much trouble to slash enough seed pods then collect the miniscule amounts of resin, and the one time i did, i think my flatmate threw the stuff out before i got round to using it. Maybe i'll try out the tea if i get enough some time...

Got some Peyote seeds at the same time which did appear to be bona fide, very slow growers though, took about 10 years to reach maybe 3cm diameter. Always hesitant to try them as there's apparently cramps and vomiting involved, then they 'accidentally' wintered outside one year and that was the end of them:(

Nutmet does work, tried it twice a long time ago, surprisingly with little ill effect, and quite a strong LSD type trip, particularly memorable for an odd synasthesia type effect i got once where it felt like i was a pool of water rippling in time to the music i was listening to. Wouldn't try it again though, as it can apparently cause very nasty liver damage...
 
Is Kava Kava still legal in the UK? I tried some maybe 15 years ago and got a difinite result, though it was in the latter category. Hell of a mess when you spend 8 hours trying to open your wrist with a blunt kitchen knife...
I think it is still legal. Most I ever got from it was a numb mouth and groaning guts, but some people rave about it.

Got some Peyote seeds at the same time which did appear to be bona fide, very slow growers though, took about 10 years to reach maybe 3cm diameter. Always hesitant to try them as there's apparently cramps and vomiting involved, then they 'accidentally' wintered outside one year and that was the end of them:(
Didn't think of cacti. You can buy Peyote and San Pedro cactus, which is also supposed to be pretty potent, but there really isn't a pleasant way to eat the slimy inside of a cactus and throwing up is pretty much a cert I'm told.
 
BlackRiverFalls said:
Is Kava Kava still legal in the UK? I tried some maybe 15 years ago and got a difinite result, though it was in the latter category.

I've been trying to get hold of it for some time now with no luck, e.g from Neals Yard and the story goes that a dodgy batch resulted in some people developing liver problems which prompted it to be banned in England and AFAIK it still is. It has allegedly been relegalised in Wales tho.
 
The legal status of kava seems to be a bit hazy.
A quick Google seems to show that the Germans banned it because of high dosage pills on the market possibly causing liver damage, and the UK followed suit in 2002.
The most recent legislation I can find is this
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2004/20040455.htm
which seems to be suggesting that it is Ok to sell it if it originates from a European country, which it generally doesn't, or from a European country where it is freely available.

I had no idea it had been banned in the first place.
 
_Lizard23_ said:
Got some Peyote seeds at the same time which did appear to be bona fide, very slow growers though, took about 10 years to reach maybe 3cm diameter. Always hesitant to try them as there's apparently cramps and vomiting involved, then they 'accidentally' wintered outside one year and that was the end of them:(
Didn't think of cacti. You can buy Peyote and San Pedro cactus, which is also supposed to be pretty potent, but there really isn't a pleasant way to eat the slimy inside of a cactus and throwing up is pretty much a cert I'm told.

Didn't William S. Burroughs try peyote once and say it made everything look like cacti?
 
LOL I think you're right, think it's mentioned in his autobiography, though it's a bloody long time since i read that too...
 
Didn't William S. Burroughs try peyote once and say it made everything look like cacti?
Ooh not sure.
I do know that if you read The Yage Letters about his ayahuasca experiences it becomes clear that this is how he got a lot of the imagery that turns up in his other work.
I also love the way he rants and raves in his letters to Allen Ginsberg about the whole experience and then the final letter is Ginsberg writing to him about his and basically saying 'arrrgh I'm scared I don't like it I wanna go home'.
 
Legal High

Recently, whilst on a boring stag weekend in Newquay, Cornwall, I decided to liven things up by purchasing a legal high from one of those shops that sells trinkets, porn, legal drugs and vicious looking weaponry that you seem to find in seaside towns and back alleys occasionally. I asked the man what he recommended and he said that the "pep pills" were quite good. I knew that pep pills were stimulants and that students used to take them to stay awake whilst cramming for exams. In fact I remembered an episode of Quincy MD, where (as usual) Quincy was on his high-horse, bemoaning the use of these pills by students (someone had died). Anyway, I assumed from this that they would be like a strong "Pro-plus" pill or something. I have taken speed once in the past and it didn't have much effect on me.

So I took one of the pills early in the evening and waited an hour or so and nothing much seemed to be happening, so I popped another one. This was the Sunday night and everyone decided to go to bed relatively early (boring bastards). I was still wide awake at 6 in the morning, begging the hotel barman to keep the bar open. It was like having verbal incontinence. I couldn't shut up. My heart was racing and I only went to bed when paranoia set in and I was suddenly convinced all the locals were looking at me viciously and were about to set on me. This might have actually been the case as I was talking total shit to anyone who would listen. I didn't sleep a wink and had to drive back to London the next day.

I have a new respect for legal highs and if I'd been in a nightclub, rather than a crappy hotel bar, then who knows, it might have been fun. Never again though!
 
Re: Legal High

liger7 said:
Recently, whilst on a boring stag weekend in Newquay, Cornwall, I decided to liven things up by purchasing a legal high from one of those shops that sells trinkets, porn, legal drugs and vicious looking weaponry that you seem to find in seaside towns and back alleys occasionally. I asked the man what he recommended and he said that the "pep pills" were quite good. I knew that pep pills were stimulants and that students used to take them to stay awake whilst cramming for exams. In fact I remembered an episode of Quincy MD, where (as usual) Quincy was on his high-horse, bemoaning the use of these pills by students (someone had died). Anyway, I assumed from this that they would be like a strong "Pro-plus" pill or something. I have taken speed once in the past and it didn't have much effect on me.

So I took one of the pills early in the evening and waited an hour or so and nothing much seemed to be happening, so I popped another one. This was the Sunday night and everyone decided to go to bed relatively early (boring bastards). I was still wide awake at 6 in the morning, begging the hotel barman to keep the bar open. It was like having verbal incontinence. I couldn't shut up. My heart was racing and I only went to bed when paranoia set in and I was suddenly convinced all the locals were looking at me viciously and were about to set on me. This might have actually been the case as I was talking total shit to anyone who would listen. I didn't sleep a wink and had to drive back to London the next day.

I have a new respect for legal highs and if I'd been in a nightclub, rather than a crappy hotel bar, then who knows, it might have been fun. Never again though!

Almost certainly contained ephedra, works similar to amphetamine but much, much weaker.
 
I haven't read all this thread so apologies if I'm repeating things already said. A while ago I started buying fresh nutmeg instead of the ready grated stuff I'd always used for cooking. I went through a phase of putting fresh nutmeg in just about everything I cooked - including my drinks. After a few days I noticed that I was very on-edge all the time, was having real touble getting to sleep, my heart was constantly racing and I was having weird mood swings. I don't know if it was because of the nutmeg but as soon as it occured to me I stopped putting it in my food and the symptoms all stopped within a day. I probably have quite a low resistance to these things because I don't take any drugs, or even drink alcohol, but I found it quite frightening - especially the racing heart and palpitations - and I would just warn people to be a bit careful.
 
both white cabbage and aubergine contain small amounts of nicotine. The equivalent to 1 cigarette in a 28g portion of either
 
IIrc in the soviet era people in Poland and Ukraine used to make heroin out of lettuce or cabbage, some process involving sap I think.
 
crunchy5 said:
IIrc in the soviet era people in Poland and Ukraine used to make heroin out of lettuce or cabbage, some process involving sap I think.


Giant wild lettuce does indeed contain opiates, thats one mashed up salad bowl dude!!
 
Smackdown, ken

I don't know if this has any basis in rumour, as it was the butt of many jokes, but whilst at St Andrews, I heard many a tale of Dundonians mixing crack with Ronseal Quick Drying Wood Stain ("Does exactly what it says on the tin..."), drying out the gloopy mess that ensued, and then smoking it. It was calle dSmackdown, and although I met many people who claim to have met someone who smoked it, I've never met a user firsthand. Has anyone else heard of it?

Anybody who has lived in or near Dundee for a while will attest to the higher likeliness of this kind of thing occuring there.
 
I just read an article claiming that the opium poppy is indeed common, and grows comfortably all over the world - but "they" know they couldn't do an effective job of suppressing, so "they" just don't let anyone know that those big poppies that grow everywhere are in fact opium, and let myths that opium can only grow in semi tropical hillsides thrive, etc. And that the reason that people test positive for opium after eating bagels is that the seeds are in fact from that plant.

I've tried so called chinese opium cabbage, and it was crap.

I've also never got nutmeg to work, although i can probably never be bothered to grate enough of the stuff. All accounts seem to say that it's very unpleasant, though?
 
Heh! My uncle has had a large patch of opium poppies thriving in his garden for the past 25 years.

This year has been one of the biggest 'shows' that I've ever seen. The poppy heads were almost the size of duck eggs, they were huge. The flowers themselves, just a bit smaller than a dinner plate. I really have never seen them so big.

As far as I know, nobody has ever commented on them outside of the family i.e. his neighbours etc.. I guess that most people walking past the front of his house wouldn't equate poppies grown in a scrappy, council estate garden as being the kind that produce opium.
 
perhaps giving away a little too much of myself here, but I've consistently failed to get high off these so called opium poppies.
 
H_James said:
perhaps giving away a little too much of myself here, but I've consistently failed to get high off these so called opium poppies.
Russian junkies, in the north, boil up sacks full of the heads in a desperate effort to get out of it, apparently. :(
 
I think like some other 'drug' plants, while they will grow in this country the yield of active chemicals is low due to the climate.

Pretty much the definitive site for opium poppy info is http://www.poppies.org with full details on how to obtain and prepare the stuff and what was, when I used to read it regularly, a thriving message board.

As I think I've mentioned before there is something of an opium tea underground amongst people suffering from chronic pain conditions (especially in the States where financial factors come into play in such cases) and depression as well as opiate and opioid addicts of various hues.

Opiates are odd drugs, they're really not much 'fun' - the euphoria is overhyped in my opinion and their greatest attributes come from inducing a feeling of physical and emotional warmth and comfort which is really quite subtle unless you happened to be in pain or suffering the effects of withdrawal to begin with. Of the lot of them opium itself is probably the most like what people generally imagine 'drugs' to be, i.e. it's a bit trippy, but even that mainly just makes you throw up and nod off.
 
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