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With the new issue out on Thursday (7 January 2010), I had thought that subscribers would have their copy already, but it appears no-one has yet. It'll turn up! :)
 
Probably caught up in the freeze. A postie is in a snowdrift clutching your copy.

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illuminati x-factor - who really controls the worlds pop stars? - the occult celebrity conspiracy revealed
philip k dick's nazis vs the fbi
walking zombies
bleeding statues
pop culture saints
top 10 mind-controlled pop stars
psychic detectives
norways mystery lights
chimp's funeral
 
ramonmercado said:
Probably caught up in the freeze. A postie is in a snowdrift clutching your copy.

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Since I am in Australia, I doubt he's in a snowdrift, unless climate change has gotten really out of hand! ;) But having posted this, I suspect my copy will be waiting for me when I get home from work!
 
original_fLeebLe said:
illuminati x-factor - who really controls the worlds pop stars? - the occult celebrity conspiracy revealed
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I'm awaiting a scan of this from a friend, sadly no longer of this site, who says:
It's identical to something you'd read on Geocities in the late 90s. Just some guy rambling on about how fashion and music is run by inter-dimensional lizards. Seriously. I want it to be a joke, but it probably isn't. It's just a totally one-sided delusional, mentally ill rant about a conspiracy theory with no references or sources or anything, just someone gabbling on. Everything is "according to associates of David Icke" or "according to occult celebrity watchers". At one point he even says "according to bloggers". Then he lists the 10 secret mind control symbols in videos and movies. These include butterflies, dolls, pink, purple and rainbow colours and blonde women.
Seriously.
It doesn't once state what the point of controlling everyone via the media is, just that the illuminati want to control us and make things bad. Yeah. But why?
Ok I know what you're going to say, why am I surprised, I've seen this level of bollocks before. But it's because it's in the Fortean Times. I know they went shit a while back but this seems to be the final straw. Just printing some paranoid arseclatterings off the internet, that's basically what it is. I'm amazed they'd sink so low. I expect they will be hammered with emails about it. Crikey. All I can hope is that it's a joke and they've done it on purpose, but I can't see any evidence of that.
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Hmmm :/
 
original_fLeebLe said:
bleeding statues
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I'm looking forward to this - bloody great monuments to jumped-up types really get on my nerves, so they do...
 
Patrick Harpur is back with Higgs bonus daemons. Always thought provoking and even when he's wrong he's more engaging than than most writers. I'll make a plea for fewer pop culture articles. Again. The film and games reviews look increasingly misplaced, if not dull.

Come on Dr DS, shake the bag or at least give the mag a makeover.
 
Mine's here, and there was a big sticker on the front saying 'THIS EDITION NOT AVAILABLE IN AUSTRALIA'. :lol:
 
I'm only hoping the cover article isn't some bastard offspring of Hello! and Nexus.
 
It is. That's EXACTLY what it is. :D
 
escargot1 said:
Mine's here, and there was a big sticker on the front saying 'THIS EDITION NOT AVAILABLE IN AUSTRALIA'. :lol:
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One would hope not! I need my Fortean Fix each month!
 
escargot1 said:
It is. That's EXACTLY what it is. :D
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Yup, just been reading it and after two excellent pop culture lead articles from the past two issues, this is a real comedown. I don't think trawling conspiracy message boards is much good for research.

I wouldn't have minded a "look at the funny man" perspective on it, but it almost takes this stuff at face value (writing "according to" before all those quotes doesn't really distance the author from the tittle-tattle).
 
The article about "Zombie" flash-mobs had me laughing. The idea of allegedly sane people dressing up like zombies and behaving like such (i.e. bashing into signposts and aimlessly scrabbling at car windows) surely isn't too bright. After all, all it would take is a mentally disturbed person becoming alarmed by such groups ... and start hacking their heads off with shovels, axes etc.

The whole thing about the new incarnation of the Illuminati/Icke pananoia is pretty funny too. They must think they are the only non-MK'd ones left since there are so many "symbols" around now, you can't avoid it. Gotta agree with the general comment on Lady Gaga's artificial persona, though: isn't so much occult as adolescent.
 
The Pop - Illuminati article is far too silly to take seriously (but then the author does specialise in irony)

However what a co-incidence! the #1 Pop Illuminati figure is Lady Gaga, who is at #1 in the British singles charts the same week that the issue of Fortean Times is published.
 
The pop-illuminati article was most enjoyable. I liked the top 10. The tongue is placed very firmly in the cheek there. It reads like your local bull-shitter from down the pub telling one of his yarns. Sounds plausible if it wasn't so detailed, but the more you ask questions the more ridiculous the story becomes.

Saying that though, anyone else notice though that the apps icon on an iphone is quite similar to a masonic compass? Oh. My. God. They're coming to get us all........! :eek:
 
colpepper1 said:
Patrick Harpur is back with Higgs bonus daemons. Always thought provoking
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The only thought it provoked with me was "he doesn't know what he's talking about." He doesn't seem to have any grasp of physics, and his main complaint is these blasted scientists keep finding out things about the universe when he wants it to stay mysterious.

Or is there more to it than that?
 
Stormkhan said:
Gotta agree with the general comment on Lady Gaga's artificial persona, though: isn't so much occult as adolescent.
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I might go further. Exactly how would you expect an attention-seeking pop star with a good grasp of popular culture to behave? I think Lady Gaga plays the media brilliantly - the Jesus to Madonna's John the Baptist, if you like.
 
I was intrigued by Stephen Thackery's letter replying to Bob Rickard about Earthlights, looks like I might have to break out the green ink: "we know nothing of the sort" do we?

gncxx said:
escargot1 said:
It is. That's EXACTLY what it is. :D
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Yup, just been reading it and after two excellent pop culture lead articles from the past two issues, this is a real comedown. I don't think trawling conspiracy message boards is much good for research.

I wouldn't have minded a "look at the funny man" perspective on it, but it almost takes this stuff at face value (writing "according to" before all those quotes doesn't really distance the author from the tittle-tattle).
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Yes I'm in two minds about this.

There has been a big upsurge in synchromysticism recently at it is well worth an article looking at the phenomena but is this that article? It plays it rather straight which could be taken as a tongue-in-cheek approach (if you read between the lines and see a quizzically cocked eyebrow and the occasional wink) but it still seems a bit shallow and lacking in analysis.

In some ways it is very similar to the Fayette Factor. There it can be argued that the Marquis de Lafayette travelled across America imposing the name and enacting Masonic rituals at certain hotspots of high strangeness, which we still see bubbling up today in news reports. Or it is the human mind imposing such a pattern on a random set of data. In synchromysticism, it could be argued that shadowy groups are turning the media into a vast occult working and/or vehicle for insidious mind control - essentially conquering the cultural/symbolic landscape for their own ends. Or it is just pop culture apophenia.
 
wembley9 said:
Stormkhan said:
Gotta agree with the general comment on Lady Gaga's artificial persona, though: isn't so much occult as adolescent.
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I might go further. Exactly how would you expect an attention-seeking pop star with a good grasp of popular culture to behave? I think Lady Gaga plays the media brilliantly - the Jesus to Madonna's John the Baptist, if you like.
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Equally, a canny media manipulator would probably stumble across blogs discussing subliminal occult imagery as it applied to you and the obvious thing would be to work it into videos, songs and costumes as it helps create a buzz that you are worth keeping an eye on which generates sales. She could be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
I'd never heard of Lady Gaga. I gather she's a cross between Cindy Sherman and David Bowie, someone who's raided the dressing up box and is keeping a straight face about it? Good for her.
From the Patrick Harpur article I took the idea this particle accelerator or whatever the hell it is looks like a gothic cathedral, which it does. It also looks like Mousetrap meets Meccano set 1 trillion, which is what it cost I'll wager.

And they say there's a recession, tsk.
 
colpepper1 said:
From the Patrick Harpur article I took the idea this particle accelerator or whatever the hell it is looks like a gothic cathedral, which it does.
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To me it looks like every other particle accelerator....they don't put a lot of effort into how they look (the opposite of a cathedral in some ways - but then it's not designed for lots of people to visit every week). I think he may have been over-influenced by the "god-particle" hype.
 
Overall I thought it was a pretty poor edition and it seemed very thin - not a lot of reading in it.

As an aside, I dislike the "themed" editions and would prefer more of a mix of articles.
 
wembley9 said:
Stormkhan said:
Gotta agree with the general comment on Lady Gaga's artificial persona, though: isn't so much occult as adolescent.
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I might go further. Exactly how would you expect an attention-seeking pop star with a good grasp of popular culture to behave? I think Lady Gaga plays the media brilliantly - the Jesus to Madonna's John the Baptist, if you like.
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I thought that Top 10 of Pop Stars was a disgrace. Pure speculation and conjecture based on things like Lady Gaga dresses a bit weird, Rihanna covers her eye in some photos, Robbie Williams seemed like a confused buffoon on X Factor.

It certainly wasn't the kind of standard of article I'd expect to read in FT. I'm no snob and certainly wouldn't want to think FT could only cover high brow stuff, I'm very interested in the genuine weirdness to be found in the entertainment industry.

That piece however was just pure trash!
 
colpepper1 said:
Patrick Harpur is back with Higgs bonus daemons. Always thought provoking and even when he's wrong he's more engaging than than most writers. I'll make a plea for fewer pop culture articles. Again. The film and games reviews look increasingly misplaced, if not dull.

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That's what happens when you treat science as purely symbolic and metaphorical. Take the maths away and treat it all as analogy. You don't have much left, except magical thinking.

It starts out with a false analogy: Matter=Material | Energy=Spirit and goes downhill from there. By my understanding of modern physics, Energy and Matter are both expressions of the same Material Universe, E=MC².

Harpur's little Daimons running about holding everything together, reminded me of the end of Keith Robert's 1960's 'What If' science fiction novel, 'Pavane', depicting an alternate reality, where Queen Elizabeth I had been assassinated and the Protestant Reformation had failed. The Age of Reason, was overshadowed by Catholic orthodoxy and the Church of Rome. The scientific and industrial revolutionary advances of the next 400 years are thereby slowed to a statelier dance of progress, rather than a 'revolution' of change.

By the end of the book, also set in the mid 1960s, in that timeline, electricity is finally being experimented with and used. But, the theory of electricity is based on a sophisticated version of the concept of tiny enabling daemons which make it all work. Not because it is an equally valid and true theory on a footing with the one accepted in our reality, but because it can be made to fit within the accepted tenets of Catholic dogma.

I'm quite enjoying the articles on World Wide Conspiracy Theories and the Cult of Celebrity. Possibly more relevant than how many Daemons, Daimons, or Angels can dance in a cloud chamber, in my book. ;)
 
I have to admit the Pop Illuminati was a bit of a laugh, although I must say I have never heard of Lady Gaga - I live a very sheltered life!
 
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