MorningAngel
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Has anyone heard of any hauntings from fairly modern tragedies? Like 9/11 or 7/7 or any other bombings in the last 50 odd years?
There are stories about the Japanese tsunami ghosts. I'm fairly sure that I've heard stories about 9/11 ghosts too.
You’d think something like that would leave a mark one way or another.A hysterically crying young woman was seen several times at the top of the escalators in the 'Khyber Pass' ticket hall at Kings Cross St Pancras London Underground station after the 1987 fire disaster that killed 31 people. The whole concourse was remodelled between 2006 and 2010 but I haven't seen any information online indicating whether or not she has been spotted since then.
A hysterically crying young woman was seen several times at the top of the escalators in the 'Khyber Pass' ticket hall at Kings Cross St Pancras London Underground station after the 1987 fire disaster that killed 31 people. The whole concourse was remodelled between 2006 and 2010 but I haven't seen any information online indicating whether or not she has been spotted since then.
Interesting with the past life. But there’s a reason past lives aren’t often remembered, it’s because we need to get on with the present one. This poor kid seems to have kept the memories longer than most do.9/11 ghost?
"Jacie's father had recently died in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center. O'Brien said she tried to gently probe Jacie, who revealed that her daddy had been telling her "knock, knock" jokes. Jacie also could recite the names of her father's co-workers, who had all died in the attack -- many of whom her mother said she had never met"
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/911-widows-deceased-relatives-communicate-grave/story?id=10891128
And a claimed reincarnation:
I remember reading The Strangers by Matthew Manning (I think - it was a long time ago), where the author described talking to a ghost or spirit in a room where someone had committed suicide, with a shotgun as I recall it. While I am not particularly impressed by the claims of self-proclaimed psychics and sensitives, I found Manning's accounts in The Strangers interesting. He claimed that the ghost/spirit was just reliving what he used to do (I have the feeling the man had been a recluse alcoholic), and had no memory of having committed suicide.It's an interesting question, that goes along with ghosts in modern clothes' thread
I do wonder if some ghosts are spirts that don't know they are dead and some just keep reliving their last moments
Impressive case this one and we have discussed it on here. There is one cloud hanging over it, however, as a Police source later claimed only one call was received and this opened up the possibility the call was a 'cloaked' confession of involvement - can anyone fin the thread?What about the crash, reported in t'Mag, where drivers passing the spot kept seeing it being replayed?
The police eventually investigated the area and found the car in with the driver dead inside.
I remember where it happened - on the A3 near Burpham, outside Guildford, Surrey - my neck of the woods.Impressive case this one and we have discussed it on here. There is one cloud hanging over it, however, as a Police source later claimed only one call was received and this opened up the possibility the call was a 'cloaked' confession of involvement - can anyone fin the thread?
Here:I remember where it happened - on the A3 near Burpham, outside Guildford, Surrey - my neck of the woods.
Interesting story. Though there is some discrepancy in the telling. At one point, it is relayed that the boy remembers being in a building and then something hitting it and explosions, later they talk about his fear of planes because a plane hit the towers.9/11 ghost?...
And a claimed reincarnation:
Yes, one of many...!There was a good one in one of the Credible Witness books where they were chasing a car it crashed and they saw a crim the knew running away from the car only to discover he died in the crash.
Can they prove he wasn't left in front of the tv when one of the great number of 9/11 documentaries was on? Because it just sounds like he got all his information from a tv programme watched by a toddler, perhaps there was a wider family member with a minor obsession with this disaster who talked about it and showed him footage and/or images? For example, my Gran used to talk about WW2 with me when I was was a toddler for no other reason than she had lived through it, it had taken there life of my grandfather and back then it was only three decades ago.Interesting story. Though there is some discrepancy in the telling. At one point, it is relayed that the boy remembers being in a building and then something hitting it and explosions, later they talk about his fear of planes because a plane hit the towers.
I would believe that someone involved in the 9/11 disaster might have memories of something hitting the building. I don't believe that anyone who didn't survive would know it was a plane. There was no forewarning. Very few people may have been looking out the windows at time of impact, but no one would be looking out to see a plane. It's more likely that they would not have known what the impact was caused by.
I do think that the parents dwelling on the past life are not helping their son, but possibly feeding his fears with their own.
I totally thought this about his "recollections". Parents stated that he wasn't in school or anything when he started talking about this.Can they prove he wasn't left in front of the tv when one of the great number of 9/11 documentaries was on? Because it just sounds like he got all his information from a tv programme watched by a toddler, perhaps there was a wider family member with a minor obsession with this disaster who talked about it and showed him footage and/or images?
Very possible. As a very young child, certainly well pre-school age, I used to tell the neighbour to stop hanging out the washing because rain was coming. I was always right. She started consulting me about it!Can they prove he wasn't left in front of the tv when one of the great number of 9/11 documentaries was on? Because it just sounds like he got all his information from a tv programme watched by a toddler
And, of course, in cases like this there's always the chance that there was actually someone else in the car at the time, who runs away and it's a misidentification due to the stress. It's easy to say 'it was definitely him!' but when you're expecting to see a particular person, then maybe that's who you actually see?There was a good one in one of the Credible Witness books where they were chasing a car it crashed and they saw a crim they knew running away from the car only to discover he died in the crash.
A fair point but from the description of the car was the roof had caved in:And, of course, in cases like this there's always the chance that there was actually someone else in the car at the time, who runs away and it's a misidentification due to the stress. It's easy to say 'it was definitely him!' but when you're expecting to see a particular person, then maybe that's who you actually see?
And, of course, in cases like this there's always the chance that there was actually someone else in the car at the time, who runs away and it's a misidentification due to the stress. It's easy to say 'it was definitely him!' but when you're expecting to see a particular person, then maybe that's who you actually see?
Not sure I understand your post, this happened in the UK and was told first-hand to the author by a police colleague. To the best of my knowledge it has never appeared in print form anywhere other than the 'Credible Witness' book.Somewhat deflatingly, since reading Credible Witness (which I really like), I've read at least two other versions of this story from US law enforcement sources. Which suggests:
- It's a law enforcement UL - a kind of copper-centric phantom hitchhiker legend.
- Dead people's spirits regularly do up and scoot from their corporeal shell immediately its been made redundant by a windscreen - before realising that they don't have to run, because they are dead...and a ghost.
- There was someone else in the car - and they were on their toes before the coppers had a chance to unclip their seatbelts.
Disappointingly, I think the latter is the most likely.
Not sure I understand your post, this happened in the UK and was told first-hand to the author by a police colleague. To the best of my knowledge it has never appeared in print form anywhere other than the 'Credible Witness' book.
The car was travelling at high speed, clipped a curb, flipped over as it became airborne and then smashed roof first into a lamp post. The interior of the car was completely crushed by the force of the impact and had to be cut away by the fire brigade before they could even see inside the interior. The G-force alone would have caused significant injury, never mind how you get out of a car when the roof has just caved in.
Of course the officer concerned could have invented the whole experience, but then if we take that approach then we may as well shut down this forum as witness testimony is pretty much all we have in most instances. Also, there is the road crash and deceased person walking past that kid in the 'Sixth Sense" which might explain where the US myth originated...?
...Of course the officer concerned could have invented the whole experience, but then if we take that approach then we may as well shut down this forum as witness testimony is pretty much all we have in most instances.
...Sorry if this sounds defensive but I don't feel we should dismiss this case because of some UL in the States.
Fair assessment.On reflection, my wording was probably misleading. When I said 'versions of this story', I didn't mean to imply the precise events of this specific tale - I meant the general motif. For instance, the very first story in Loren W. Christensen's Cops' True Stories Of The Paranormal - which is US based, follows a very similar narrative (the chapter is called Vanished, and the author/witness of the particular story is named as a Kerry L Wood).
And without some sort of scrutiny - we might as well be Reddit. In which case - it's all demons
I like Gilbert's books very much, and was possibly the first person on this board to recommend him. I have no doubt about Gilbert's honesty, but we have absolutely no way of knowing how honest his interviewees are.
That said, I find most of the tales in Gilbert's books pretty convincing - and am sure that most of his interviewees had something happen to them (or genuinely believed they had) - but when remarkable stories which follow the same narrative pattern very closely appear in disparate places, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to at least consider the possibility of a UL floating around in the mix. (And - I should point out - consider was actually all I did.)
In terms of Urban Legends I don't really buy into the idea that a US example and a UK example cannot be connected because of national boundaries. Some ULs are very localised, but many are virtually universal. I also have no doubt that ULs connected to specific job types can be connected to each other across geographical boundaries.
I'm definitely not a hardened sceptic when it comes to ghosts (or whatever the phenomena I'm pretty sure we lump together as 'ghosts' may be). However, I do reserve the right not to simply accept everything at face value, just because the subject is one I'm broadly sympathetic to.
Also worth bearing in mind is that just because a UL exists, doesn't mean that events matching the UL do not occur. I think particularly of phantom hitch-hikers/phantom pedestrian impacts, where well established ULs exist, yet some of the witness accounts are very compelling.On reflection, my wording was probably misleading. When I said 'versions of this story', I didn't mean to imply the precise events of this specific tale - I meant the general motif. For instance, the very first story in Loren W. Christensen's Cops' True Stories Of The Paranormal - which is US based, follows a very similar narrative (the chapter is called Vanished, and the author/witness of the particular story is named as a Kerry L Wood).
And without some sort of scrutiny - we might as well be Reddit. In which case - it's all demons
I like Gilbert's books very much, and was possibly the first person on this board to recommend him. I have no doubt about Gilbert's honesty, but we have absolutely no way of knowing how honest his interviewees are.
That said, I find most of the tales in Gilbert's books pretty convincing - and am sure that most of his interviewees had something happen to them (or genuinely believed they had) - but when remarkable stories which follow the same narrative pattern very closely appear in disparate places, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to at least consider the possibility of a UL floating around in the mix. (And - I should point out - consider was actually all I did.)
In terms of Urban Legends I don't really buy into the idea that a US example and a UK example cannot be connected because of national boundaries. Some ULs are very localised, but many are virtually universal. I also have no doubt that ULs connected to specific job types can be connected to each other across geographical boundaries.
I'm definitely not a hardened sceptic when it comes to ghosts (or whatever the phenomena I'm pretty sure we lump together as 'ghosts' may be). However, I do reserve the right not to simply accept everything at face value, just because the subject is one I'm broadly sympathetic to.
Also worth bearing in mind is that just because a UL exists, doesn't mean that events matching the UL do not occur. I think particularly of phantom hitch-hikers/phantom pedestrian impacts, where well established ULs exist, yet some of the witness accounts are very compelling.
It could be that they're walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're dead.
- Dead people's spirits regularly do up and scoot from their corporeal shell immediately its been made redundant by a windscreen - before realising that they don't have to run, because they are dead...and a ghost.