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The Roswell Incident [1947]

EnolaGaia said:
How do you get to that conclusion? Are you saying the whole Mack Brazel debris stuff was a USAAF hoax from the beginning?
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I'd take this as the question 'why did they issue a press release', which I'd answer in two parts:

a) The local team did not immediately recognise the debris and jumped the gun with the press release before a sufficient effort had been made to check what it was

b) They jumped the gun probably for the same reason Halt's superior at Rendlesham decided to mount an investigation, namely that they felt the press would probably start crawling over it anyway, so they might as well show they were doing something
 
BS3 said:
Thought of in this sense, the actions of Haut and Marcel become more understandable from a human perspective. Indeed, you can even see the grounds for a subconscious effort to recast or reinterpret their own memories.
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On which astute point, I was wondering if the following might exist...

This features a lengthy interview with Haut, in which he categorically states that Col. Blanchard never spoke to him afterwards about the case, even when they were socialising.

Roswell Reunion, Number 1, 7/11/1990 - 7/22/1990

 
charliebrown said:
Public relations office Walter Haut sure made sure the world know that the 509th recovered a flying disc.

Was Haut following orders or did he go “ rogue” ?
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Well this is an important question.

Marcel said the reason for the release of information was "an eager beaver PIO" so clearly there was a sense that blame was being pinned on Haut. However, it's also been pointed out that (in line with Haut's later protestations) Blanchard would most likely have had to at least sign off any official press note - Haut might have had a lot of latitude in how things were managed, but he would still have had to get the nod from his superior Blanchard.

My suspicion is that Blanchard did indeed authorise it, most likely for the reason mentioned above with respect to Rendlesham - the press were likely to pick it up anyway so they might as well show they were doing something. It was only the realisation that the debris was a security sensitive project "from Alamogordo" (supposedly Blanchard's own description afterwards) that showed this was a bit rash.
 
BS3 said:
My suspicion is that Blanchard did indeed authorise it...
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Seems that way - from my post #324:

(Start)
The Haut interview contains a profund remark - my emphasis:

"I took the releases into town and that was one of the things Col. Blanchard told me to do, because if there's any validity to this, he didn't want the news media to think we had jumped over their heads and we not cooperating with them".
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Other points raised in that post, are relevant to this important question.
 
New colourisation experiment....

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That wouldn't possibly be one of Marcel's 'I-beams' sticking out there?

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When there were 'hieroglyphics' reportedly found on the Roswell wreckage, did they mean actual pictorial hieroglyphics as used by the Egyptians thousands of years ago or did they misuse the term in attempting to describe writing in the Chinese Hanzi style? I ask this as I was musing on hieroglyphics the other day. Sure they are romantic and nice to look at but they are an incredibly inefficient and limited way of communicating information. I challenge anyone to describe, for example, the technical details of a Saturn 5 rocket using hieroglyphics only.
There is a reason our writing evolved past hieroglyphics and the idea that a super-advanced spacefaring civilisation would be still using heiroglyphics is some sort of 20th Century science-fiction trope.
 
Comfortably Numb said:
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If we take it that this beam found in the wreckage was a part of the internal structure of the craft, then you have to wonder why the manufacturer - alien or human - bothered to write anything in any manner on it, what purpose would it serve? After all, an advanced craft would have been constructed by robots and they would hardly need "Insert Beam C into Part F" written on it. It all smacks of either the Cosmic Trickster or US military disinformation.
 
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Those are nice chairs and a charming young man but I dont know what he did to the Roast...
 
BS3 said:
Well, it did crash, I suppose. What if it was the intergalactic equivalent of a home built car?
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"Well guys, here it is, built by Zendorf and myself... fancy taking it out for a spin around that blue planet nearby"...

"....OK, let's test the brakes... Zendorf, where's the contol for this"?

"What do you mean, you thought I was installing that...".
 
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'UFO Research'' Facebook Group

Between 1999 and 2004, I operated the UFO Research List, which featured over 13,000 pages of the most informed and cordial discussions of that era, from subscribers worldwide, many of whom were involved with the subject since its formative days.

This is intended to be a Facebook reincarnation.

It's a different audience and essentially serves as a necessary, central source for research material, which can easily be referred to.

Amongst early discussions, a significant update on this case, which I had no intention of spending a great deal of time on.

However, as they say, something came up unexpectedly.

Well, quite a few things, actually....

Now available on 'UFO Research':

The Roswell Photographs

Within the earliest case evidence, we find tha Marcel not only confirmed the two photographs with himself featured actual debris from the site, it was Marcel who set up the display of all debris, again brought to Fort Worth from Roswell AAF base, shown on the ground in Ramey's office.

That foor display remains consistent in all six photographs. As Marcel recalls in a separate, videotaped interview, it wasn't a large amount, however, this was original, authentic debris, witnessed by the 'newsmen'. A mound of apparently decayed and burnt rubber, is prominently visible.

The story about a 16lb sledgehammer not even imprinting a dent on a piece of wreckage and also how it could not be bent, is a second-hand tale from 'one of the 'G.I.'s. Although it seems to have been later incorporated by Marcel as something he was responsible for, in one of his final, videotaped interviews, Marcel reiterates having only heard about this and not something he either participated in, or witnessed.

From high-resolution copies of original monochrome images, in both Marcel photographs, a small beam, with anomalous markings can clearly be seen protruding.

These are all facts, merely highlighted, along with supporting photographic and video evidence.

You are all, naturally, more than welcome. :)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1100706627172357/?ref=share
 
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These are slightly larger attachments than normal and uncompressed, as it's essential they retain image detail.

Both are from our left-hand side of the two Marcel photographs.

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I am presently pondering if there might not have been a fundamental misunderstanding regarding Marcel's gripe with the weather balloon explanation.

It seems Marcel's objection might not be that debris shown in the photographs had been switched from genuine material, the issue was that the authentic material on display, had been dismissed as a weather balloon.
 
Comfortably Numb said:
'UFO Research'' Facebook Group

Between 1999 and 2004, I operated the UFO Research List, which featured over 13,000 pages of the most informed and cordial discussions of that era, from subscribers worldwide, many of whom were involved with the subject since its formative days.

This is intended to be a Facebook reincarnation.

It's a different audience and essentially serves as a necessary, central source for research material, which can easily be referred to.

Amongst early discussions, a significant update on this case, which I had no intention of spending a great deal of time on.

However, as they say, something came up unexpectedly.

Well, quite a few things, actually....

Now available on 'UFO Research':

The Roswell Photographs

Within the earliest case evidence, we find tha Marcel not only confirmed the two photographs with himself featured actual debris from the site, it was Marcel who set up the display of all debris, again brought to Fort Worth from Roswell AAF base, shown on the ground in Ramey's office.

That foor display remains consistent in all six photographs. As Marcel recalls in a separate, videotaped interview, it wasn't a large amount, however, this was original, authentic debris, witnessed by the 'newsmen'. A mound of apparently decayed and burnt rubber, is prominently visible.

The story about a 16lb sledgehammer not even imprinting a dent on a piece of wreckage and also how it could not be bent, is a second-hand tale from 'one of the 'G.I.'s. Although it seems to have been later incorporated by Marcel as something he was responsible for, in one of his final, videotaped interviews, Marcel reiterates having only heard about this and not something he either participated in, or witnessed.

From high-resolution copies of original monochrome images, in both Marcel photographs, a small beam, with anomalous markings can clearly be seen protruding.

These are all facts, merely highlighted, along with supporting photographic and video evidence.

You are all, naturally, more than welcome. :)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1100706627172357/?ref=share
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Are those anomalous marking the remnants of glue gun spots? that is a human used a glue gun (or glue nozzle) to affix the reflective material to the beam and did what people do and splodged it along the beam in a haphazard fashion, perhaps even deliberately creating some shapes for their own amusement?
 
I've never understood why people think Roswell could have been an ET. The idea of a super civilization that can cross stars would have a piloted craft resembling contemporary tech crashing on Earth just doesn't make any sense.

It's always smacked of "No, it wasn't a spy craft at all, Jimmy. Why, the communists might learn about our high altitude balloon spying thing if that were the case. It was, uh, a saucer man from the planet Jupiter. That's right."
 
WeirdExeter said:
Are those anomalous marking the remnants of glue gun spots? that is a human used a glue gun (or glue nozzle) to affix the reflective material to the beam and did what people do and splodged it along the beam in a haphazard fashion, perhaps even deliberately creating some shapes for their own amusement?
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They look very like the description given of the 'hieroglyphics' on the 'beams', which in turn were a close match to what the tape (featuring purple, flowerlike designs; they were using up surplus materials) used to assemble the Mogul rawin reflectors would have looked like if it had been in the open weathering for a few weeks.

So yes, I think this is possibly pictorial evidence of the tape described by Charles Moore as part of his Mogul balloons.
 
Rappinghood said:
I've never understood why people think Roswell could have been an ET. The idea of a super civilization that can cross stars would have a piloted craft resembling contemporary tech crashing on Earth just doesn't make any sense.

It's always smacked of "No, it wasn't a spy craft at all, Jimmy. Why, the communists might learn about our high altitude balloon spying thing if that were the case. It was, uh, a saucer man from the planet Jupiter. That's right."
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Precisely and I think this explains a lot of the behaviour of the various participants. The local military base issued a press release to make it clear to the press they were doing something, rather than letting the newspapers speculate about it, but then belatedly realised that they'd actually revealed stuff about a secret project.
 
BS3 said:
Precisely and I think this explains a lot of the behaviour of the various participants. The local military base issued a press release to make it clear to the press they were doing something, rather than letting the newspapers speculate about it, but then belatedly realised that they'd actually revealed stuff about a secret project.
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Yeah, it's the same as when you or I mess up at work. Is there a way we can make this go away?
No?
Well, come up with something.
 
Roswell UFO crash will never die just like Area 51.

Neither will Rendlesham Forest UFO ever go away.

These are just like saying Xerox for copying paper, everyone knows what it means.
 
Roswell will remain alive because Jesse Marcel came forward after 30 + years to tell his story.
 
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