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Jack Chick, His Xtian Comics & Extreme Religious Pulp Propaganda

I wasn't going to rant about religion any more, Escargot, but since you mentioned me again.....:)

And you explained that very eloquently, thanks.

But, Dot, while fundamental xtians may admit to the 'presence of the Adversary' Satanists do not. It's a very common belief that Satanists are 'devil-worshippers'.

The word 'Satan' does, indeed, mean 'adversary' or 'opposition' but doesn't mean that Satanists believe in any supernatural beings at all.

It's difficult to say whether Satanism is on the increase or not, (as someone above mentioned they find an increase 'hard to believe') because the Church of Satan don't release membership figures. My personal experience says that it certainly is a growing belief system, though.

All organised religions involve some relinquishing of free will to some 'higher' being and it is this that many Satanists consider to be 'evil'. But I'll stop there before I begin a Donnalogue. :)
 
dot23 said:
well in response to the christianity and satanism being the only religions to admit the presence of 'the Avdersary' of course Islam has Al-Shaitan (the tempter) and I believe judaism does also.
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Also, what about Shiva and Kali (the Hindu god and goddess of death and destruction)?
 
Donna Black said:
All organised religions involve some relinquishing of free will to some 'higher' being and it is this that many Satanists consider to be 'evil'. But I'll stop there before I begin a Donnalogue. :)
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I'm with you on that one, Donna!
 
Donna, surely although the 'official' doctrine plays down satan's existance, many satanists believe and worship satan in their own way...? As the old saying goes,'the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing us he didn't exist' :devil:
 
Well, Dot, there's a big difference between a Satanist and a 'devil-worshipper'.

Satanists worship nothing but themselves.

The press tend to confuse the issue because it makes for sensational reading. But people believe what they want to believe despite being faced with the truth.

So it's general Satanic policy not to argue the point - unless it's fun to do so, of course!

I'm a great believer in having fun and being a little bit mischievous. :)
 
Donna, I've heard this from many church of satan people, but I don't understand the point of calling yourself Satanists, and then having nothing to do with satan. Surely the main intake of the CoS are disaffected christians, and people who believe that they are entering into a pact with the great beast (no not crowley). What justification is there of this use of the name Satan, if there is none, it makes the CoS pretty shallow doesn't it? It's like calling yourself Church of the Smurfs and then never mentioning them ;)
 
Dot, it sounds like you believe in Satan!

If you've talked to other CoS members they'll tell you the same thing - there's no god and no Satan.

And no Smurfs...hehee. :)

Ok, as Escargot mentioned above, Anton LaVey used the word 'Satan' because, firstly, it means adversary or opposition. We are adverse and opposed to organised religion, herd conformity, stupidity (ignorance is a different matter), the victim culture and martyrs, whingers and moaners everywhere.

Secondly, the term 'Satanism' immediately provokes a kneejerk reaction in most people. Thus, it keeps dippy-hippies, new-agers, wiccans and pagans from jumping on the Satanic bandwagon.

It's a belief system for the strong-minded individual; therefore, the above-mentioned types are unsuitable.

Not wishing to speak for every Satanist out there (you get Satanic assholes as there are assholes everywhere), it's basically a belief system promoting self-responsibility, self-promotion, self-respect, self-confidence, self-indulgence and self-belief.
 
why not call it Church of the Ego then, as that seems to be the only thing that you guys believe in. Sounds alot like Humanism for misfits too! I've read / been told all this before, but can't help feeling that LaVey was a 'devil-worshipper' and wanted to use the term to instil fear and confusion in his cultists. Doesn't it strike you as odd, donna, that you belong to a group that claims no belief in supernatural beings, but has obvious connections with them.

And sure I believe in Satan, he's the one that gave us intelligence and free-will!

Another thing, why the need to keep hippies out? What's wrong with wiccans etc. Many pagans share the belief system that you claim to share - why not enter into dialogue instead of offending and insulting other people?
 
Satan gave us free will?!!!

Good grief, dot, that says everything I need to know about you.

End of dialogue. :)
 
Ohh, sorry did I say something wrong? Satan gave us free will in genesis, if you believe in the bible (which I don't), when he convinced eve to eat from the tree of knowledge. That was meant to be an amusing comment, not a statement of my real beliefs (which are rather complicated and contradictory at the best of times ;) )

I hope I can question your beliefs without insulting them, I wasn't intending to do that.
 
I don't want to offend you Donna, but isn't the first commandment of you church something like "never give your opinions or advice unless invited to do so"
Blimey, that would make life awkward for me:p
 
That's absolutely right, beakboo.

Dot asked some questions and I answered them!

Dot, if you're genuinely interested in questioning my beliefs you can PM me if you like. :)
 
dot23 said:
Another thing, why the need to keep hippies out? What's wrong with wiccans etc. Many pagans share the belief system that you claim to share - why not enter into dialogue instead of offending and insulting other people?
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Who's insulting who??? Most Pagans and Wiccans know very well what the Anton la Vey Satanists believe - we also know the differrence between Satanists and devilworshippers. Dot, if you knew anything about Paganism, you would kow that we have little in common with either group.
 
Jack Chick is the famous foaming-at-the-mouth right-wing maniac/cartoonist who makes the wild cartoon religious tracks. In any case, the feature film he has been making for years and years is finally complete and he plans to have it on the street soon. It's based on 350 oil paintings by Chicks right hand man Fred Carter, who is as amazing an artist as Chick is a right-wing hatemonger. It's called The Light of the World and at one web site it describes it as:


Some scenes, especially those of Jesus Christ's crucifixion, are graphic to the point of being gruesome. They show exactly how Jesus must have looked after being beaten, bloodied and broken, his beard plucked and his flesh hanging in ribbons from being whipped. There is even a medical explanation of what happened to him -- how pain seared through his body every time he breathed and how millions of cells died slowly -- as he hung on the cross.

It is this dramatic depiction that Chick and others hope will stir people's emotions and ignite their passion to spread the gospel.

"The entire film is intended to portray exactly what the Bible says, not to take artistic license to embellish and show things that aren't true," said Helms, a resident of Rancho Cucamonga. "I believe that this is the most graphic portrayal of the beating and crucifixion of Jesus to date."

(snip)

"There was one (painting) near the end that showed the Lord's eyes," Carter said when asked if any of the pieces made him emotional. "That one got to me the most."

*above from http://u.dailybulletin.com/Stories/0,1413,212~23472~1668792,00.html

And at Chicks site: http://www.chick.com/bc/2003/film.asp
 
I read the 'Who, me?' thing on that site.

Let's start feeding them to lions again.
 
What does Chick do with the immense profit he makes from selling this pornography? It can't all have gone into the film surely? Won't somebody dig up a gin and whores story? Please?
 
I don't think Chick would be into that sort of thing. I think he is genuine in his moral code and spiritual ideals.

That's the really frightening thing about him.
 
anome said:
I don't think Chick would be into that sort of thing. I think he is genuine in his moral code and spiritual ideals.

That's the really frightening thing about him.
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I'm sure that most of any monies made, is poured into the production, promotion and distribution of more of his extraordinary tracts.

It's strange to think that a century, or two ago, a great deal of his monomaniacal output would hardly have raised an eyebrow. What seems extreme to the point of insanity now, was once the way a lot of evangelising was done.

Hey! It's still the way it's done on TBN satellite broadcasting and seems to be perfectly in tune with a lot of US evangelical output.

Don't knock Chick's film, until you've caught some of the trailers for the, 'Left Behind' style, Christian SciFi, that's doing the rounds these days.
 
He must have done something illegal. They all have, these religious nuts.
 
Inverurie Jones said:
He must have done something illegal. They all have, these religious nuts.
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The promotion of race and religious hatred is certainly away up there, in a lot of countries.

Although, in the US, it's covered by the First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech.
 
AndroMan said:
Don't knock Chick's film, until you've caught some of the trailers for the, 'Left Behind' style, Christian SciFi, that's doing the rounds these days.
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I'm on the verge of boycotting any bookshop that classifies Left Behind and its sequels as Science Fiction. It's not SF, it's a religious tract in the same way that many historical works of fiction have been. Just not as well written. And in a potboiler style. And did I mention it was really badly written? (I haven't read the whole thing, but I flipped through it once, and there was a scene that was obviously written as a cinematic scene for the film version, and it was so ham-fisted in its execution, I had to check Michael Crichton wasn't one of the authors.)

Anyway, the problem with boycotting those bookshops is that that would be most of them.

Here's a great video night for you: the Chick film, Left Behind, and Battlefield: Earth. And that Mel Gibson passion in Aramaic and Latin thing that's due out soon. Bad Religion night, coming soon to a lounge room near you.
 
anome said:
Here's a great video night for you: the Chick film, Left Behind, and Battlefield: Earth. And that Mel Gibson passion in Aramaic and Latin thing that's due out soon. Bad Religion night, coming soon to a lounge room near you.
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Rounded off with (everybody would have to be doing large quantities of speed and amyl nitrate to get through them in the right frame of mind, of course), Pasollini's, 'The Gospel According to Matthew' and Jarman's 'Sebastian.' Just to put everything in its proper perspective.

Oh, what fun! :p
 
beakboo said:
What does Chick do with the immense profit he makes from selling this pornography? It can't all have gone into the film surely? Won't somebody dig up a gin and whores story? Please?
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The Imp magazine has a nice expose, but apparently Chick himself is very mysterious, he only leaves home to get his mail - and that's it.

An interesting collection of anti-Chick/parody Chick links, some of which actually work! :D :

http://www.insolitology.com/topten/jackchick.htm
 
Recently a cleaner left some of the less offensive ones of these on our desks at work, thanks to BlackRiverFalls for finding them online.

Chick Lit.

It's hard to know where to start with this peurile cack but how about an excerpt from Doom Town:

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Some of them are so blunt and offensive it's hard to believe they aren't a joke, but unfortunately not. Little did I realise reading Harry Potter or playing Dungeons and Dragons would lead to witchcraft and demonic possesion, now I do. :roll: .
 
I've just been going through the web site and it is unbelievable! How offensive most of it is must be seen to be believed and also how factually wrong some of it is as well!

Gordon
 
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