From Twitter:
Turkish government reveals to U.S. it had Saudi consulate bugged and could hear killing of Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi: “You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered.”
https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/status/1050548844923166720
The Saudi forensics expert who flew to Istanbul the day Khashoggi disappeared was a pioneer in rapid, mobile autopsies. His goal: to "provide the dissection service to the security authorities in record time,”
https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/status/1050553297596309506
US intel picked up Saudis discussing plan to capture Jamal Khashoggi before he disappeared in Istanbul.
https://twitter.com/shaneharris/status/1049858693683122176
Saudis lay in wait for Jamal Khashoggi and left Turkey quickly, sources say
https://twitter.com/kfahim/status/1049824059188531200
Turkey says Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist who writes for The Washington Post, killed by a ‘murder’ team inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Saudi Arabia disputes report. Post editor says if Turkish report true "a monstrous and unfathomable act.”
https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/status/1048823719991365632
But also (reasonable comment!):
Wait ... Turkey privately told US officials they had bugged the Saudi Embassy AND THEN US OFFICIALS LEAKED IT
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1050562110353215491
Turkish government reveals to U.S. it had Saudi consulate bugged and could hear killing of Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi: “You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered.”
https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/status/1050548844923166720
The Saudi forensics expert who flew to Istanbul the day Khashoggi disappeared was a pioneer in rapid, mobile autopsies. His goal: to "provide the dissection service to the security authorities in record time,”
https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/status/1050553297596309506
US intel picked up Saudis discussing plan to capture Jamal Khashoggi before he disappeared in Istanbul.
https://twitter.com/shaneharris/status/1049858693683122176
Saudis lay in wait for Jamal Khashoggi and left Turkey quickly, sources say
https://twitter.com/kfahim/status/1049824059188531200
Turkey says Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist who writes for The Washington Post, killed by a ‘murder’ team inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Saudi Arabia disputes report. Post editor says if Turkish report true "a monstrous and unfathomable act.”
https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/status/1048823719991365632
But also (reasonable comment!):
Wait ... Turkey privately told US officials they had bugged the Saudi Embassy AND THEN US OFFICIALS LEAKED IT
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1050562110353215491
@pwnallthethings 12 okt.
"Turkish officials are wary of releasing the recordings, fearing they could divulge how the Turks spy on foreign entities in their country, the officials said [as they discussed the recordings against Turkish wishes, revealing how Turks spy on foreign entities in their country]"
These leaks always have the feature of all of the downsides of disclosure (burning sources and methods) with none of the upsides (no formal accusation with requirement for response at intl level, no sanctions, easy for KSA to claim is false etc)
Pro-Turkish govt newspaper: There are recordings from inside the Saudi Embassy, but by extremely curious and unlikely happenstance those recordings were definitely not taken by us and were 100% definitely not us bugging the embassy.
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1050900655941009411?s=20
Julian Sanchez
@normative
I mean... “dissident journo turns on his recording device before entering consulate” doesn’t strike me as wildly implausible on face.
@pwnallthethings
"Apple promptly gives recording uploaded to iCloud to Turkish government" does tho
@normative
I thought the story was that his wife had access via an iPhone on the same account he’d left with her
@pwnallthethings
I mean, it's *possible*. But I think under such circumstances the audio of it would have been made public by now.
@jpohhhh
It's utterly implausible if you have a nerd's understanding of Watch x iPhone x iCloud and you're aware she had the phone. No way to get the recording to iCloud.
@dculleney
He had an Apple watch that he synched to other devices and the cloud and he had it recording when he walked into the consulate, per @MSNBC
@Clive_Bates
More likely is that careless/clueless American officials disclosed the existence of the recordings to the Washington Post, revealing Turkish bugging of Saudi consulate. Now Turkish authorities are trying far-fetched explanations to limit damage to their relationship with Saudis.
"Turkish officials are wary of releasing the recordings, fearing they could divulge how the Turks spy on foreign entities in their country, the officials said [as they discussed the recordings against Turkish wishes, revealing how Turks spy on foreign entities in their country]"
These leaks always have the feature of all of the downsides of disclosure (burning sources and methods) with none of the upsides (no formal accusation with requirement for response at intl level, no sanctions, easy for KSA to claim is false etc)
Pro-Turkish govt newspaper: There are recordings from inside the Saudi Embassy, but by extremely curious and unlikely happenstance those recordings were definitely not taken by us and were 100% definitely not us bugging the embassy.
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1050900655941009411?s=20
Julian Sanchez
@normative
I mean... “dissident journo turns on his recording device before entering consulate” doesn’t strike me as wildly implausible on face.
@pwnallthethings
"Apple promptly gives recording uploaded to iCloud to Turkish government" does tho
@normative
I thought the story was that his wife had access via an iPhone on the same account he’d left with her
@pwnallthethings
I mean, it's *possible*. But I think under such circumstances the audio of it would have been made public by now.
@jpohhhh
It's utterly implausible if you have a nerd's understanding of Watch x iPhone x iCloud and you're aware she had the phone. No way to get the recording to iCloud.
@dculleney
He had an Apple watch that he synched to other devices and the cloud and he had it recording when he walked into the consulate, per @MSNBC
@Clive_Bates
More likely is that careless/clueless American officials disclosed the existence of the recordings to the Washington Post, revealing Turkish bugging of Saudi consulate. Now Turkish authorities are trying far-fetched explanations to limit damage to their relationship with Saudis.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb @nntaleb
The approach to the murder of the journo by Saudi Barbaria (if details are true) illustrates the conflation the sophisticated w/what looks sophisticated.
The most sophisticated approach wd have been to use a cheap hitman on a motorcycle.
Saudis acted like academic economists.
@denevederoden
I was thinking alone those lines today. The Russians eliminated chechen separatists in Istanbul also using their own hitmen,but more the "hitman on a motorcycle" way. Apparently the Saudis didn't want a corpus delicti, they must have thought it would save them from int'l condemn.
@AwesomeJon116
Wouldn't the most sophisticated method have been to have a known Saudi representative shoot him in broad daylight in a busy public area? You wouldn't be able to question the audacity of it and it would be simple and direct. The worst plan, therefore the smartest.
@Miche1T
You’re assuming it was a cold blooded murder and not an, ahem, involuntary repatriation and anaesthesiological screwup.
@dklaidman
A close friend of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi tells @Isikoff and me that Saudi Crown Prince MBS may have felt emboldened by Trump’s anti-media rhetoric. “Trump hates journalists and he would not react if we kill one journalist,” says Khaled Saffuri.
The approach to the murder of the journo by Saudi Barbaria (if details are true) illustrates the conflation the sophisticated w/what looks sophisticated.
The most sophisticated approach wd have been to use a cheap hitman on a motorcycle.
Saudis acted like academic economists.
@denevederoden
I was thinking alone those lines today. The Russians eliminated chechen separatists in Istanbul also using their own hitmen,but more the "hitman on a motorcycle" way. Apparently the Saudis didn't want a corpus delicti, they must have thought it would save them from int'l condemn.
@AwesomeJon116
Wouldn't the most sophisticated method have been to have a known Saudi representative shoot him in broad daylight in a busy public area? You wouldn't be able to question the audacity of it and it would be simple and direct. The worst plan, therefore the smartest.
@Miche1T
You’re assuming it was a cold blooded murder and not an, ahem, involuntary repatriation and anaesthesiological screwup.
@dklaidman
A close friend of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi tells @Isikoff and me that Saudi Crown Prince MBS may have felt emboldened by Trump’s anti-media rhetoric. “Trump hates journalists and he would not react if we kill one journalist,” says Khaled Saffuri.
CNN is reporting the murder and dismemberment claims have been repeated (privately) by Turkish officials in the wake of initial searching at the consulate.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/middleeast/khashoggi-turkish-investigation-intl/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/middleeast/khashoggi-turkish-investigation-intl/index.html
Bloomberg Politics @bpolitics
Saudi Arabia is reportedly considering saying missing journalist Jamal Khashoggi died in a botched interrogation. Here's the latest https://bloom.bg/2RTih2c
@ScottAdamsSays
This is why I always bring a bone saw and plastic bags to the interrogations I do. Just in case.
@realDonaldTrump
Just spoke to the King of Saudi Arabia who denies any knowledge of whatever may have happened “to our Saudi Arabian citizen.” He said that they are working closely with Turkey to find answer. I am immediately sending our Secretary of State to meet with King!
Nassim Nicholas Taleb @nntaleb
Donaldo, please call the king of Saudi Barbaria again for his second version of the story.
In other words, Saudi Barbaria is saying:
"We didn't mean to kill him; we just tortured him to death"
Branko Milanovic @BrankoMilan
We have many globalization-related innovations these days:
-- A detention center held in a foreign country where you can *abuse* people w/o regard to your laws
-- Poisoning of your former agents in a foreign county
-- Killing of a dissident in your consulate in a foreign country
Saudi Arabia is reportedly considering saying missing journalist Jamal Khashoggi died in a botched interrogation. Here's the latest https://bloom.bg/2RTih2c
@ScottAdamsSays
This is why I always bring a bone saw and plastic bags to the interrogations I do. Just in case.
@realDonaldTrump
Just spoke to the King of Saudi Arabia who denies any knowledge of whatever may have happened “to our Saudi Arabian citizen.” He said that they are working closely with Turkey to find answer. I am immediately sending our Secretary of State to meet with King!
Nassim Nicholas Taleb @nntaleb
Donaldo, please call the king of Saudi Barbaria again for his second version of the story.
In other words, Saudi Barbaria is saying:
"We didn't mean to kill him; we just tortured him to death"
Branko Milanovic @BrankoMilan
We have many globalization-related innovations these days:
-- A detention center held in a foreign country where you can *abuse* people w/o regard to your laws
-- Poisoning of your former agents in a foreign county
-- Killing of a dissident in your consulate in a foreign country
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New developments in the case of Renee MacRae
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