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Mysterious Deaths Of Microbiologists

Hello

I,m new on here !!!

Does anyone have any comments on all the sickly, suicidal, accident prone, bad driving Microbiologists ?

apparently the odds of 46 six of the leading men dying in that period is
18,000,000,000 : 1
to name only 4

Dr. Benito Que
Dr. Don C. Wiley
Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik
Dr. David Kelly

Comments ?
 
Have you compared it to death rates of other scientists...? Or to any other profession?
 
Re: 46 Microbiologists dead in 2 years !

Hi! :)
Techybloke said:
...

Does anyone have any comments on all the sickly, suicidal, accident prone, bad driving Microbiologists ?

apparently the odds of 46 six of the leading men dying in that period is
18,000,000,000 : 1
to name only 4

...

Comments ?
Which period would that be then? Apart from, apparently, all being microbiologists, any other distinguishing characteristics in common?
 
I recall Mark Thomas covering this in one of his progs years back - if his info was anything to go by (and it needed corroborating), there is something rather odd happening.

But the corroboration is needful.
 
Heres a selection with a few descriptions.




November 2001: Yaacov Matzner, 54 --Expertise: Dean of the Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical School in Jerusalem and chairman of the Israel Society of Hematology and Blood Transfusions, was the son of Holocaust survivors. One of the world's experts on blood diseases including familiar Mediterranean fever (FMF), Matzner conducted research that led to a genetic test for FMF. He was working on cloning the gene connected to FMF and investigating the normal physiological function of amyloid A, a protein often found in high levels in people with blood cancer.
--Circumstance of Death: Professors Yaacov Matzner and Amiram Eldor were on their way back to Israel via Switzerland when their plane came down in dense forest three kilometres short of the landing field.


November 2001: Professor Amiram Eldor, 59
--Expertise: Head of the haematology institute, Tel Aviv's Ichilov Hospital and worked for years at Hadassah-University Hospital's haematology department but left for his native Tel Aviv in 1993 to head the haematology institute at Ichilov Hospital. He was an internationally known expert on blood clotting especially in women who had repeated miscarriages and was a member of a team that identified eight new anti-clotting agents in the saliva of leeches.
--Circumstance of Death: Professors Yaacov Matzner and Amiram Eldor were on their way back to Israel via Switzerland when their plane came down in dense forest three kilometres short of the landing field.


November 6, 2001: Jeffrey Paris Wall, 41
--Expertise: He was a biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized in patent and intellectual property.
--Circumstance of Death: Mr. Walls body was found sprawled next to a three-story parking structure near his office. He had studied at the University of California, Los Angeles.


Nov. 16, 2001: Don C. Wiley, 57
--Expertise: One of the foremost microbiologists in the United States. Dr. Wiley, of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Harvard University, was an expert on how the immune system responds to viral attacks such as the classic doomsday plagues of HIV, ebola and influenza.
--Circumstance of Death: Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. His body was found Dec. 20 in the Mississippi River.


Nov. 21, 2001: Vladimir Pasechnik, 64
--Expertise: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian defector; defected to the United Kingdom in 1989, played a huge role in Russian biowarfare and helped to figure out how to modify cruise missiles to deliver the agents of mass biological destruction.
--Background: founded Regma Biotechnologies company in Britain, a laboratory at Porton Down, the country´s chem-bio warfare defense establishment. Regma currently has a contract with the U.S. Navy for "the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax".
--Circumstance of Death: The pathologist who did the autopsy, and who also happened to be associated with Britain´s spy agency, concluded he died of a stroke. Details of the postmortem were not revealed at an inquest, in which the press was given no prior notice. Colleagues who had worked with Pasechnik said he was in good health.


Dec. 10, 2001: Robert M. Schwartz, 57
--Expertise: Expert in DNA sequencing and pathogenic micro-organisms, founding member of the Virginia Biotechnology Association, and the Executive Director of Research and Development at Virginia´s Center for Innovative Technology in Herndon.
--Circumstance of Death: stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and several of her fellow pagans have been charged.


Dec. 14, 2001: Nguyen Van Set, 44
--Expertise: animal diseases facility of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization had just come to fame for discovering a virulent strain of mousepox, which could be modified to affect smallpox.
--Circumstance of Death: died at work in Geelong, Australia, in a laboratory accident. He entered an airlocked storage lab and died from exposure to nitrogen.


January 2002: Ivan Glebov and Alexi Brushlinski.
--Expertise: Two microbiologists. Both were well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.
--Circumstance of Death: Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack and Brushlinski was killed in Moscow.


January 28, 2002: David W. Barry, 58
--Expertise: Scientist who codiscovered AZT, the antiviral drug that is considered the first effective treatment for AIDS.
--Circumstance of Death: unknown


Feb. 9, 2002: Victor Korshunov, 56
--Expertise: Expert in intestinal bacteria of children around the world
--Circumstance of Death: bashed over the head near his home in Moscow.


Feb. 14, 2002: Ian Langford, 40
--Expertise: expert in environmental risks and disease.
--Circumstance of Death: found dead in his home near Norwich, England, naked from the waist down and wedged under a chair.


Feb. 28, 2002: Tanya Holzmayer, 46
--Expertise: a Russian who moved to the U.S. in 1989, focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine.
--Circumstance of Death: killed by fellow microbiologist Guyang (Matthew) Huang, who shot her seven times when she opened the door to a pizza delivery. Then he shot himself.


Feb. 28, 2002: Guyang Huang, 38
--Expertise: Microbiologist
--Circumstance of Death: Apparently shot himself after shooting fellow microbiologist, Tanya Holzmayer, seven times.


March 24, 2002: David Wynn-Williams, 55
--Expertise: Respected astrobiologist with the British Antarctic Survey, who studied the habits of microbes that might survive in outer space.
--Circumstance of Death: Died in a freak road accident near his home in Cambridge, England. He was hit by a car while he was jogging.


March 25, 2002: Steven Mostow, 63
--Expertise: Known as "Dr. Flu" for his expertise in treating influenza, and a noted expert in bioterrorism of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre.
--Circumstance of Death: died when the airplane he was piloting crashed near Denver.


Nov. 12, 2002: Benito Que, 52
--Expertise: Expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School
--Circumstance of Death: Que left his laboratory after receiving a telephone call. Shortly afterward he was found comatose in the parking lot of the Miami Medical School. He died without regaining consciousness. Police said he had suffered a heart attack. His family insisted he had been in perfect health and claimed four men attacked him. But, later, oddly, the family inquest returned a verdict of death by natural causes.


April 2003: Carlo Urbani, 46
--Expertise: A dedicated and internationally respected Italian epidemiologist, who did work of enduring value combating infectious illness around the world.
--Circumstance of Death: Died in Bangkok from SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) - the new disease that he had helped to identify. Thanks to his prompt action, the epidemic was contained in Vietnam. However, because of close daily contact with SARS patients, he contracted the infection. On March 11, he was admitted to a hospital in Bangkok and isolated. Less than three weeks later he died.


June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman of UCSD, 47
A resident of Carmel Valley
--Expertise: An expert in infectious disease who helped the county prepare to fight bioterrorism after Sept. 11.
--Circumstance of Death: He was in the African nation of Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews of UCSD, the director of the university's Owen Clinic for AIDS patients. Dr. Rickman had complained of a headache and had gone to lie down. When he didn't appear for dinner, Mathews checked on him and found him dead. A cause has not yet been determined.


July 18, 2003: Dr. David Kelly, 59
--Expertise: Biological warfare weapons specialist, senior post at the Ministry of Defense, an expert on DNA sequencing when he was head of microbiology at Porton Down and worked with two American scientists, Benito Que, 52, and Don Wiley, 57.
--Helped Vladimir Pasechnik found Regma Biotechnologies, which has a contract with the U.S. Navy for "the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax"
--Circumstance of Death: He was found dead after seemingly slashing his wrist in a wooded area near his home at Southmoor, Oxfordshire.


Oct 11 or 24, 2003: Michael Perich, 46
--Expertise: LSU professor who helped fight the spread of the West Nile virus. Perich worked with the East Baton Rouge Parish Mosquito Control and Rodent Abatement District to determine whether mosquitoes in the area carried West Nile.
--Circumstance of Death: Walker Police Chief Elton Burns said Sunday that Perich of 5227 River Bend Blvd., Baton Rouge, crashed his Ford pickup truck about 4:30 a.m. Saturday, while heading west on Interstate 12 in Livingston Parish. Perich's truck veered right off the highway about 3 miles east of Walker, flipped and landed in rainwater, Burns said. Perich, who was wearing his seat belt, drowned. The cause of the crash is under investigation, Burns said.
"Mike is one of the few entomologists with the experience to go out and save lives today."
~ Robert A. Wirtz, chief of entomology at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention


November 22, 2003: Robert Leslie Burghoff, 45
--Expertise: He was studying the virus that was plaguing cruise ships until he was killed by a mysterious white van in November of 2003
--Circumstance of Death: Burghoff was walking on a sidewalk along the 1600 block of South Braeswood when a white van jumped the curb and hit him at 1:35 p.m. Thursday, police said. The van then sped away. Burghoff died an hour later at Memorial Hermann Hospital.


December 18, 2003: Robert Aranosia, 61
--Expertise: Oakland County deputy medical examiner
--Circumstance of Death: He was driving south on I-75 when his pickup truck went off the freeway near a bridge over the Kawkawlin River. The vehicle rolled over several times before landing in the median. Aranosia was thrown from the vehicle and ended up on the shoulder of the northbound lanes.


January 6, 2004: Dr Richard Stevens, 54
--Expertise: A haematologist. (Haematologists analyse the cellular composition of blood and blood producing tissues eg bone marrow)
--Circumstance of Death: Disappeared after arriving for work on 21 July, 2003. A doctor whose disappearance sparked a national manhunt, killed himself because he could not cope with the stress of a secret affair, a coroner has ruled.


January 23 2004: Dr. Robert E. Shope, 74
--Expertise: An expert on viruses who was the principal author of a highly publicized 1992 report by the National Academy of Sciences warning of the possible emergence of new and unsettling infectious illnesses. Dr. Shope had accumulated his own collection of virus samples gathered from all over the world.
--Circumstance of Death: The cause was complications of a lung transplant he received in December, said his daughter Deborah Shope of Galveston. Dr. Shope had pulmonary fibrosis, a disease of unknown origin that scars the lungs.


January 24 2004: Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, 62
--Expertise: Ebola, Mad Cow Expert, top of the line world class.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of massive heart attack. Coincidently, both Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galvaston lab for Homeland Security. The lab would have to be secure to house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones.


March 13, 2004: Vadake Srinivasan
--Expertise: Microbiologist.
--Circumstance of Death: crashed car into guard rail and ruled a stroke.


April 12, 2004: Ilsley Ingram, 84
--Expertise: Director of the Supraregional Haemophilia Reference Centre and the Supraregional Centre for the Diagnosis of Bleeding Disorders at the St. Thomas Hospital in London.
--Circumstance of Death: unknown


May 5, 2004: William T. McGuire, 39
--Expertise: NJ University Professor and Senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark.
--Circumstance of Death: Body found in 3 Suitcases floating in Chesapeake Bay.


May 14, 2004: Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, 56
--Expertise: Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an open letter outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of new energy research. Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.
--Circumstance of Death: Died after being beaten to death during an alleged robbery.


May 25, 2004: Antonina Presnyakova
--Expertise: Former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia --Circumstance of Death: Died after accidentally sticking herself with a needle laced with Ebola.


July 21, 2004: Dr. John Badwey 54
--Expertise: Scientist and accidental politician when he opposed disposal of sewage waste program of exposing humans to sludge. Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases.
--Circumstance of Death: Suddenly developed pneumonia like symptoms then died in two weeks.


June 22, 2004: Thomas Gold, 84
--Expertise: He was the founder, and for twenty years the director, of the Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research, where he was a close colleague of Planetary Society co-founder Carl Sagan. Gold was famous for his provocative, controversial, and sometimes outrageous theories. Gold's theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. Gold sparked controversy in 1955 when he suggested that the Moon's surface is covered with a fine rock powder.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of heart failure.


June 24, 2004: Dr. Assefa Tulu, 45
--Expertise: Dr. Tulu joined the health department in 1997 and served for five years as the county's lone epidemiologist. He was charged with tracking the health of the county, including the spread of diseases, such as syphilis, AIDS and measles. He also designed a system for detecting a bioterrorism attack involving viruses or bacterial agents. Tulu often coordinated efforts to address major health concerns in Dallas County, such as the West Nile virus outbreaks of the past few years, and worked with the media to inform the public.
--Circumstance of Death: Dallas County's chief epidemiologist, was found at his desk, died of a stroke.


June 27, 2004: Dr Paul Norman, Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, 52
--Expertise: He was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defence at the Ministry of Defence's laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. He travelled the world lecturing on the subject of weapons of mass destruction.
--Circumstance of Death: Died when the Cessna 206 crashed shortly after taking off from Dunkeswell Airfield on Sunday. A father and daughter also died at the scene, and 44-year-old parachute instructor and Royal Marine Major Mike Wills later died in the hospital.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wilt ... 860995.stm


June 29, 2004: John Mullen, 67
--Expertise: A nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas.
--Circumstance of Death: Died from a huge dose of poisonous arsenic.


July 1, 2004: Edward Hoffman, 62
--Expertise: Aside from his role as a professor, Hoffman held leadership positions within the UCLA medical community. Worked to develop the first human PET scanner in 1973 at Washington University in St. Louis.
--Circumstance of Death: unknown


July 2, 2004: Larry Bustard, 53
--Expertise: A Sandia scientist who helped develop a foam spray to clean up congressional buildings and media sites during the anthrax scare in 2001. Worked at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque. His team came up with a new technology used against biological and chemical agents.
--Circumstance of Death: unknown


July 6, 2004: Stephen Tabet, 42
--Expertise: An associate professor and epidemiologist at the University of Washington. A world-renowned HIV doctor and researcher who worked with HIV patients in a vaccine clinical trial for the HIV Vaccine Trials Network.
--Circumstance of Death: Died of an unknown illness


July 21, 2004: Dr Bassem al-Mudares
--Expertise: He was a phD chemist
--Circumstance of Death: His mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq and had been tortured before being killed.


August 12, 2004: Professor John Clark
--Expertise: Head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep. Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world's leading animal biotechnology research centres. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame.
--Circumstance of Death: He was found hanging in his holiday home.


September 5, 2004: Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani
--Expertise: Iraqi nuclear scientist. He was a practising nuclear physicist since 1984.
--Circumstance of Death: He was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad.


October 13, 2004: Matthew Allison, 32
Fatal explosion of a car parked at an Osceola County, Fla., Wal-Mart store was no accident, Local 6 News has learned. Found inside a burned car. Witnesses said the man left the store at about 11 p.m. and entered his Ford Taurus car when it exploded. Investigators said they found a Duraflame log and propane canisters on the front passenger's seat.


November 2, 2004: John R. La Montagne
--Expertise: Head of US Infectious Diseases unit under Tommie Thompson. Was NIAID Deputy Director.
--Circumstance of Death: Died while in Mexico, no cause stated.


December 21, 2004: Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher
--Expertise: Iraqi nuclear scientist
--Circumstance of Death: He was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.


December 29, 2004: Tom Thorne and Beth Williams
--Expertise: Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis
--Circumstance of Death: They were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.


January 7, 2005: Jeong H. Im, 72
--Expertise: A retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia. Primarily a protein chemist.
--Circumstance of Death: He was stabbed several times and his body was found in the trunk of his burning white, 1995 Honda inside the Maryland Avenue parking garage.
 
The problem with these is they have to be put in context. How risky is this branch of science compared to others in terms of statistics, would we get this same pattern of random deaths if we looked at AI research for example or on a more prosaic level motor mechanics?
 
do they look like Natural deaths ?

suicides/murders/car crashes/beaten to death/no autopsy

????
 
Techybloke said:
do they look like Natural deaths ?

suicides/murders/car crashes/beaten to death/no autopsy

????

No, but how many suicides/murders/car crashes/beaten to death/no autopsy events take place in other industries or branches of science?

Are we drawing a conclusion based on occupation and unnatural death, when unnatural death may occur in a similar scale in other spheres?
 
May 25, 2004: Antonina Presnyakova
--Expertise: Former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia --Circumstance of Death: Died after accidentally sticking herself with a needle laced with Ebola.

This happened with alarming frequency in soviet labs for example, prior to the fall of communism, there were numerous incidents in Stepnogorsk the soviet Porton Down.

See Ken Alibek's book Biohazard for details (he was the director of Biopreparet the agency responsible for Stepnogorsk)
 
Re: 46 Microbiologists dead in 2 years !

Techybloke said:
Hello

I,m new on here !!!

?

Excuse my manners, hello and welcome to the board by the way..... :hello:
 
Hi Techybloke! Welcome. Always great to see another conspiracy-minded poster here. :)

I'm not disputing them, but I'm curious as to where you got the probablity/odds that you cited in the first post.

Also, and I'm not suggesting a merge, some of this was touched upon in this thread: http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1411

Might be worth a read for those interested in the topic.
 
Definite sense of deja vu with this conspiracy: back in the 80s there were a series of sudden and often strange deaths among scientists and technicians who'd worked for Marconi and with various other bodies associated with the UK Defence Establishment. More convincing as a conspiracy as the people were less randomly scattered across the planet, but of course nothing was ever proved...

Sorry to have to use Rense as a source

Marconi Scientists Mystery

In the 1980's over two dozen science graduates and experts working for Marconi or Plessey Defence Systems died in mysterious circumstances, most appearing to be 'suicides.' The MOD denied these scientists had been involved in classified Star Wars Projects and that the deaths were in any way connected. Judge for yourself...


March 1982: Professor Keith Bowden, 46
--Expertise: Computer programmer and scientist at Essex University engaged in work for Marconi, who was hailed as an expert on super computers and computer-controlled aircraft.
--Circumstance: Fatal car crash when his vehicle went out of control across a dual carriageway and plunged onto a disused railway line. Police maintained he had been drinking but family and friends all denied the allegation.

Coroner's verdict: Accident.


April 1983: Lt-Colonel Anthony Godley, 49
--Expertise: Head of the Work Study Unit at the Royal College of Military Science.
--Circumstance: Disappeared mysteriously in April 1983 without explanation. Presumed dead.


March 1985: Roger Hill, 49
--Expertise: Radar designer and draughtsman with Marconi.
--Circumstance: Died by a shotgun blast at home.

Coroner's verdict: Suicide.


November 19, 1985: Jonathan Wash, 29
--Expertise: Digital communications expert who had worked at GEC and at British Telecom's secret research centre at Martlesham Heath, Suffolk.
--Circumstance: Died as a result of falling from a hotel room in Abidjan, West Africa, while working for British Telecom. He had expressed fears that his life was in danger.

Coroner's verdict: Open.


August 4, 1986: Vimal Dajibhai, 24
--Expertise: Computer software engineer with Marconi, responsible for testing computer control systems of Tigerfish and Stingray torpedoes at Marconi Underwater Systems at Croxley Green, Hertfordshire.
--Circumstance: Death by 74m (240ft.) fall from Clifton Suspension Bridge, Bristol. Police report on the body mentioned a needle-sized puncture wound on the left buttock, but this was later dismissed as being a result of the fall. Dajibhai had been looking forward to starting a new job in the City of London and friends had confirmed that there was no reason for him to commit suicide. At the time of his death he was in the last week of his work with Marconi.

Coroner's verdict: Open.


October 1986: Arshad Sharif, 26
--Expertise: Reported to have been working on systems for the detection of submarines by satellite.
--Circumstance: Died as a result of placing a ligature around his neck, tying the other end to a tree and then driving off in his car with the accelerator pedal jammed down. His unusual death was complicated by several issues: Sharif lived near Vimal Dajibhai in Stanmore, Middlesex, he committed suicide in Bristol and, inexplicably, had spent the last night of his life in a rooming house. He had paid for his accommodation in cash and was seen to have a bundle of high-denomination banknotes in his possession. While the police were told of the banknotes, no mention was made of them at the inquest and they were never found. In addition, most of the other guests at the rooming house worked at British Aerospace prior to working for Marconi, Sharif had also worked at British Aerospace on guided weapons technology.

Coroner's verdict: Suicide.


January 1987: Richard Pugh, 37
--Expertise: MOD computer consultant and digital communications expert.
--Circumstance: Found dead in his flat in with his feet bound and a plastic bag over his head. Rope was tied around his body, coiling four times around his neck.

Coroner's verdict: Accident.


January 12, 1987: Dr. John Brittan, 52
--Expertise: Scientist formerly engaged in top secret work at the Royal College of Military Science at Shrivenham, Oxfordshire, and later deployed in a research department at the MOD.
--Circumstance: Death by carbon monoxide poisoning in his own garage, shortly after returning from a trip to the US in connection with his work.

Coroner's verdict: Accident.


February 1987: David Skeels, 43
--Expertise: Engineer with Marconi.
--Circumstance: Found dead in his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust.

Coroner's verdict: Open.


February 1987: Victor Moore, 46
--Expertise: Design Engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems.
--Circumstance: Died from an overdose.

Coroner's verdict: Suicide.


February 22, 1987: Peter Peapell, 46
--Expertise: Scientist at the Royal College of Military Science. He had been working on testing titanium for it's resistance to explosives and the use of computer analysis of signals from metals.
--Circumstance: Found dead allegedly from carbon monoxide poisoning, in his Oxfordshire garage. The circumstances of his death raised some elements of doubt. His wife had found him on his back with his head parallel to the rear car bumper and his mouth in line with the exhaust pipe, with the car engine running. Police were apparently baffled as to how he could have manoeuvred into the position in which he was found.

Coroner's verdict: Open.


April 1987: George Kountis age unknown.
--Expertise: Systems Analyst at Bristol Polytechnic.
--Circumstance: Drowned the same day as Shani Warren (see below) - as the result of a car accident, his upturned car being found in the River Mersey, Liverpool.

Coroner's verdict: Misadventure. (Kountis' sister called for a fresh inquest as she thought 'things didn't add up.')


April 10, 1987: Shani Warren, 26
--Expertise: Personal assistant in a company called Micro Scope, which was taken over by GEC Marconi less than four weeks after her death.
--Circumstance: Found drowned in 45cm. (18in) of water, not far from the site of David Greenhalgh's death fall. Warren died exactly one week after the death of Stuart Gooding and serious injury to Greenhalgh. She was found gagged with a noose around her neck. Her feet were also bound and her hands tied behind her back.

Coroner's verdict: Open. (It was said that Warren had gagged herself, tied her feet with rope, then tied her hands behind her back and hobbled to the lake on stiletto heels to drown herself.)


April 10, 1987: Stuart Gooding, 23
--Expertise: Postgraduate research student at the Royal College of Military Science.
--Circumstance: Fatal car crash while on holiday in Cyprus. The death occurred at the same time as college personnel were carrying out exercises on Cyprus.

Coroner's verdict: Accident.


April 24, 1987: Mark Wisner, 24
--Expertise: Software engineer at the MOD.
--Circumstance: Found dead on in a house shared with two colleagues. He was found with a plastic sack around his head and several feet of cling film around his face. The method of death was almost identical to that of Richard Pugh some three months earlier.

Coroner's verdict: Accident.


March 30, 1987: David Sands, 37
--Expertise: Senior scientist working for Easams of Camberley, Surrey, a sister company to Marconi. Dr. John Brittan had also worked at Camberley.
--Circumstance: Fatal car crash when he allegedly made a sudden U-turn on a dual carriageway while on his way to work, crashing at high speed into a disused cafeteria. He was found still wearing his seat belt and it was discovered that the car had been carrying additional petrol cans. None of the
'normal' reasons for a possible suicide could be found.

Coroner's verdict; Open.


May 3, 1987: Michael Baker, 22
--Expertise: Digital communications expert working on a defence project at Plessey; part-time member of Signals Corps SAS.
--Circumstance: Fatal accident owhen his car crashed through a barrier near Poole in Dorset.

Coroner's verdict: Misadventure.


June 1987: Jennings, Frank, 60.
--Expertise: Electronic Weapons Engineer with Plessey.
--Circumstance: Found dead from a heart attack.

No inquest.


January 1988: Russell Smith, 23
--Expertise: Laboratory technician with the Atomic Energy Research Establishment at Harwell, Essex.
--Circumstance: Died as a result of a cliff fall at Boscastle in Cornwall.

Coroner's verdict: Suicide.


March 25, 1988: Trevor Knight, 52
--Expertise: Computer engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems in Stanmore, Middlesex.
--Circumstance: Found dead at his home in Harpenden, Hertfordshire at the wheel of his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust. A St.Alban's coroner said that Knight's woman friend, Miss Narmada Thanki (who also worked with him at Marconi) had found three suicide notes left by him which made clear his intentions. Miss Thanki had mentioned that Knight disliked his work but she did not detect any depression that would have driven him to suicide.

Coroner's verdict: Suicide.


August 1988: Alistair Beckham, 50
--Expertise: Software engineer with Plessey Defence Systems.
--Circumstance: Found dead after being electrocuted in his garden shed with wires connected to his body.

Coroner's verdict: Open.


August 22, 1988: Peter Ferry, 60
--Expertise: Retired Army Brigadier and an Assistant Marketing Director with Marconi.
--Circumstance: Found on 22nd or 23rd August 1988 electrocuted in his company flat with electrical leads in his mouth.

Coroner's verdict: Open


September 1988: Andrew Hall, 33
--Expertise: Engineering Manager with British Aerospace.
--Circumstance: Carbon monoxide poisoning in a car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust.

Coroner's verdict: Suicide.
 
I wonder as to whether they mention this kind of thing during careers advice at school these days?

I remember the Marconi thing as well, very odd. My friends father was, pre-retirement, a moderately sized wheel in the Marconi machine, I'll ask him what his thoughts are on it.
 
May 5, 2004: William T. McGuire, 39
--Expertise: NJ University Professor and Senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark.
--Circumstance of Death: Body found in 3 Suitcases floating in Chesapeake Bay.

That's Ryan Air for you! :D
 
Thanks Heckler for the warm welcome lol
I see this has been discussed before with some vigour.

I was aware of the 1980 tie ins with starwars and Maggie etc but data is harder to find for the 1980's

I came by two lots of stats
one said 18 billion to 1 and the other said 14 billion to 1

Whos quibbling about a mere 4 billion !!!!

The first 4 I mentioned were all well known to each other and there is quite a lot of info available for them.

Any one wishing to see for themselves should start with DR David Kelly's
Hutton inquiry transcripts !!!
A coverup is in there no doubt as far as I am concerned.

Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik
He was debriefed by Kelly when He defected from Russia.
Dr. Benito Que
Dr. Don C. Wiley
Both were good friends of Kelly and worked together on some projects


To get back to Kelly
1. the finders of the body said 3 police suddenly turned up before they had time to ring the police station to report their finding!
at the inquiry only 1 of the police was questioned and he said there was only 1 other officer with him ! by the way the other named officer wasnt even called !
The paramedics said they also saw 3 policemen ! obviously they cant count either.
The policeman that did give evidence was apparently looking for Kelly and had a hunch he was on the hill ! Yeah Right
He also was the officer that went to the house of Kelly to confiscate his documents that may be sensitive !! Do they have anyone that does this usually ? seems weird to me that it would be the person who found the body virtually.
The Finders and the Paramedics disagree on the way the body was leaning against a tree.
Between the paramedics seeing the body and the finders finding it, the only person to be left with the body was ??? answers on a post card please.

This is only the tip of the iceberg the transcript is full of things that make the eyebrows go up.
It reads better than the Warren Commision report for "and ask him the question !"
The question is why would someone or some government murder all these
men and women ???
It cant be due to Iraq.
Everyone assumes that David Kelly if he was murdered was killed to hide some truth about Iraq.
What if that is not the case and its something far more disturbing !

Thanks for the warm welcome from everyone.
Look forward to reading some more replies.
 
You need to compare all of this data with deaths in other professions, even non-scientific ones, etc. On their own, they may seem 'odd' perhaps - but in a wider context one wonders if that is also the case. There's also the point about how many microbiologists, etc. haven't died is such 'mysterous' circumstances. If they were dropping like flies from various apparently nefarious causes, then there may be a case for the conspiratorial argument. This may all just show that if you string a load of specfic data in such a way that it creates a warped picture.
 
The Marconi one was, I believe, fairly well debunked at the time.

Perhaps the best comparisoon would be to look at death rates among microbiologists in previous decades. Then again, , given the stress that some of them are under at present, eg dealing with outbreaks of SARS, the threat of terrorism, the risk that their work will be misused, then you can see why accidents and suicides might have increased.

You also have to be very careful about moving the goalposts - when you see that someone is actual a patent and intellectual property specialist who happens to have a background in microbiology, you get suspicious. Like the famous Mars Effect, which shows that top sportsmen were all born at the same time of year - so long as you are allowed to pick who counts as a 'top sportsman'...
 
Well, I'm scared!

Remember what the Guardian reporter said - we could go on but we might end up found dead in a burned-out car! :shock:
 
Well I,m convinced everythings ok now due to all the debunkers clear understanding of coincidence theory.

I should get a goods night sleep tonight and get my flight booked to outer mongolia no problem.

Thank escargot for your realistic appraisal of my future lol
If I continue to push my luck with this thread.

Knock Knock
Is that the door at this late hour ?
I wonder who that could be .........................................
 
'Coincidence theory'? You may have to explain that one. And, so far, there's been no debunking - just a few questions about the apparent data.
 
As skeptical as I can be to conspiracy theories, I am interested in this one.

If possible there should be checked if they got any other connections than being in the same profession.
What kind of projects was they working on?
Did they work together in a secret international organisation?
Did any of the scientists know any of the other which was killed/murdered/dead (and perhaps on the same project)?
And so on...
 
I think Techy was joking about 'coincidence theory'. He possibly means that most peeps put everything down to coincidence. ;)

As an example of how bizarre this group of deaths is, consider how many people you know personally, in any capacity, who've died of unnatural causes, say in accidents or murder or murder/suicide. Let's say you can count.......none? One? Less than 5?

Apparently, such a count for Dr Kelly, were he here now, would be more than 10, all colleagues! :shock:
 
Hi Vardoger
Thanks for the good questions

Yep I made coincidence theory up ( well nearly )

Dr Kelly was responsible at porton down for the debriefing of the russian microbiologists that had defected Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik
was one of these !

Tell you what
What does Dr Kelly have in common with 911 ?????

you,lle love this one
 
Heres a bit of speculation for you

Why would someone go to all the trouble of removing all the top bioweapons experts in the world ?

If someone in power had a weapon that had been already finished that would effectivley kill by race.
Then the people that had worked on parts of the weapon would need to be silenced.
These people would also be the ones expected to find a solution to the pandemic if it were to happen.

question
Where did the FBI /CIA track the anthrax to that was sent around USA after 911 ?
Was it Asia or USA ?

On the Kelly issue
How many policemen were seen walking up the hill by the finders of his body ?
How many times did DC Coe fail to show at the Hutton enquiry before he finally turned up ?
What was Operation Mason ?
Do the police have a special team that picks up secret documents from dead microbiologists if they happen to commit suicide.
how many hours does a Detective Constable work in a day ?
Why did DC Coe fail to follow orders and look elsewhere for Kelly ?
What did DC Coe do before he was a DC ?
How does Kelly,s body move from propped against the tree to flat ?
Why does his body move ?
 
*listens out for fire engines*
:shock:
 
Techybloke said:
in power had a weapon that had been already finished that would effectivley kill by race.
Then the people that had worked on parts of the weapon would need to be silenced.

Why? Just being devil's advocate here, there are any number of scary bioweapon projects out there, for example most of the major (and the minor come to think of it) potential slate wiping (i.e. 90% or higher fatality rates) natural diseases have been weaponised (i.e. turned into a disease that could be carried in a dispersal system/weapon and still be viable at the other end) including Marburg and Ebola to name but two. The scientists who worked on those are still alive (to my knowledge obviously I am not privvy to the inner workings of Govt. biotechnology) so why kill those attached to this Race disease project?

You could argue it would be controversial if it got out, but why would it? It would be in no-one's best interest from those who are involved to let this cat out of the bag to the press and equally in no-one's best interest to off the people who are involved with it's creation and thus draw attention to it.

I can concur that something very strange appears to be happening here in specific cases but I think the idea of a conspiracy in a larger sense requires a definite motive and I can't see one.
 
Yep escargot I better watch my step Or I may find myself naked from the waist down and wedged under a chair !!! dead in a locked house !

The wierd thing about their deaths is straight forward-
If you have 46 people who die.
a third of them should die from smoking related issues Heart attachs strokes.
Some of them will die of cancer a leading killer
one or two from old age
maybe diabetes would take one etc

most of these 46 died from either murder/suicide/ or no autopsy and a few plane crahes/car crashes.
did any of them die from the usual suspects ?
two of them had holidays booked only to commit suicide !
Kelly was looking forward to a holiday and retirement.
one killed his best mate and then killed himself ?!
one disapeared completley
one suffocated on nitrogen in an airlock ?
ebola killed another one
these are professional people who do not get paid to make blunders like that
11 of the 46 were in the top 20 of bioweapon specialists in the world at that time/
Kelly and pashenic were the best we had in this country at porton down.

The goverment is worried about something at the moment to try and force thro such a anti human rights measure as the terrorism Bill.

What do they know that we a too stupid to be trusted to make the right decision about ?

I,m hoping I,m wrong !!
What if I,m not
?
 
Techybloke said:
What do they know that we a too stupid to be trusted to make the right decision about ?

Not much I suspect ( :D ), let's not start widening this into a government is out to get all of us suggestion.

You've made a good point about the amount of unnatural death surrounding that branch of science but to make a truely informed "aha something is going on here" conclusion we need some comparitive data. I.e. as suggested what the percentiles are in other industries.

ebola killed another one

As I mentioned this happens in bioweapon research, because even professionals do make mistakes, this doesn't happen in other industries because no-one else handles a lethal filo-virus on a daily basis.

The same with :

one suffocated on nitrogen in an airlock ?

Most people don't work with airlocks.

I guess what I'm trying to get at here is that we still haven't definitely seen something out of the ordinary here, a number of eye-brow raising coincidences for sure but to definitely say "okay something weird is happening here" we need comparison.
 
hell after some of the days at work i have had if i handled anything vaguely dangerous i would be joining the list.

Besides, how many Microbiologists are there in the world? this is important as this could just be a blip after all WW2 microbiologists would assuming they where mid 20's during the war would now be mid to late 80's of course it could all be a conspiracy
 
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