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The '86 Challenger Crew Are Alive & Well

GNC said:
But the doppelganger thread proves you can look like someone, have the same name and share life details while being unrelated. That's a tiny sample, there must be many more. And while similar, the supposed Challenger doubles don't look that much alike to be 100% convincing.
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Well it would be impossible for them to look like exact doubles because the 'doubles' are all 30 years older than the person they are supposed to look like.

I've no difficulty believing that there are people out there who are doubles of other people, believing that a group of people tied together by such a tragic event all have doubles who share their exact names and ages is a little harder.

I don't see the 'why' in this conspiracy so whether it is more cosmic strangeness, but I am pretty impressed by it whatever it is.
 
Loquaciousness said:
But we aren't all in agreement about the likeness are we? I for one, have pointed out several ways in which the old versions don't really match the young version, and how do you explain the change in eye colour for instance? She could be wearing contacts to disguise herself of course, but in that case a change of name might have been better....
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Obviously, that is the biggest flaw with this theory. Why on earth would whoever was behind it just let them wander off and live new lives with the exact same names.
 
McAvennie said:
I've no difficulty believing that there are people out there who are doubles of other people, believing that a group of people tied together by such a tragic event all have doubles who share their exact names and ages is a little harder.

I don't see the 'why' in this conspiracy so whether it is more cosmic strangeness, but I am pretty impressed by it whatever it is.
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What it is, is a selection effect. There are millions of people in the world, but only a limited number of facial types and names available. The hoaxers (or conspiracy nuts) simply select the best matching faces, getting maybe dozens or hundreds of matches for each victim. Then they look at the names of the matches, and select the nearest match to their target. This might seem like a significant correlation, but given large enough numbers of faces and names to select from (easy with computer technology) it's easy to construct a false narrative which fools those who don't understand statistics.

This is helped by the selection process for astronauts. Not only do they need certain specialist skills, they have to be fairly normal looking for PR purposes. Freaks would not be selected! So astronauts would tend to cluster around the middle of the 'Bell Curve' for physical features.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
 
Just for a wee exercise this afternoon I selected a soldier killed in a friendly fire incident about a decade ago and then Google image searched his name for someone who looked similar with that name. Sure some people came up who looked the same but their name was different. Finding a face, name and age match is certainly possible but wouldn't be easy. To do it four times?
 
rynner2 said:
What it is, is a selection effect. There are millions of people in the world, but only a limited number of facial types and names available. The hoaxers (or conspiracy nuts) simply select the best matching faces, getting maybe dozens or hundreds of matches for each victim. Then they look at the names of the matches, and select the nearest match to their target. This might seem like a significant correlation, but given large enough numbers of faces and names to select from (easy with computer technology) it's easy to construct a false narrative which fools those who don't understand statistics.

This is helped by the selection process for astronauts. Not only do they need certain specialist skills, they have to be fairly normal looking for PR purposes. Freaks would not be selected! So astronauts would tend to cluster around the middle of the 'Bell Curve' for physical features.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
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So how come one astronaut is unaccounted for in that pic?
 
Are they hoaxers? I don't think they are doing the research and presenting the theory just to fool people into believing their story.

If you use that approach who is to say Charles Fort wasn't a hoaxer and just made up or embellished his stories to get one over on the gullible public.
 
Doesn't that kind of contradict your case?

How do you explain four doppelgangers with the same name and age?

They just searched until they found people who look the same. It is easy because astronauts are bland looking and ordinary.

So why didn't they easily find doppelgangers for all the bland and ordinary looking astronauts?

Erm, because they couldn't.
 
McAvennie said:
Are they hoaxers? I don't think they are doing the research and presenting the theory just to fool people into believing their story.
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Are they doing 'research', though? I'd like to see one or more statisticians examine their methods and conclusions.

And the presentation of their website does not suggest serious scientific research, but seems to be an attempt to show that 'Bullshit Baffles Brains'.
 
rynner2 said:
At a guess, I'd say the hoaxers couldn't find a close enough lookalike.
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You can't have it both ways Ryn. You can't say theorists have computer technology at their disposal to find hundreds of lookalike namesakes and then say they can't find one for that guy.
 
jimv1 said:
You can't have it both ways Ryn. You can't say theorists have computer technology at their disposal to find hundreds of lookalike namesakes and then say they can't find one for that guy.
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I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. Just because there are four matches doesn't mean there will be five. Maybe some people are just so darn different, that there are no matches for them. For instance, a search on the web only yields three other women with the same name as me, and none of them look remotely like me.
 
Loquaciousness said:
I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. Just because there are four matches doesn't mean there will be five. Maybe some people are just so darn different, that there are no matches for them. For instance, a search on the web only yields three other women with the same name as me, and none of them look remotely like me.
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Which kind of backs up the point that finding four people with the same name who also look very closely, if not perfectly, alike is not particularly easy.

The doppelganger thread, quoted before as proof of these just being people who look similar to the astronauts, leads to a website set up by folk who wanted to post their pictures online and have the world come to them with their doppelgangers. A few of them seemed to have found decent lookalikes but not ones with the same name.

Surely if we are saying that it is not unusual to have doppelgangers with the same name as us then a highly-publicised internet campaign to find doppelgangers would have easily located closely alike people for those on the website. And surely they would have chosen the one with the same name to use in their publicity. The fact that an internet campaign did not rustle up same-name doppelgangers makes the fact that this "hoaxer / nut" managed to find four people who look alike and have the same names AND all seemingly are the same age as they would be if their doppelganger of 1985 had lived AND were all doppelgangers of the Challenger crew even more amazing.

EDIT: A cursory Google search for "Doppelgänger found same name" does not throw up any cases I can see of anyone finding their doppelganger and discovering that they shared a name. An occurrence which would certainly be newsworthy at least in the local press and would seemingly be easily found on news sites if it was as simple and as common as is being claimed.
 
It depends on the audience for the Doppelganger experiment - I for one didn't even know it existed, and as I keep saying how many people there are with your name. I just did a quick search on Linkedin, and found several Judith Resnick, including this one, who does look like the original if you darken her hair ( well as much as the ones in opening post ).... that took 3 minutes to find. http://www5.cbia.com/newsroom/staff-bios-and-pictures/judith-k-resnick/
My Judith even has the same little bulby bit on the end of the nose!
 
Loquaciousness said:
I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. Just because there are four matches doesn't mean there will be five. Maybe some people are just so darn different, that there are no matches for them. For instance, a search on the web only yields three other women with the same name as me, and none of them look remotely like me.
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...and I'm the only person in the world with my name!

(Well, the only one that Google can find......)
 
I guess that Resnik/Resnick being a name of Slavic/Jewish origins, people bearing that surname from birth may share certain facial characteristics consistent with that ethnicity. Just as you could find an awful lot of Anders Jensens with remarkably similar Nordic features.
 
Loquaciousness said:
It depends on the audience for the Doppelganger experiment - I for one didn't even know it existed, and as I keep saying how many people there are with your name. I just did a quick search on Linkedin, and found several Judith Resnick, including this one, who does look like the original if you darken her hair ( well as much as the ones in opening post ).... that took 3 minutes to find. http://www5.cbia.com/newsroom/staff-bios-and-pictures/judith-k-resnick/
My Judith even has the same little bulby bit on the end of the nose!
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Maybe this is just a good experiment in how people see likenesses as for me she looks nothing like the astronaut - whose name was actually Resnik if I were to be picky an exact match her Yale likeness shares

To me this one looks like Deirdre Barlow. :)
 
CarlosTheDJ said:
...and I'm the only person in the world with my name!

(Well, the only one that Google can find......)
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I'm not even the only person in my field of work with my name. I know of at least three others, two of whom have worked on similar/same projects. There are also several musicians, which always make for fun photos when billboards are up advertising their tours. And there was a lower league footballer in the early 90s.

None of them look like me though.
 
Interestingly though....... no-one seems to have run any facial recognition/comparison software on the pictures. Now THAT is the first thing I would do if I wanted to lend support to my theory.
 
Are there no investigative journalists in the US? Is the Pulitzer prize no more? This is a story that the press should be all over, but it seems that only odd websites like this one even discuss it.

Perhaps the press has already had a look, but found that the story fell apart as soon as they started checking on it. Perhaps the alleged look-alikes don't really exist in the places claimed, let alone with the names of dead astronauts.

Until more convincing evidence turns up I'm calling hoax on this.

And don't believe anything you find on Google either - Google is evil! You can't watch stuff on Youtube without Google squirting adverts in your eye, and their search engine tracks everything you do. I almost always use alternative search engines nowadays.
 
And another thing that occurs to me is that people of a similar age are more likely to have similar first names. E.g. in Britain Kims tend to be in their 50's, Joannes, Nicoles, Michaels and variations of these names are 40 somethings like me.
 
Loquaciousness said:
And another thing that occurs to me is that people of a similar age are more likely to have similar first names. E.g. in Britain Kims tend to be in their 50's, Joannes, Nicoles, Michaels and variations of these names are 40 somethings like me.
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I've never met a Maxine that was born after 1973
 
CarlosTheDJ said:
...and I'm the only person in the world with my name!

(Well, the only one that Google can find......)
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I must admit, I've never heard of anybody else with a surname of TheDJ.
 
I have a double with the same name as me who I get mistaken for when I visit the doctor's. Unfortunately I believe he's a bit of a troublemaker. Never met him, thank goodness. Oh, and we're both astronauts.

Anyway, I would think the Challenger conspiracy would hold a lot more water if these photographs looked a lot more like each other, but they don't. Are we even sure they are who the CTs say they are, same names and all?
 
GNC said:
I have a double with the same name as me who I get mistaken for when I visit the doctor's. Unfortunately I believe he's a bit of a troublemaker. Never met him, thank goodness. Oh, and we're both astronauts.

Anyway, I would think the Challenger conspiracy would hold a lot more water if these photographs looked a lot more like each other, but they don't. Are we even sure they are who the CTs say they are, same names and all?
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If you follow the links on the website they all come up independently on LinkedIn or official University websites.

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/richard-scobee/18/754/238
http://directory.engr.wisc.edu/ie/faculty/smith_michael
http://www.law.nyu.edu/alumni/almo/pastalmos/2011-12almos/judithresnikjune
http://www.lawyers.com/syracuse/new-york/sharon-a-mcauliffe-559851-a/
 
Fair enough, but I still think the CTs have seen Capricorn One too many times. The best way to find out is to e-mail these non-exact doubles and ask them if it's true, if anyone wishes to try that.
 
GNC said:
Fair enough, but I still think the CTs have seen Capricorn One too many times. The best way to find out is to e-mail these non-exact doubles and ask them if it's true, if anyone wishes to try that.
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And alert them that we are on to them...

Be my guest! :D
 
It is not just that they look like their astronaut counterparts though.

Or that they all have the same names.

Or that they are all roughly 30 years older than the astronauts were when they dies 30 years ago...

As if those coincidences were not enough.

The double of the Captain of the Challenger, Richard Scobee, is CEO of this company www.cowsintrees.com - you should see a flash animation when you first visit that site.

If the coincidence of a man looking like Capt Richard Scobee, being a similar age as Richard Scobee would be now, being called Richard Scobee wasn't an amazing enough coincidence - being the CEO of a company whose website that opens with a rocket launch and then a swirl of white smoke against a blue sky. Regardless of how much you pass it off as coincidence that is one hell of a freaky coincidence. Anyone who says the caterpillars of swirling smoke against the blue sky isn't the first visual image they have when thinking of the Challenger explosion is a liar.

Sharon McAuliffe, namesake of Sharon 'Christa' McAuliffe is a lawyer associated with Syracuse University.

When Christa McAuliffe's understudy Barbara Morgan was announced as the next woman to follow in McAuliffe's footsteps in the 'Teacher In Space' programme the announcement to the public was made in... Syracuse.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/04/12/space-teacher.htm

A conspiracy theorist may see that as hiding clues in plain sight...

I, from the start, have asked why you would let them live on with the same names, so leaving clues like this as well would be ridiculously stupid.

Do I honestly think these folk are the Challenger crew. No, probably not. They could be. But I doubt they are.

Regardless, the number of coincidences combined to create a scenario whereby four members of the seven crew could have doppelgängers with the same name, at the right age and whom have curious/coincidental links to the Challenger story... That is something in itself, whatever it is.
 
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