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The Falklands

It was a pesky pope that started all this, as I posted here in March 2010:
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewt ... 348#958348

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Argentina says it has a right to the islands because it inherited them from the Spanish crown in the early 1800s.
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The Spanish claim presumably descends from this:

"Inter caetera ("Among other [works]") was a papal bull issued by Pope Alexander VI on 4 May 1493, which granted to Spain (the Crowns of Castile and Aragon) all lands to the "west and south" of a pole-to-pole line 100 leagues west and south of any of the islands of the Azores or the Cape Verde Islands.[1]

It remains unclear to the present whether the pope was issuing a "donation" of sovereignty or a feudal infeodation or investiture. Differing interpretations have been argued since the bull was issued, with some arguing that it was only meant to transform the possession and occupation of land into lawful sovereignty. Others, including the Spanish crown and the conquistadores, interpreted it in the widest possible sense, deducing that it gave Spain full political sovereignty.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera
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theyithian said:
He clearly said it before some Italians made him infalliable.

Had the quotation been put to me rather than Cameron, I would have pointed out that we in England have enjoyed a glorious history of almost five-hundred years of ignoring the pope's witterings.
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Why doesn't FTMB have a Like button?
 
theyithian said:
He clearly said it before some Italians made him infalliable.

Had the quotation been put to me rather than Cameron, I would have pointed out that we in England have enjoyed a glorious history of almost five hundred years of ignoring the pope's witterings.
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rynner2 said:
David Cameron tells Pope Francis white smoke over Falklands was clear
David Cameron has publicly clashed with the new Pope over the Argentine pontiff’s claim that Britain “usurped” the Falkland Islands.
By Tim Ross, Brussels
3:28PM GMT 15 Mar 2013

Pope Francis, who is a former Archbishop of Buenos Aires, has previously described the disputed territory as belonging to “the homeland” of Argentina.
However, the Prime Minister told him he should “respect” the islanders’ referendum vote for the Falklands to remain British.
Mr Cameron even dared to make a joke at the expense of the Vatican’s ancient election processes.
"The white smoke over the Falklands was pretty clear,” he said.
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And what does the white smoke over Diego Garcia say ? Bloody hypocrit bastard.
 
A long article, but interesting to Argentina watchers:

'Queen Cristina' facing the end of her reign
Politically weakened and physically frail, Argentina's president Cristina Fernandez Kirchner is facing the end of a decade of a family rule as she recovers from brain clot surgery ahead of key elections

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... reign.html
 
Argentine threat over Falkland Islands oil operations

Argentina has threatened oil businesses operating off the Falkland Islands with fines, confiscations and jail sentences for their executives.
Argentina's embassy in London said new laws had been passed by the country's congress to clamp down on exploration it claims is in breach of UN decisions.

The UK's Foreign Office insisted the activities were legitimately controlled by the islands' government.
Islanders recently voted overwhelmingly to remain a British overseas territory.

The embassy said legislation "provides for prison sentences for the duration of up to 15 years; fines equivalent to the value of 1.5 million barrels of oil; the banning of individuals and companies from operating in Argentina; and the confiscation of equipment and any hydrocarbons that would have been illegally extracted".

It said in a statement: "The Argentine government has protested against and rejected all of the United Kingdom's attempts to promote and authorize such hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation activities in the area of the Argentine continental shelf.
"These attempts are manifestly contrary to Resolution 31/49 of the United Nations General Assembly, which requires the UK and Argentina to refrain from taking decisions that would imply introducing unilateral modifications into the situation of the Malvinas Islands while the sovereignty dispute between the two countries is still pending."

In a referendum in March, Falkland Islanders decided by 1,513 votes to three to remain a UK overseas territory but Argentina - which calls the islands the Malvinas - has stepped up its claims to them at the United Nations.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: "Hydrocarbons activities by any company operating on the continental shelf of the Falkland Islands are regulated by legislation of the Falkland Islands government, in strict accordance with the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea.
"As such these activities are wholly legitimate and legal. The UK government unequivocally supports the right of the Falkland Islanders to develop their natural resources for their own economic benefit.
"This right is an integral part of their right of self-determination, which is expressly contained in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

"Argentine domestic law does not apply to the Falkland Islands or South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, which are UK overseas territories."

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25149096
 
How A Punk Band Fooled MI6, Scared Margaret Thatcher And Almost Caused A Diplomatic Incident

Previously classified documents reveal how a spoof punk recording baffled the UK and US security services during the early 1980s.

Official documents released today reveal that a spoof recording made by anarchist punk band Crass resulted in MI6 informing Margaret Thatcher that they may have uncovered a new form of Soviet propaganda campaign.

Crass – known for releases such as “Nagasaki Nightmare” and “Penis Envy” – undertook a variety of anti-establishment protests during the late 1970s and early 1980s.

None were more successfully subversive as when, in 1982, the band spliced together recordings of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and US President Ronald Reagan to make it sound as though they were arguing over the Falklands War and discussing the possibility of launching nuclear weapons at Germany.

Crass then posted the tape to Dutch newspapers, who swiftly dismissed it as a fake. But a few months later the US State Department got hold of a copy and loudly proclaimed it to be an example of underhand Soviet Union propaganda.

Official UK government documents, declassified for the first time today, show that Margaret Thatcher was kept updated on the incident by the Foreign Office. The papers also suggest that MI6, the CIA and the US State Department were in communication with each other regarding the tape for up to two years.

A Foreign Office official first wrote to Thatcher in 1983, warning the Prime Minister that the recording could be an Argentinian or Soviet intelligence operation designed to discredit her, according to one of the newly-released letters.

The embassy in Hague recently passed to London a tape recording of a purported telephone conversation between the Prime Minister and President Reagan during the Falklands crisis.

  • This looks like a rather clumsy operation. We have no evidence so far about who is responsible. SIS [also known as MI6] doubt whether this is a Soviet operation. It is possible that one of the Argentine intelligence services might have been behind it; or alternatively it might be the work of left-wing groups in this country.
Then The Sunday Times ran a piece entitled “How the KGB fools the West’s press” based on a US State Department briefing about the tape. It blamed the Russian security services for the forgery.

  • …journalists across the world have fallen for an increasing flow of such stories based on “authoritative” cables, memo and tapes. The State Department in Washington says they are all products of an increasingly sophisicated Russian campaign.

    “They have accelerated their efforts and they have fine-tuned them,” claims Larry Semakis, deputy director of a State Department team that monitors what the Russians call “active measures.” He admits that “no one can specifically prove in a court of law that Soviet hand was on this or that item.” But he says there is a pattern in the use of forgeries which points unmistakably to the Russians.

    The State Department believes that “active measures” are the responsibility of the KGB’s first directorate; that some forgeries go as high as the ruling Politburo for approval…
The newly-released letters reveal that Thatcher herself was concerned by the recording that Crass had made in their bedroom.

The Prime Minister even sought advice from the foreign secretary and home secretary as to whether she should discuss the tape in an interview on the BBC’s Panorama.

BuzzFeed phoned former Crass singer Steve Ignorant – now a volunteer lifeboatman in Norfolk – to tell him that the 1982 spoof tape had been discussed at high levels of government in both Washington DC and London.
This is what he said:

  • It makes me a bit worried about governments because if they could be fooled by something so ridiculous… well, someone told us that there was an MI5 dossier on us but we didn’t take it that seriously.

    I’m quite stunned [the recording] went that far.

    [Bass player Pete Wright] just vanished upstairs one day with a load of little cassette tapes and – with a razor blade and sellotape – was slicing together stuff that he’d recorded off a black and white portable TV that we couldn’t tune in properly.

    Just as a joke he had it sent to Europe and sent back to various newspapers from Belgium. We didn’t think for a second people would take it seriously. But obviously people did.
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Full story:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/how ... r-diplomat

PENNY RIMBAUD ON HOW CRASS NEARLY STARTED WORLD WAR 3

Official government documents have just been released regarding one of the best things ever done by the only real punk band ever, Crass.

Basically, in 1982, when the rest of punk had started playing sax, Crass created this piece of subversive décollage, splicing together recordings of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan to create a fake phone call between the conservative übermenschen.

Here's Crass founder Penny Rimbaud explaining the whole story to VICE back in 2004:

  • "We wanted to come up with something which might get rid of Thatcher. It was just after the Falklands charade, when she was about to get re-elected. We were told something we knew could seriously dent the Thatcher Empire. Allegedly, the Navy had allowed HMS Sheffield to be blown out of the water by not informing them that an incoming Exocet missile had been picked up on the radar. The other three boats in the grouping were informed and took defensive action. Why? Because one of the ships was the Invincible and on board was Prince Andrew. Given that the information was classified, we decided the only way to make it public was to fake a telephone conversation between Thatcher and Reagan.

    "We edited bits and pieces from speeches made by the two of them, creating a conversation which included all the details of the Sheffield. We then sent out tapes to all the major European newspapers, but nothing happened. Thatcher was re-elected, but then, six months down the line, the US State Department announced that they were in possession of KGB tapes 'produced to destroy democracy as we know it'.

    "It soon became obvious that it was our tape they were talking about. It was frightening. A bunch of anarchist jokers sparking off a world war? Anyway, the same KGB story eventually broke in the British press and it wasn't long before The Observer got in touch with us, asking whether we knew anything about the tapes. It was unbelievable. The whole operation had been carried out in absolute secrecy, but somehow or other they'd managed to pin it onto us. After a gruelling day of negotiations, we agreed to admit responsibility if they would print the Sheffield details in their article, which, true to their word, they did.

    "We did our best to expose the story but even now it's an issue which has never really been given full and proper investigation."
Yesterday, official documents were released about the case. They're not wildly revelatory, but they do prove that Margaret Thatcher spent at least a small part of 1983 reading about Crass. Something she has in common with most of the 45-year-old punks you see throwing their cider cans at Pret a Manger in Kentish Town.
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http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/penny-ra ... ly-started
 
Same old, same old...

12 April 2014 Last updated at 05:03
UK Falklands military exercises 'provoke' Argentina

Britain has been accused of provoking Argentina with plans to hold military exercises in the Falkland Islands.
Argentina said next week's drills would include missile launches and were part of a "pattern" of "hostile acts".

The British ambassador in Buenos Aires has been summoned by Argentina's deputy foreign minister, who will protest over the "new show of military force".
Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has called the islands "Nato's military base" in the region.
Argentina claims the islands, which are known to it as Las Malvinas.

It said the UK planned to conduct the exercises on "occupied Argentine territory" between 14 and 27 April.
A spokesman for the Argentine embassy in London added: "This action is a new example of UK's disregard for United Nations resolutions, which call on both parties to resume negotiations over sovereignty and refrain from introducing unilateral modifications in the situation as long as the dispute persists."

Islanders voted by 1,513 to three to remain a British overseas territory in a referendum last year.
UK Prime Minister David Cameron said at the time that the result "could not have sent a clearer message".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26999735
 
Well, they were thieved originally but that was a long time ago. Its not as if indigenous people were displaced.

Bit much suggesting he should resign for expressing an opinion that is factual.

Falklands veterans urge Collymore to resign

War veterans have called on former England and Liverpool striker Stan Collymore to apologise and resign from his radio job after his comments that Britain “thieved” the Falkland Islands.

Around 40 people, including decorated ex-servicemen who served in the conflict, held a silent protest outside the talkSPORT headquarters in London where Collymore, a well-known commentator on sport and politics with more than 600,000 Twitter followers, is a pundit.

The tweet, from his personal account, read: “Falklands? Wasn’t anyone’s. We just thieved it, as we do.”

Veterans said it was the timing of the tweet, on the anniversary of the sinking of missile destroyer HMS Coventry on May 25 leading to 19 deaths, which upset them, rather than the content.

Campaign spokesman and Falklands veteran Dougie Brimson, who organised the protest, said he believed in freedom of speech but said Collymore’s comments overstepped the mark.

The 55-year-old, from Hertfordshire, said: “On 25 May Stan Collymore posted a tweet which disrespected the memory of the 255 men and three islanders who died during the liberation of the Falkland Islands. It upset a lot of people and has taken us to this position.

“Everybody’s got a right to hold an opinion and to voice that opinion. The issue with the tweet is that the words used – inferring that the islands were thieved – we found disrespectful. ...

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingne ... 34095.html
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UN committee 'backs Argentina' over Falkands dispute
Decolonisation Committee approves new resolution urging UK and Argentina to negotiate a solution, despite 99 per cent of residents voting to remain as they are
Fiona Govan in Madrid
11:57PM BST 26 Jun 2014

A UN committee has approved a new resolution calling on Britain and Argentina to negotiate a solution to their dispute over the Falkland Islands, essentially favoring Argentina's stance in the nearly 200-year-old feud.

The 24-nation Decolonisation Committee passed the resolution by consensus despite passionate speeches from a pair of Falkland Islands representatives arguing the most islanders want to keep things as they are. The decision showed that the committee members have been largely unmoved by a referendum in the Falkland Islands last year in which more than 99 percent of voters favored remaining a British Overseas Territory.

Britain has rebuffed Argentina's calls to negotiate the sovereignty of the wind-swept south Atlantic archipelago, saying it is up to the islands to decide.

Argentinian Foreign Minister Hector Timerman railed at Britain for ignoring dozens of UN resolutions urging the two countries to sit down and talk.
"It is imperative that the United Kingdom sits down again at the negotiating table," Mr Timerman said.

Britain asserted control of the islands by placing a naval garrison there in 1833. Argentina claims Britain stole the territory, with tensions between the countries escalating to war in 1982 after Argentina invaded the islands.

The Falkland Islands Government is a direct democracy and largely self-governing, although Britain handles its defense and foreign affairs. Excluding the British military and civilian contractors, the territory has a population of about 2,563 people, according to a 2012 census.

Argentina argues that the Falkland Islands dispute is a matter of "sovereignty," while Britain prefers to refer to "self-determination," which focuses more on the people than on the territory.

Timerman pressed Argentina's claims that islanders are an "implanted" population, kept stagnant with strict immigration policies for the purpose of occupying territory that does not belong to them. :roll:

Roger Edwards, a member of the Falklands Islands Legislative Assembly, said such claims are false. He said he and many other islanders come from families who have been there for generations and "have a strong wish to be master of our own affairs."
"We are confident in our future," he said. "The only inhibition to our development is the continuing spiteful aggression of our people by Argentina."

The British Mission to the U.N. criticized the committee for ignoring the outcome of last year's referendum.
"It is disappointing that once again the C24 has not respected the clear and democratic expression of the Falkland Islanders' wishes and continues to describe the Falkland Islands' constitutional relationship with the U.K. as a 'colonial situation,'" the mission said in emailed comments.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... spute.html
 
Quake42 said:
Looking at the membership of this Committee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Co ... lonization

I suspect it is just a whinge from a group of countries which are variously ill-informed and with axes to grind against the West.

File under ignore.
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Eight of the countries are smaller former British Colonies, now part of the Commonwealth and have very good relations with the UK. I think they just disagree with the UK on this occasion.
 
ramonmercado said:
Quake42 said:
Looking at the membership of this Committee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Co ... lonization

I suspect it is just a whinge from a group of countries which are variously ill-informed and with axes to grind against the West.

File under ignore.
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Eight of the countries are smaller former British Colonies, now part of the Commonwealth and have very good relations with the UK. I think they just disagree with the UK on this occasion.
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Have very good relations but hold a secret grudge?
 
Mythopoeika said:
ramonmercado said:
Quake42 said:
Looking at the membership of this Committee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Co ... lonization

I suspect it is just a whinge from a group of countries which are variously ill-informed and with axes to grind against the West.

File under ignore.
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Eight of the countries are smaller former British Colonies, now part of the Commonwealth and have very good relations with the UK. I think they just disagree with the UK on this occasion.
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Have very good relations but hold a secret grudge?
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People can disagree wiuth you and not hold a grudge.

The consensus wasn't actually to support Argentina but to call for a negotiated settlement.
 
The consensus wasn't actually to support Argentina but to call for a negotiated settlement
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There's nothing to negotiate. The Falkland Islanders, almost without exception, wish to remain British. That should be the end of the matter.

The only imperialists and colonisers here are the Argentinians, laying claim to a tiny territory hundreds of miles away against the clear wishes of the people of that territory.
 
Quake42 said:
The consensus wasn't actually to support Argentina but to call for a negotiated settlement
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There's nothing to negotiate. The Falkland Islanders, almost without exception, wish to remain British. That should be the end of the matter.

The only imperialists and colonisers here are the Argentinians, laying claim to a tiny territory hundreds of miles away against the clear wishes of the people of that territory.
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Spot on, and I'm frankly amazed that the rest of the world doesn't seem to see it that way. That's why I think it's contrarianism caused by the holding of a grudge.
 
Quake42 said:
The consensus wasn't actually to support Argentina but to call for a negotiated settlement
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There's nothing to negotiate. The Falkland Islanders, almost without exception, wish to remain British. That should be the end of the matter.

The only imperialists and colonisers here are the Argentinians, laying claim to a tiny territory hundreds of miles away against the clear wishes of the people of that territory.
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I agree with you about the Falklanders having the right to self-determination, I think the same should have applied to Hong Kong.

What could be up for negotiation is the competing claims for oil and mineral rights. This could go to international arbitration as such claims often do.
 
We just rented Hong Kong, so we had no ownership over the people.
But yes, they should have had the right to be independent if they chose - I guess China (the owners) didn't want to allow that to happen.
 
Mythopoeika said:
We just rented Hong Kong, so we had no ownership over the people.
But yes, they should have had the right to be independent if they chose - I guess China (the owners) didn't want to allow that to happen.
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Pat of the Hong Kong Territories were on a lease, part were sovereign Crown Territory. The majority of the people didn't want unification with the PRC.

Being realistic I guess it would have been difficult to oppose the PRC.
 
Hong Kong was discussed earlier on this thread - I agree HK people got a raw deal when the territory was returned to China, but as Mytho says the circumstances were entirely different. We made a deal with China a century earlier and we honoured it. I'm not sure what could have realistically been done instead.

In any case I don't see that it is of great relevance to the Falklands - the fact that we're not always able to do what might be the right thing is not a reason not to do it when we can. I complained about whataboutery on the Murdoch thread and I'm afraid that this seems to be another version of it - try to muddy the waters on what is actually a completely black and white issue by bringing up a different situation elsewhere.

Incidentally, I don't see why any oil and mineral claims should go to arbitration. The Falklands are around 300 miles off the Argentine coast, well outside of Argentina's territorial waters. They have no more claim to them than we would to a coal seam in central France.
 
Quake42 said:
Hong Kong was discussed earlier on this thread - I agree HK people got a raw deal when the territory was returned to China, but as Mytho says the circumstances were entirely different. We made a deal with China a century earlier and we honoured it. I'm not sure what could have realistically been done instead.

In any case I don't see that it is of great relevance to the Falklands - the fact that we're not always able to do what might be the right thing is not a reason not to do it when we can. I complained about whataboutery on the Murdoch thread and I'm afraid that this seems to be another version of it - try to muddy the waters on what is actually a completely black and white issue by bringing up a different situation elsewhere.

Incidentally, I don't see why any oil and mineral claims should go to arbitration. The Falklands are around 300 miles off the Argentine coast, well outside of Argentina's territorial waters. They have no more claim to them than we would to a coal seam in central France.
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And the UK is thousands of miles away from the Falklands. It would be different if the Falklanders had full internal government and the status of say the Isle of Man. These things do affect international law.

It might not be a bad idea to arrange for such a status to be negotiated with the Falklanders. A self-governing entity with the UK looking after Foreign Affairs and Defence would be a different proposition under international law.

Its not whataboutery on my part mentioning HK, I support the Falklanders right to decide their own destiny. Tghe UK could have held on to the territories not subject to lease (as the inhabitantsa desired) but I acceopt that might not have been practical.
 
I still think there could be a deal to be done, whereby the UK lease (or sell) West Falkland to Argentina, and keep East Falkland in perpetuity, since it's where all but a tiny handful of the residents live. Not an ideal solution, and I don't think that it's necessarily one I would totally support - really, I'm just throwing it out as a discussion point.
 
Peripart said:
I still think there could be a deal to be done, whereby the UK lease (or sell) West Falkland to Argentina, and keep East Falkland in perpetuity, since it's where all but a tiny handful of the residents live. Not an ideal solution, and I don't think that it's necessarily one I would totally support - really, I'm just throwing it out as a discussion point.
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The following, not intended as mocking in any way: I recall during the Falklands conflict in 1982, an eight-year-old's "Letter to the Editor" being published in a British daily newspaper -- basically offering this suggestion: let Britain have one island, and Argentina the other. As quoted above, not an ideal solution -- but maybe, a possibility worth considering. "Out of the mouths of babes", and all that...
 
Part of the problem with giving away any of the Falklands, South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands is that they come with associated territorial claims in Antarctica.
The claims to land in Antarctica are determined by the nations that are nearby in the Southern hemisphere. The claims of the UK, Chile and Argentina have some major overlaps. If the UK gives away any of the islands, that will change the areas claimed in Antarctica.
OK, so all claims in Antarctica are currently 'scientific research only' - but at some point in the future, who knows? We may become desperate enough to start drilling for oil and gas down there once a lot of the ice clears away.
 
Tributes as the last soldier injured in the Falklands War, Ian Morton, is laid to rest
Last updated 08:47 Friday 23 January 2015
by Luke Sproule, Reporter covering Rose Hill, Iffley and Littlemore. Please call me on (01865) 425422

THE last British soldier injured in the final minutes of the Falklands War was laid to rest in Oxfordshire yesterday.
Cowley Mini plant security worker and father-of-three Ian Morton, who died on New Year’s Eve, was described as an “unsung hero” as dozens of comrades gathered to pay tribute to him at Banbury Crematorium.
The 52-year-old was found dead in his home in Upper Heyford, near Bicester, on January 1, a day after he suffered a heart attack.

On the morning of June 14, 1982, he was hit by a grenade and shrapnel in ferocious fighting during the Battle of Mount Tumbledown.
Comrades said Mr Morton, a sniper in the Scots Guards, had been in an advanced and exposed position attacking Argentine forces when he was hit and suffered back injuries. It was half an hour before the Argentinians surrendered.
His ex-wife Karen, daughter Candice, 30, and sons Robert, 26, and Ross, 21, travelled from Scotland to be at his funeral. Current wife Rebecca and stepdaughter Sasha were also in attendance.

Mr Morton was born and raised in Newarthill, near Motherwell, Scotland. Candice said: “I will remember his sense of humour and his stories. The last time I saw him was last year, just a few weeks after the birth of my son Daniel.
“He was so excited to be a grandfather and we had a precious week together. He was supposed to come up and stay at New Year and he did not arrive and I called the police.
“He had been packing his bags to come when he had a heart attack and he just never made it.” :(

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http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/new..._in_the_Falklands_War_is_laid_to_rest/?ref=mr
 
Britain to send more troops to the Falklands to counter 'heightened' invasion threat from Argentina
Michael Fallon, the defence secretary, will announce plans to bolster the Falkland Islands garrison
By Telegraph Reporter
11:26PM GMT 23 Mar 2015

Michael Fallon, the defence secretary, will announce plans to bolster the Falkland Islands garrison amid fears of a renewed threat from Argentina.
The south American nation is feared to be increasing military expenditure, according to reports. Senior ministers in the country have also made a series of increasingly aggressive statements about the islands in recent years.

A Whitehall source told the Sun newspaper: "The Defence Secretary's decision reflects our operational judgments and the heightened nature of the threat."
A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence added: "There is a defence review and an announcement will be made about it. There will be a full statement by Michael Fallon."
Military analysts have previously argued that without an aircraft carrier, Harrier jump jets or the ability to deploy a task force, the islands could be seen as an easy target for Argentina.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...5/Britain-to-increase-Falklands-garrison.html
 
Didn't we all boycott Argentine corned beef last time this happened ? ... where does our corned beef come from these days? .... I've still got my mint Falkland Island liberation crown in presentation case ... and can we send Nigel Farage, Jonathon Ross, Katie Hopkins and Russel Brand as well? ..
 
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