'The Great Global Warming Swindle': Is Climate Change A Myth?

kesavaross said:
I watched a video last night, which I now can't find, that had quite a few very qualified people speaking who all said that changes to carbon levels follow temperature changes and that the lag is about 800 years.
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Mythopoeika said:
It may be because CO2 and methane are locked away in ice at the poles and in the permafrost layers in some countries.
A warming climate can cause thawing and then a consequent rise in CO2 and methane.
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Both of these statements are probably correct, although the research I linked to in an earlier post suggests that the 'lag' is sometimes significantly less than 800 years. In a context which does not involve fossil fuel consumption, then the rise in temperatures at the end of a glaciation is not caused by CO2, but by other factors, mostly to do with the Earth's absorption of solar energy and its orbital parameters. CO2 rises then follow, and amplify those rises in temperature.

Human use of fossil fuels reverses this relationship, and causes an increase in the absorption of solar energy without the need for a change in orbital characteristics. That is why we can't ignore it - the change is superimposed on top of other natural changes, but it is all upwards.
 

UK: You may soon go to jail if you don't upgrade your energy efficiency​


"The government is proposing to create new criminal laws that would imprison and fine people for not complying with new energy efficiency standards. Soon they will make excessive energy use – and that will be energy use that rises above “Net Zero” – a criminal offence.

Property owners who fail to comply with new energy efficiency rules could face prison under government plans that have sparked a backlash from MPs.

Ministers want to grant themselves powers to create new criminal offences and increase civil penalties as part of efforts to hit net zero targets. Under the proposals, people who fall foul of regulations to reduce their energy consumption could face up to a year in prison and fines of up to £15,000.

The proposals are contained in the Government’s controversial Energy Bill, which is set to come before the Commons for the first time when MPs return from their summer break on Tuesday.

It provides for “the creation of criminal offences” where there is “non-compliance with a requirement imposed by or under energy performance regulations”. People could also be prosecuted for “provision of false information” about energy efficiency or the “obstruction of… an enforcement authority”.

Paywalled here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-failing-comply-new-energy-rules-face-prison/

Quoted from: https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023...u-dont-upgrade-your-energy-efficiency-n576157

maximus otter
 
maximus otter said:

UK: You may soon go to jail if you don't upgrade your energy efficiency​


"The government is proposing to create new criminal laws that would imprison and fine people for not complying with new energy efficiency standards. Soon they will make excessive energy use – and that will be energy use that rises above “Net Zero” – a criminal offence.

Property owners who fail to comply with new energy efficiency rules could face prison under government plans that have sparked a backlash from MPs.

Ministers want to grant themselves powers to create new criminal offences and increase civil penalties as part of efforts to hit net zero targets. Under the proposals, people who fall foul of regulations to reduce their energy consumption could face up to a year in prison and fines of up to £15,000.

The proposals are contained in the Government’s controversial Energy Bill, which is set to come before the Commons for the first time when MPs return from their summer break on Tuesday.

It provides for “the creation of criminal offences” where there is “non-compliance with a requirement imposed by or under energy performance regulations”. People could also be prosecuted for “provision of false information” about energy efficiency or the “obstruction of… an enforcement authority”.

Paywalled here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-failing-comply-new-energy-rules-face-prison/

Quoted from: https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023...u-dont-upgrade-your-energy-efficiency-n576157

maximus otter
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Brilliant. Because our prisons aren't at all overcrowded as it is.
 
maximus otter said:

UK: You may soon go to jail if you don't upgrade your energy efficiency​


"The government is proposing to create new criminal laws that would imprison and fine people for not complying with new energy efficiency standards. Soon they will make excessive energy use – and that will be energy use that rises above “Net Zero” – a criminal offence.

Property owners who fail to comply with new energy efficiency rules could face prison under government plans that have sparked a backlash from MPs.

Ministers want to grant themselves powers to create new criminal offences and increase civil penalties as part of efforts to hit net zero targets. Under the proposals, people who fall foul of regulations to reduce their energy consumption could face up to a year in prison and fines of up to £15,000.

The proposals are contained in the Government’s controversial Energy Bill, which is set to come before the Commons for the first time when MPs return from their summer break on Tuesday.

It provides for “the creation of criminal offences” where there is “non-compliance with a requirement imposed by or under energy performance regulations”. People could also be prosecuted for “provision of false information” about energy efficiency or the “obstruction of… an enforcement authority”.

Paywalled here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-failing-comply-new-energy-rules-face-prison/

Quoted from: https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023...u-dont-upgrade-your-energy-efficiency-n576157

maximus otter
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Not wanting to take sides in this debate but it's noteworthy that this report has appeared in the normally climate change skeptical right wing media, one could ask why would they report this?

Putting clauses like this in bills is quite normal and they get weeded out during the parliamentary process
 
Robbrent said:
Not wanting to take sides in this debate but it's noteworthy that this report has appeared in the normally climate change skeptical right wing media, one could ask why would they report this?
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Probably because the other media haven't made the effort to do so?
 
maximus otter said:

UK: You may soon go to jail if you don't upgrade your energy efficiency​


"The government is proposing to create new criminal laws that would imprison and fine people for not complying with new energy efficiency standards. Soon they will make excessive energy use – and that will be energy use that rises above “Net Zero” – a criminal offence.

Property owners who fail to comply with new energy efficiency rules could face prison under government plans that have sparked a backlash from MPs.

Ministers want to grant themselves powers to create new criminal offences and increase civil penalties as part of efforts to hit net zero targets. Under the proposals, people who fall foul of regulations to reduce their energy consumption could face up to a year in prison and fines of up to £15,000.

The proposals are contained in the Government’s controversial Energy Bill, which is set to come before the Commons for the first time when MPs return from their summer break on Tuesday.

It provides for “the creation of criminal offences” where there is “non-compliance with a requirement imposed by or under energy performance regulations”. People could also be prosecuted for “provision of false information” about energy efficiency or the “obstruction of… an enforcement authority”.

Paywalled here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-failing-comply-new-energy-rules-face-prison/

Quoted from: https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023...u-dont-upgrade-your-energy-efficiency-n576157

maximus otter
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That'll be rather a lot of people going to jail, then.
Or, more likely, being made to pay a punitive fine tax.
 
Eventually our lives will be governed by and rotate around 'net zero' and our carbon footprint will dictate what we can and can't do.
 
kesavaross said:
Eventually our lives will be governed by and rotate around 'net zero' and our carbon footprint will dictate what we can and can't do.
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The cost of entry for setting up/running a small business will be huge.
It seems like the UK is shooting itself in the foot.
 
So, people who ride about in helicopters rather than take a train may be put in jail?
 
Douglas Adams was so far ahead of his time.... the fabulously beautiful planet Bethselamin is now so worried about the cumulative erosion by ten billion visiting tourists a year that any net imbalance between the amount you eat and the amount you excrete while on the planet is surgically removed from your body weight when you leave: so every time you go to the lavatory there it is vitally important to get a receipt.

:chuckle::chuckle:
 
Best article about climate change research I have read in a while:

"To put it bluntly, climate science has become less about understanding the complexities of the world and more about serving as a kind of Cassandra, urgently warning the public about the dangers of climate change. However understandable this instinct may be, it distorts a great deal of climate science research, misinforms the public, and most importantly, makes practical solutions more difficult to achieve"

https://nypost.com/2023/09/05/as-a-...-to-tell-the-full-truth-about-climate-change/
 
So much has happened, data collected, since 19 years ago.
You do realise that as science develops, new techniques and technology enter the field, conclusions can change.
Nothing is set in stone.
 
maximus otter said:
The Guardian, 19 years ago:

“A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs…warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

But everything they’re warning us about today is totally correct. As sure as I’m standing on this camel.

maximus otter
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It was one scenario, but it's important to note it was not all climate scientists agreed with it at the time

And who knows without the influence of mankind by way of pollution it might have played out

One thing I can't get my head around is why are people so intent on polluting our earth? Most climate sceptics just want to carry on as we are the poor air quality in our major cities, the needless suffering of wildlife and humans, why would you be happy with that continuing? Just so they can have the right to drive a gas guzzling car?

My point is this it matters not if you believe that our actions are altering the climate, we just can't go on polluting it, especially when there are clean viable alternatives, but I agree with some that say some of the alternatives are very expensive, which is ridiculous
 
I've tried ignoring this thread, but people keep drawing our attention to it.

This is a reminder that the premise of this thread—already very broad—is that either

a) global warming is not occuring

or

b) global warming is happening but is not caused by human activity

And that

c) the myth that it is occuring and is caused by human activity is being propagated by various parties with various ulterior motives.

This is not a licence to bore on about government policies, or about how much it all costs the taxpayer, or how we must do more to avoid hideous disaster.

As with other politics-adjacent theads that only the same half a dozen people read, it will shortly be locked and pruned to leave only posts pertaining to the topic.

edit. The most recent twelve-months' worth of posts have been read and a swathe have been removed. My apologies to those who penned well-written contributions that have now been deleted; the work it would take to locate appropriate threads for them all would be disproportiate.

Thread Reopened.
 
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