The Great Global Warming Swindle

[kesavaross]

Do you think humans caused these volcanoes, somehow?

Of course! They were caused by global warming.

 

[Mythopoeika]

Of course! They were caused by global warming.

Or... they caused global warming?

 

[kesavaross]

Or... they caused global warming?

No no no. Global warming causes everything.

 

[Mythopoeika]

No no no. Global warming causes everything.

Ghosts. UFOs. Bigfoot. All caused by Global Warming!

 

[ramonmercado]

Ghosts. UFOs. Bigfoot. All caused by Global Warming!

Global warming is causing Big Foots to migrate from their traditional habitats.

 

[Tunn11]

Global warming is causing Big Foots to migrate from their traditional habitats.

Big foot are the cause, 11 foot tall and existing on a high fibre diet they have to be very gassy. Look at all the reports of the smell that goes with them. They are surrounded by a sphere of methane which sometimes causes UFO effects.

 

[Cochise]

Well, I've been promised global warming and it's still flippin' cold. In May. Threatened with a possible frost tonight. I've sold all my winter coats based on these promises, who do I sue?

 

[Mythopoeika]

Well, I've been promised global warming and it's still flippin' cold. In May. Threatened with a possible frost tonight. I've sold all my winter coats based on these promises, who do I sue?

Al Gore. He's got pots of money.

 

[Trevp666]

Al Gore. He's got pots of money.

Don't forget Greta Thunberg.
How dare you?

 

[Stormkhan]

Well, I've been promised global warming and it's still flippin' cold. In May. Threatened with a possible frost tonight. I've sold all my winter coats based on these promises, who do I sue?

This is why they changed it from 'global warming' to 'climate change'. Too many folks laughing, saying that British summers are so miserable, they'd welcome it.

 

[flannel]

Historic temperatures from ice cores etc (4 min video):

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654244932763123712

(X axis is thousand years)

Takeaway: Meteorological measurements started at lowest point in at least the last 8 years so impossible to say how much of current uptick is man-made (if any).

 

[Mythopoeika]

Historic temperatures from ice cores etc (4 min video):

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654244932763123712

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(X axis is thousand years)

Takeaway: Meteorological measurements started at lowest point in at least the last 8 years so impossible to say how much of current uptick is man-made (if any).

Good find.

 

[Trevp666]

Historic temperatures from ice cores

I watched a whole 45 minute documentary about the 'ice core dudes' only a couple of weeks ago. You'd expect it to be dull but it was absolutely fascinating stuff.
They go down a heck of a long way, not just hundreds of feet, but kilometres! IIRC it was over 3 kilometres deep where they were getting samples from, and they were still going deeper. And that was just one of dozens of holes they had sampled from.
One of the samples they did in the northern polar regions (I think it was Greenland) had twigs and leaves stuff in it.

 

[Ogdred Weary]

I watched a whole 45 minute documentary about the 'ice core dudes' only a couple of weeks ago. You'd expect it to be dull but it was absolutely fascinating stuff.
They go down a heck of a long way, not just hundreds of feet, but kilometres! IIRC it was over 3 kilometres deep where they were getting samples from, and they were still going deeper. And that was just one of dozens of holes they had sampled from.
One of the samples they did in the northern polar regions (I think it was Greenland) had twigs and leaves stuff in it.

Is that because they went all the way through to Australia?

 

[Trevp666]

Is that because they went all the way through to Australia?

Yeah, it came out upside down with a boomerang and a didgeridoo on it.

 

[Trevp666]

Actually, any antipodean point to Greenland would be somewhere far south of Australia.

 

[kamalktk]

This seems like the most relevant thread for this news article

Meteorologists targeted in climate misinfo surge​

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230513-meteorologists-targeted-in-climate-misinfo-surge
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Once trusted faces on the news, meteorologists now brave threats, insults and slander online from conspiracy theorists and climate change deniers who accuse them of faking or even fixing the weather.

Users on Twitter and other social media falsely accused Spain's weather agency of engineering a drought, Australia's of doctoring its thermometers and France's of exaggerating global warming through misplaced weather stations.

"The coronavirus is no longer a trend. Conspiracy theorists and deniers who used to talk about that are now spreading disinformation about climate change," Alexandre Lopez-Borrull, lecturer in Information and Communication Sciences at the Open University of Catalonia, told AFP.

"These scientific bodies are seen as part of the establishment, so anything they say may get disputed on social networks.

"They are providing evidence against what the climate deniers claim, so the latter try to discredit them."

 

[Ogdred Weary]

This seems like the most relevant thread for this news article

Meteorologists targeted in climate misinfo surge​

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230513-meteorologists-targeted-in-climate-misinfo-surge
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Once trusted faces on the news, meteorologists now brave threats, insults and slander online from conspiracy theorists and climate change deniers who accuse them of faking or even fixing the weather.

Users on Twitter and other social media falsely accused Spain's weather agency of engineering a drought, Australia's of doctoring its thermometers and France's of exaggerating global warming through misplaced weather stations.

"The coronavirus is no longer a trend. Conspiracy theorists and deniers who used to talk about that are now spreading disinformation about climate change," Alexandre Lopez-Borrull, lecturer in Information and Communication Sciences at the Open University of Catalonia, told AFP.

"These scientific bodies are seen as part of the establishment, so anything they say may get disputed on social networks.

"They are providing evidence against what the climate deniers claim, so the latter try to discredit them."

Truly, there is no limit to human stupidity.

 

[Mythopoeika]

Oh dear, out comes the truth...

 

[Cochise]

This seems like the most relevant thread for this news article

Meteorologists targeted in climate misinfo surge​

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230513-meteorologists-targeted-in-climate-misinfo-surge
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Once trusted faces on the news, meteorologists now brave threats, insults and slander online from conspiracy theorists and climate change deniers who accuse them of faking or even fixing the weather.

Users on Twitter and other social media falsely accused Spain's weather agency of engineering a drought, Australia's of doctoring its thermometers and France's of exaggerating global warming through misplaced weather stations.

"The coronavirus is no longer a trend. Conspiracy theorists and deniers who used to talk about that are now spreading disinformation about climate change," Alexandre Lopez-Borrull, lecturer in Information and Communication Sciences at the Open University of Catalonia, told AFP.

"These scientific bodies are seen as part of the establishment, so anything they say may get disputed on social networks.

"They are providing evidence against what the climate deniers claim, so the latter try to discredit them."

When people are called 'xxxxx' deniers, you know the establishment have lost the argument and are just resorting to propaganda.

Note - this does not apply to the original usage of 'Holocaust Deniers' - although even there some of the alleged deniers were just trying to establish exactly what did go on. It helps no-one if the injured parties exaggerate or distort - it only gives ammo to those who try to pretend it never happened. Just because there were far fewer gypsies or Jehovah's Witnesses available to be exterminated in the first place does not make their tragedy any the less. This is one of the few cases where percentages are as important as actual numbers.

 

[JahaRa]

Well, I've been promised global warming and it's still flippin' cold. In May. Threatened with a possible frost tonight. I've sold all my winter coats based on these promises, who do I sue?

That's because it is Not Global Warming, it is Climate Change. Some places get colder, some hotter, winds get more violent, etc.

 

[Cochise]

That's because it is Not Global Warming, it is Climate Change. Some places get colder, some hotter, winds get more violent, etc.

Climate change is a perfectly normal process. It's constant, it never ceases, and has never ceased for millions of years.

The 'normal' temperature of this planet is actually considerable hotter than now, we are on our way out of the last ice age (and might still sink back again). Similarly CO2 is at unusually low, levels, not excessively high. But people who can only think in terms of decades will never understand changes that occur over geological time scales,.

The idea that humans are behind climate change is just the result of hubris, egomania, a belief we run the planet. We don't, and the planet would hardly miss us if we weren't here. Look up the great extinctions.

 

[Stormkhan]

But I'd argue the 'just in case' idea.
Climate change is affecting many societies and nations. Just because it has happened before, or is a natural process, it doesn't mean that it's a bad thing to change our society's habits.
Sure, it might be argued that "it's not as bad as the doom-sayers declare" or "these people say stop ecological damage but they are hypocrites!" or even "We're doomed so why bother?"
But 'doing the right thing' is good, even if it's not necessary or impactful.
After all, the idea that climate change doesn't exist/is not important to the Earth might be true but if we live on this planet, isn't it a good thing to try to live in a better way that makes our existence on the planet better?

 

[Cochise]

But I'd argue the 'just in case' idea.
Climate change is affecting many societies and nations. Just because it has happened before, or is a natural process, it doesn't mean that it's a bad thing to change our society's habits.
Sure, it might be argued that "it's not as bad as the doom-sayers declare" or "these people say stop ecological damage but they are hypocrites!" or even "We're doomed so why bother?"
But 'doing the right thing' is good, even if it's not necessary or impactful.
After all, the idea that climate change doesn't exist/is not important to the Earth might be true but if we live on this planet, isn't it a good thing to try to live in a better way that makes our existence on the planet better?

I don't disagree that we could be more careful, but actually, we aren't. Electric cars are an ecological disaster, for a start. The complete inability to slow the destruction of the rainforests and the numerous species that depend on them is another case in point.

The whole 'Swindle' is about more profit for the ultra-rich and more control of us serfs, not the benefit of the planet.

 

[Ogdred Weary]

Whether what is happening to the global climate is man made or not is a moot point, even small changes can have severe effects - look in the uptick in wildfires recent years. It doesn't take too much of a reduction in rain, or increase in rain or the same amount of rain but falling in different seasons to have significant effects on farmer's yields.

 

[Cochise]

Whether what is happening to the global climate is man made or not is a moot point, even small changes can have severe effects - look in the uptick in wildfires recent years. It doesn't take too much of a reduction in rain, or increase in rain or the same amount of rain but falling in different seasons to have significant effects on farmer's yields.

The climate WILL change. It is currently unstable, between the end of the last ice age and the next period of 'normality'. The three thousand years it's been more or less static (Little ice age from Tudor to Victorian times notwithstanding) are but three clicks of the second hand on the planetary clock.

It's us that will have to adapt.

 

[Sid]

It's us that will have to adapt.

Maybe that should be altered to read. . . 'it's anything that lives that must aim to try to keep on living, that will have no choice but to find ways to try to adapt to the conditions that may present themselves to us?'

 

[Cochise]

Maybe that should be altered to read. . . 'it's anything that lives that must aim to try to keep on living, that will have no choice but to find ways to try to adapt to the conditions that may present themselves to us?'

Yes, I agree with your amendment

There are many types of life on the planet that have lived through multiple previous episodes of "climate change" - that is, the normal cycles of the planet - we have to learn to be one of those or perish.

 

[Sid]

Yes, I agree with your amendment

There are many types of life on the planet that have lived through multiple previous episodes of "climate change" - that is, the normal cycles of the planet - we have to learn to be one of those or perish.

Trouble is, that everything depends on everything else to adapt at the same time, and that might not be possible as timing, and adaption will be the key to survival!

 

[Cochise]

Trouble is, that everything depends on everything else to adapt at the same time, and that might not be possible as timing, and adaption will be the key to survival!

Well, no. Look at the Great Extinctions, where at least twice most of the then dominant life forms have been wiped out (Trilobites? Dinosaurs?)

The planet survived, and life regenerated. We are not essential or even significant to the planet. Life will go on.

I do hope - though don't necessarily believe - we are not the only planet that has generated intelligent life.