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The Loch Ness Monster

Mikefule said:
It is one of those pesky 99.9:0.1 cases. 99.9% it's a hoax; 0.1% it's an unknown species of 2 – 3 foot long (60 cm – 90 cm) monster. In this size range, it is not completely inconsistent with being an unknown species of freshwater nudibranch.

I do not have the facilities or experience to do proper scientific analysis, but I've spent a lot of my time around water, having been a scuba diver, kayaker, and sailor. Everything about those waves around the "monster" tells me intuitively they are small ripples, and the "monster" is no bigger than a goose. Cormorants are smaller than geese, but often swim with their bodies almost completely submerged prior to diving. However, those who have looked into the photo, and the less well known second photo have concluded it was a hoax.


Cormorants swimming with their bodies submerged, heads extended. Imagine a badly focussed badly exposed version of these pictures in which the bill (beak) is unclear.
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I didn't know "sea slugs" got as big as that - though I suppose an unusually large species could be. I didn't realise that there were freshwater species either.

I have often wondered if the Surgeon's Photo was an opportunistic rather than than pre-meditated hoax. What I mean is maybe a branch with a smaller branch (not sure of an alternative term) was floating and looked "creature like" and the man with the camera decided to have a little joke with it. Turned out to be more than a little joke though...
 
Ogdred Weary said:
I didn't know "sea slugs" got as big as that - though I suppose an unusually large species could be. I didn't realise that there were freshwater species either.
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Clarification: as I posted slightly further up thread: <<Nudibranchs are only found in saltwater and brackish water. However, it is not a big stretch of the imagination for there to be a similar species that can live in freshwater.>>
 
Loch Ness Monster and SECOND mystery beast spotted together in video, Nessie hunter claims

THE Loch Ness Monster may have a friend after a Nessie hunter claimed to have captured a mystery beast swimming with the legendary creature on camera.

Eoin O’Faodhagain, 58, was monitoring a webcam of Loch Ness when he spotted a dark presence he estimated to be up to 30 feet long.

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Nessie spotter Eoin O’Faodhagain thinks there may be another monster lurking in the LochCredit: Credit: Visit Inverness Loch Ness via Pen News

Shortly after noticed two humps surfacing not far away - and much to his surprise, they appeared to be moving away from each other.

The strange sighting has led Eoin to believe that Nessie might not be the only one lurking in the Loch

Eoin said: "It is obvious that the two Nessie-like humps are moving over a two-minute period, and the larger hump of the two has changed position from the smaller one.

"Given the fact that there is no disturbance of water visible between objects you would have to concur they are two separate moving creatures."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21663354/loch-ness-monster-mystery-beast-spotted-together/

maximus otter
 
maximus otter said:
Loch Ness Monster and SECOND mystery beast spotted together in video, Nessie hunter claims

THE Loch Ness Monster may have a friend after a Nessie hunter claimed to have captured a mystery beast swimming with the legendary creature on camera.

Eoin O’Faodhagain, 58, was monitoring a webcam of Loch Ness when he spotted a dark presence he estimated to be up to 30 feet long.

loch-ness-scotland-uk-explosive-801807154.jpg


Nessie spotter Eoin O’Faodhagain thinks there may be another monster lurking in the LochCredit: Credit: Visit Inverness Loch Ness via Pen News

Shortly after noticed two humps surfacing not far away - and much to his surprise, they appeared to be moving away from each other.

The strange sighting has led Eoin to believe that Nessie might not be the only one lurking in the Loch

Eoin said: "It is obvious that the two Nessie-like humps are moving over a two-minute period, and the larger hump of the two has changed position from the smaller one.

"Given the fact that there is no disturbance of water visible between objects you would have to concur they are two separate moving creatures."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21663354/loch-ness-monster-mystery-beast-spotted-together/

maximus otter
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I keep a regular eye on Loch Ness (online live) and this looks like the quite normal undercurrent ripples that are formed by the currents right across the loch - along with local offshore breezes. You can see quite clearly that the angle of the 'wake' is the same as the low-key one just behind it.
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Anyone looking for a job?

The Loch Ness Centre in Scotland is hiring a 'believer' to help them welcome tourists to the area

"As we prepare to reopen the Loch Ness Centre following extensive refurbishments, we're looking for talented, enthusiastic people to join us in our passion and mission to share Nessie's story even more widely.

"In exchange, the right candidates will receive a generous salary and benefits package along with the unique opportunity to engage with audiences from around the world and share Scotland's legendary history with them."
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To be fair, I have had the Nessie webcam on my desktop from time to time, and have a few times seen some questionable forms in the water, but nothing huge coming out of the water.
Once I did see an odd shape come up near the shore, which ducked down and disappeared.
 
Tunn11 said:
Is it actually in the loch? Could be a bird flying past, there doesn't seem to be any disturbance in the water.
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There’s some other photos of it & it’s a fair distance away. There’s no disturbance anywhere else on the loch either. I think we can probably agree it’s not a monster, whatever it is.
 
New very recent Nessie sighting with photo and sketch:

"5 April 2023 - Francesca McGarvey from Paisley was visiting with her mum and dad when she saw something in the loch at 11.52am. She descrbed being in their car 2-3 miles north of Invermoriston, driving south towards Fort Augustus at around 48mph, when she saw a dark shape emerge from the water, travelling north toward Urquhart castle. She said there were humps seen, possibly like back of a whale and about the length of two saloon cars - about 20 feet in total. It stayed above surface whilst moving for about 30 seconds. She took a picture and alerted her parents, who tried to find place to stop but couldn’t pull in safely but her dad also briefy saw it. They confirmed that there was no sign of boat activity in the area"

http://www.lochnesssightings.com/index.asp?pageid=717286
 
The DNA trawl of the loch a few years ago convinced me that there is no large unknown creature there. I do however still hold the view that the monster could be a large eel.
 
Mouldy13 said:
The DNA trawl of the loch a few years ago convinced me that there is no large unknown creature there. I do however still hold the view that the monster could be a large eel.
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Some reflections on the DNA findings here:

http://lochnessmystery.blogspot.com/2023/04/enigma-documentary-dna-giant-eels-and.html

He makes some valid points, for example no otter DNA was found yet otters inhabit the loch:

https://scottishwildlifetrust.org.uk/2019/06/life-on-the-loch-otters/

...but bear in mind that he is an avowed Nessie believer
 
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