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The Loch Ness Monster

Without the original image file (EXIF Data and all) being released it's hard for anyone to say when/where this image was taken and from what distance. It could be Nessie, it could also be bin-bags buoyant on a lake/sea, rocks, a crocodile, etc.
 
I've looked for all 15 of Chie Kelly's photos, but haven't come across them yet, perhaps they'll be released at some point together?
 
Stormkhan said:
But one can make suppositions based on what we know.
What's she meant to say? "No, really and truly, I took these photos ages ago. Trust me on this!"
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I think the doubts would be there regardless, whether it is 2018 ~ or yesterday, doesn't really make that much difference. Only the bits of facts will bring any belief in what she has - or does say, will correct (to some degree) doubts.
 
Another photo
Siobhan Janaway first mistook them as coming from a powerboat. But taking a second glance she noticed no vessels were on the famous loch.

She took a photo – showing a large trail of air bubbles visible to the human eye. Siobhan, from Inverness - near the loch - said: “There was something causing turmoil in the water off Foyers Point. Then it coalesced into a single object moving at speed just under the surface causing at least a 20 metre white wake.”
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If that's not a fake could it be one of the famous mats of rotting vegetation brought to the surface by gas? I've heard this theory but never seen any evidence of them although I guess they could be quite large and going at quite a rate when they neared the surface. Is there anything about how long it was visible for or what distance it covered?

Either that or it's the rare Northern Farting Sturgeon.
 
RaM said:
If that is the wash from a animal then it must be a big powerful beasty I see washes quite a lot
and that looks like a big one.
I have to admit it looks fake to me much as I would love it to be real.
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This part of the tree looks a bit odd. I know nothing about photography but that line of the tree looks very straight.786FF2FD-75C4-4F2E-8B77-972FCE4C9D75.jpeg
 
I've spent a lot of time on the water in boats of various sizes. I know what wake a RIB doing 20 kts makes, and what wake a cruiser doing 10 kts makes, and so on. That to me looks like the sort of wake a very fast boat might make. If that's Nessie, then Nessie is huge and swims at implausibly fast speeds near the surface, and it is surprising we don't see it regularly. Provisional conclusion: photo is not of Nessie.
 
And it could be Loch Ness; narrow water with woods and an obvious road on the other side.
 
RaM said:
If that is the wash from a animal then it must be a big powerful beasty I see washes quite a lot
and that looks like a big one.
I have to admit it looks fake to me much as I would love it to be real.
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With a couple of new-newness's or so it appears!
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Paul_Exeter said:
"Two pictures of something which may or may not be the Loch Ness Monster turned up on social media in the last few days."

http://lochnessmystery.blogspot.com/2023/09/two-more-photographs-from-loch-ness.html
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I think Roland has hit on the cause of the the "wake" photo here:-

When I saw this image, I discounted it as the creature pretty quickly, mainly because I was there the same morning on the 27th August at the Foyers campsite on the other side of the river. I quote from my trip report published four days before this photograph.

When I arose on the Sunday morning at Foyers, I looked out to the area where the River Foyers met the loch. The heightened flow of the river was rushing down to meet the loch and there was a lot of disturbance where the two collided. The general flow of the vaster body of the loch water was from the south west up the loch. However, the river water was hitting it at almost a right angle.

The result was a wall of resistance as the river water tried to merge with the main waters. The dynamics of this interaction led to the river water rotating in the direction of the loch water but also turning back towards the river giving us a sort of whirlpool.
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It is not photoshopped, just a natural - if rare occurance.
 
Min Bannister said:
I think Roland has hit on the cause of the the "wake" photo here:-


It is not photoshopped, just a natural - if rare occurance.
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Whatever the images depict, it's something with substance - not caused by the turn of water or wind.
Probably seals (which is what it looks like in the photographs) in the loch somehow finding a way through to the loch!
*Two opposing movements of water at the meeting line causes a line (wake, or wave) which is normally seen as a darkened area of water, highlighted by a lighter area of water.
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This is nonsense.

Seals have been known in the Loch a fair time. I recall a report in the 1980s mentioning them.

Have there been studies done on the matter?
 
Kondoru said:
...Seals have been known in the Loch a fair time. I recall a report in the 1980s mentioning them...
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Possibly this one? It's the one I recall - seems to me well-informed, actually includes photographs of errant seal and originates around 35 years prior to the 'proven in Loch Ness for the first time in 2019' suggested in post #1879.
 
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Seals in Loch Ness

I’m pretty sure I’ve posted this previously. To cut a long story short, seals do not commonly live in the loch. From Nov 84 to June 85 one seal was in the loch before it was shot [!] That seems to be the longest continuous confirmed sighting.

The conclusion

The data presented prove that a Common or Harbour Seal lived in Loch Ness during seven months of 1984-85, indicate that Loch Ness is entered by a seal about once every two years, and prove that a seal can live for many months in Loch Ness. The route of entry of a seal must be from the sea up the River Ness.
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hunck said:
Seals in Loch Ness

I’m pretty sure I’ve posted this previously. To cut a long story short, seals do not commonly live in the loch. From Nov 84 to June 85 one seal was in the loch before it was shot [!] That seems to be the longest continuous confirmed sighting.

The conclusion
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There's also this extract which also indicates how far seals can travel:

“The Loch Ness Monster And Others”,
by Lt.-Comdr. R.T.Gould, R.N. (RET.)
Published by Geoffrey Bles, June 1934

http://www.lochnessinvestigation.com/Seals.html
 
Sid said:
Whatever the images depict, it's something with substance - not caused by the turn of water or wind.
Probably seals (which is what it looks like in the photographs) in the loch somehow finding a way through to the loch!
*Two opposing movements of water at the meeting line causes a line (wake, or wave) which is normally seen as a darkened area of water, highlighted by a lighter area of water.
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I was talking about the "wake" photo, as reproduced by yourself in post 1873 above.
 
Min Bannister said:
I was talking about the "wake" photo, as reproduced by yourself in post 1873 above.
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Ah 'Min,' I see; I assumed that you seemed to have given a general I.D. on all the photos from. . .
https://lochnessmystery.blogspot.com/2023/09/two-more-photographs-from-loch-ness.html
In the individual photo that you have mentioned though, personally - I'm thinking that it's caused by something that is pushing through the water just below the surface, in order to cause that kind of a 'wake.' Given that the surface wave actually leaves two 'wash' disturbances (i.e. the wakes ~ or 'bow' wave disturbances) behind it as whatever it is that is causing it is cutting through and just below the surface water forming the two outward pressure waves.
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Slight diversion -

The Monster of Highgate Ponds

This little curio from 1961, possibly inspired by interest in the Loch Ness Monster, was on tv yesterday & features 3 children who, given an egg brought back from Malaya by their Uncle, find it hatches into a cute stop-motion monster which they befriend & name Beauty.

They take it to Highgate Ponds where once released, it grows rapidly when they feed it with fish - 2/6d for 3 kippers etc. It soon pines for its mum back in Malaya & they decide to rescue it by getting it to a London dock via the Regent Canal so it can board a ship to return.

The police get involved in the rescue, finding nothing much unusual about it, & eventually drive it to docklands with it’s head sticking out the roof.

The monster is laughable & as one reviewer put it
Man In Rubber Suit Wades Around The Ponds
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Features various London locations of it's time.

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