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Nessie is much more than a monster to us
We cling to the myth because it goes right to the heart of our culture and who we think we are
Brian Morton guardian.co.uk, Sunday November 16

The tourism people want us to stop thinking about Loch Ness solely in terms of the monster, and instead as part of one of the world's great geological formations, one link in the chain of the Great Glen. More Grand Canyon and less Jurassic Pond, you might say.

It's a persuasive idea, but the truth is that Nessie is a vital and complex icon. We need her, or him, or them, as a guarantor of national identity and distinctiveness.

It's 75 years since the first 'photograph' of the Loch Ness Monster appeared in the public prints. They came thick and fast after that, though for some reason they thinned out rather suddenly when colour photography came along. Loch Ness became a place of pilgrimage for a broad spectrum of researchers and obsessives, naturalists, New Agers, palaeontologists, cryptozoologists, hoaxers and film-makers; for Britons it's cheaper to get to than Dallas and there's a grassy knoll for everyone.

The place has a strange effect on people. It turned poor Tim Dinsdale, the best known Nessie researcher, into a brooding obsessive. It tempted the saintly Peter Scott into a gross manipulation of scientific evidence: turn a blurry photograph upside down, highlight and touch up a vague rhombus in the middle and, presto, you have a fin! It's a plesiosaur! And does anyone rib BBC royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell - 'Still watching dinosaurs, Nick?' - about his youthful obsession with the monster.

The 'Surgeon's Photograph' - and what a clever designation that was for what turned out to be an April Fool joke; who'd suspect a medical man? - has survived its own debunking and is still considered, even by disbelievers, to be an image 'of' the monster. In reality, it is the monster, an ambiguous surfacing of something many of us guiltily want to believe in.

The curious thing about Loch Ness studies is that all the debunking in the world doesn't seem to make a dent on the phenomenon. One by one, the classic photographs and iconic sightings are ticked off as natural phenomena or pranks: swimming deer, mergansers, a family of otters, fertiliser bags filled with straw, fishing-boat fenders and a broken hatstand (that was us; we were young and needed the money, though nobody wanted the snaps), 'vegetable mats' bubbling up from the goo, boat wakes and standing waves, logs and even dogs - one famous picture is alleged to be a double-exposed Labrador with a stick in its mouth, which seems to me an even greater jump of imagination than thinking it represents a living fossil alive and breeding in a Scottish loch.

We need Nessie because she tells us so much about ourselves. If she exists at all, she must be impossibly ancient which reminds us of our own long past.

She's not altogether comely by all accounts, which is our way of telling the world that even if we lack superficial glamour, there's something impressive underneath.

Her very elusiveness is useful in a country which doesn't boast elephants or vast herds of grazing wildebeest. A Loch Ness safari is a triumph of hope over probability.

Deeper than all this, though, is that almost metaphysical question about whether the Loch Ness Monster actually exists and what she represents.

There's a touch of spuriously elegant coincidence in the recognition that Nessie was first photographed in the year King Kong was released and Hitler assumed power in Germany, forming the Gestapo shortly thereafter.

I once spent a very uncomfortable hour in an Inverness pub with an American woman who was trying to convince me that Nessie was the actualisation of evil. Perhaps more interesting is its closeness to the modern take-off of Scottish nationalism.

Though Sir Alexander McEwan was roundly trounced in the 1933 Kilmarnock byelection, beaten into fourth by three rival Labour candidates, he stood as the candidate for both the National Party of Scotland and the Scottish party, who managed to overcome their Lilliputian differences the very next year to become the SNP.

You're not going to tell me there's no connection between its rise and the sudden appearance of 'the creature'. After a slumber of centuries, Nessie suddenly started making more winning appearances than Michael Phelps, just as the Nats started to come on the scene. Coincidence? I don't think so.

I used 'actually' in its proper sense because even more deeply buried in the Loch Ness phenomenon is an anxiety that goes to the heart of Scottish culture.

Perhaps the creature was there once - during our human history, that is - but no more.

One school of Nessie watchers believes that our presence pushed her to extinction. Others will tell you that you won't see her if you're actively looking for her. Others still insist that you can only see her if you already believe.

Here's the rub: which specialism is more appropriate to Scottish identity, palaeontology or cryptozoology? Did it exist in the past, but is now little more than a fossil record? Or is it a hippogriff, put together out of elements lifted straight from the unconscious, but with no real-world existence?

Do we cling to Nessie because we don't really know who we are any more?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/nov/1 ... ss-monster
 
The current top 3 threads are

Loch Ness Monster
Hoaxes / Pranks
Yet another "spooky" picture

which combination sums up this topic perfectly. :lol:
 
Mystery over new 'Nessie' sighting
By Donald Wilson
Published: 05 February, 2009
A COUPLE enjoying a romantic weekend in the Highlands believe they may have had a close encounter with the Loch Ness Monster.

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Experts are now investigating this latest photograph, which was taken by accident, to establish if it is in fact the Loch's most famous resident.

Ian Monckton, from Solihull, took his fiance Tracey Gordon to a cottage in Invermoriston on the shores of the loch to celebrate her 30th birthday.

On their way back to the village at about 11pm they pulled into a lay-by. The driver's window was wound down and before the couple stopped their car they heard a commotion in the water.

Using the car headlights and the flash from his camera to check their footing on the rocky shores of the loch, data analyst Ian unwittingly recorded this picture which he hopes could be the elusive monster.

"There is clearly a very large shape in the water that looks aquatic a few metres out from where I was standing and you just see the tips of the trees lower down the slope to the loch in the photo," said Ian who has passed the picture to naturalist Adrian Shine of the Loch Ness Project to get his expert opinion.

"Myself and Tracey were always quite sceptical about Nessie but after having had this experience I would say we now have a very open mind on the matter.

"It was the highlight of our trip. We'll definitely be back and we are struggling to get an explanation for what we caught on camera."

Ian said the pictures were taken from a small cliff overlooking the loch. But it was only when they got back to their country retreat and checked the images they realised they significance of the what they had on their digital camera.

Ian said it was his first visit to Loch Ness and the weather was reasonably clear with only a light breeze.

"We decided to get away for a few days to celebrate Tracey's birthday and because it was off season we headed up to Drumnadrochit for a meal.

"On our way back to Invermoriston we stopped off at Urquhart Castle to take a few photos, but the lights that illuminate the castle were turned off, so there were no photo opportunities there.

"Then we pulled over at a parking point to let a car pass, as my fiancé doesn't drive as fast as the locals in the dark.

"I had the passenger window open as I was smoking at the time and as we pulled into the lay-by there was an rustling and a splash. It sounded as if a Mini had landed in the water. That's how loud it was.


The real thing? Nessie as we know her.

"We both looked at each other and I said 'What the hell was that'? It wasn't a small splash like a piece of debris or a stone falling into the loch. It sounded like a car or a motorbike had rolled into the loch.

"I got out of the car and walked up to the edge using the light from the car headlights to see where the edge of the loch dropped away and taking snaps with the camera so the flash let me see we where to tread."

The couple called out to see if anyone was there, or in trouble in the loch but couldn't hear anything apart from the water splashing around in the loch.

"After a while we continued back to Homewood, both wondering what the hell we had heard and joking about Nessie," Ian added.

"However, when we looked back at the photos I had taken up to and looking over the cliff we now genuinely believe there is something in this, there is clearly a very large shape in the water that looks aquatic a few metres out from where I was standing and you just see the tips of the trees lower down the slope to the loch in the photo."

Mr Shine, who has spent years researching the natural history of the Loch and the Great Glen and is the leader of the Loch Ness Project, commented: "We have been sent material and will be doing some on site investigations. There's not enough information on the image to hazard a guess what it could be. However, the account sounds not inconsistent with an animal such as an otter going into the loch."

Mikko Takala, who runs a webcam network for Nessie watchers worldwide, receives thousands of "Nessie sightings" every year as photos and videos.

He too has analysed the photograph and concludes it may be a dead fish.

"Obviously this photo is taken in the dark and camera flashes can accentuate details that would otherwise be barely noticeable in daylight conditions.

"I think this is probably a dead fish – maybe a flatfish."

Source
 
Looks like a swimming armadillo. Can armadillos swim?
 
An armadillo in Highland Scotland is almost as improbable as a monster...
 
ZERO~ said:
HEY EVERYONE,
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT HAS HAD A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE LOCH NES MONSTER (I.E. A SIGHTING, OR YOU MAY HAVE SEEN A VIDEO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT) WHEN I GET OLDER IM PLANNING ON GOING TO SCOTLAND AND SEE FOR MYSELF.
ZERO
Sorry to tell you the lochness monster is fake. Please don,t waste your money. They say that giant STURGEON are the only MONSTERS in the loch........ earl..... :D
 
The giant sturgeon needs no urgin',
The giant sturgeon is a really good fish.
The giant sturgeon is no virgin,
that's why the sturgeon is my favourite dish!
 
Yeahh..the sturgeon thing is probably true in some cases , but the real Nessie is a eunuch eel. Like Stormkhan's poem though . You should set it to a tune ;)
 
Has anyone ever found a giant eel in a loch or lake in the UK?
 
gncxx said:
Has anyone ever found a giant eel in a loch or lake in the UK?

Some time back in the 90's a diver was dragged around Loch Long for a bit by an eel which must have been fairly large to do so. IIRC the diver, who survived, was found unconscious on the shore of the loch, the theory being that he had cut himself free from the eel as it dragged him down and then surfaced too quickly (and let's face it, you'd probably want to get a wiggle on after an experience like that).

Loch Long is a sea-loch so it's maybe not that incredible that conger and diver might tangle occasionally. (There's another Loch Long, I think, but I'm pretty sure that this story was associated with the sea-loch).
 
Interesting. Good to know the possibility is there.
 
'Eels' have been mentioned over two dozen times before on this thread, dating back to 2002... ;)
 
Apolgies Rynner, but after 35 pages the odd bit of repetition is probably inevitable. Besides, if repetition was a crime this entire board would be a lot skinnier - cctv cameras, Gordon Brown, the bloody World Trade Centre...political correctness gone mad...Peter Mandelson...the police...New Labour...etc...etc.......ad.....bastaaaarrrrd.....infiniiiituuuuuuuuum.

Eels are friendlier, less likely to cause offence, and, in times of hardship, edible.;)
 
Eels are friendlier, less likely to cause offence, and, in times of hardship, edible
Yes, I like it! I think I'll try to create a strip cartoon, "Eric the friendly Eel" 8)

(I wonder if FT would buy it? :? )
 
Well it's tourist season soon so Im betting there will be a sghting in the near future!
 
Well, after years of reading here, I am going to post a Loch Ness related titbit.

I was playing a gig in Inverness on Saturday night, on the way home on Sunday lunchtime we dropped into the large Tesco superstore just out of town.

I waited in the queue and just as it was my turn to be served, I looked over to the doorway and saw Adrian Shine (plus female companion) leaving the store! :D

I didn't quite know whether to drop my shopping and run out and try to say thanks for all of his years of research, dithered a bit and hurriedly paid for my (now deprioritised) food. I made my way outside, but there was no sign of him..... :cry:

And every time I pass by Steve Feltham's van he isn't in.

Hi everone from a longtime LNM afficionado and wide-eyed romantic Fortean.


Oh and I think the eels have it.

R :)
 
I saw Shine last summer when at the Loch Ness Project place. Having just bought his book in the gift shop I pondered asking him to sign it but then he got in his car and I spotted an ice cream van and we went our seperate ways...
 
McAvennie_ said:
I saw Shine last summer when at the Loch Ness Project place. Having just bought his book in the gift shop I pondered asking him to sign it but then he got in his car and I spotted an ice cream van and we went our seperate ways...
Ah! That could have been the start of a beautiful friendship!

Maybe in a different time-line, eh? ;)
 
rynner2 said:
McAvennie_ said:
I saw Shine last summer when at the Loch Ness Project place. Having just bought his book in the gift shop I pondered asking him to sign it but then he got in his car and I spotted an ice cream van and we went our seperate ways...
Ah! That could have been the start of a beautiful friendship!

Could have been. Instead it was a fulfilling continuation of my relationship with frozen sweet dairy products! :p
 
I've just watched the 1970's Richard Martin Loch Ness documentary on the Paranormal Channel. It shows a large animal with flippers gliding past an underwater camera, and claims to be the first genuine film of Nessie.

Is it a spoof or what?
 
Well they're marginally steadier that the UFO pictures. The first one's probably a dog or a deer, it just looks weird at extreme zoom...

Another looks like a log bobbing up and down in the waves....

Don't you or your colleagues possess any video editing software? You might get better results than trying to refilm off a TV screen.
 
Timble2 said:
Well they're marginally steadier that the UFO pictures. The first one's probably a dog or a deer, it just looks weird at extreme zoom...

Another looks like a log bobbing up and down in the waves....

Don't you or your colleagues possess any video editing software? You might get better results than trying to refilm off a TV screen.

Thank you,going have to do the 2002 footage again yes there is some one with video editing software on computer we may get around to that,by the way a dog out about half mile from the bank i dont think it is that, and it would have to be a big dog at that.
 
A security guard claims to have spotted the Loch Ness monster while browsing Google Earth.

The image, which can be seen on the satellite mapping program, depicts a large object resembling a sea creature clearly visible beneath the surface of the water.

Jason Cooke told The Sun he spotted "Nessie" while browsing the website's satellite photos. Mr Cooke, 25, of Nottingham, said: "I couldn't believe it. It's just like the descriptions of Nessie."

Researcher Adrian Shine, of the Loch Ness Project, told the newspaper: "This is really intriguing. It needs further study."

The image can be seen by entering coordinates Latitude 57°12'52.13"N, Longitude 4°34'14.16"W in Google Earth.

Earlier this year it was reported that climate change may have killed the Loch Ness Monster. There have been "no "credible sightings" of Nessie for over a year.

Veteran American monster hunter Bob Rines thinks environmental conditions in the Highland loch have changed and can no longer sustain the elusive reptile.

Gary Campbell, of the monster's official fan club, said: "I'm concerned. There have been none of the normal sightings that verify that Nessie and her family are still alive and well."

The animal was first brought to the world's attention in 1933. Since then there have been dozens of sightings, many of which have turned out to be hoaxes.

There have also been a number of searches for the creature. The most recent was in 2008 when scientists used sonar and underwater cameras in an attempt to find the animal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6091308/Is-the-Loch-Ness-monster-on-Google-Earth.html
maximus otter
 
Here's the pic from the article:-

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Image is MIA.
 
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I think they've rumbled that the creature can be seen as when you zoom into the co-ordinates you see this.
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But when you go that one step closer...
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They've removed it!
:shock:

mooks out
 
Moooksta said:
I think they've rumbled that the creature can be seen as when you zoom into the co-ordinates you see this.They've removed it!
:shock:

mooks out

Sorry Mooksta your looking in the wrong place. You realy gotta get google earth it's much better. As when you view it like this, you can clearly see it;s a Boat.

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