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The Lost Ark Of The Covenant

Perhaps that started as an embellishment of the idea that the Ark was a capacitor?

(Which it would have been -- any configuration of two conductors with an insulator in between is -- but I don't know how much of a charge the thing could have been expected to acquire or hold.)
 
JerryB said:
Some people should remember that the Bible isn't a documentary ;)

Well, of course it is, silly. Even if some of the events depicted didn't exactly happen that way.
 
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The chap in question was author Laurence Gardner who basically is interested in white monatomic gold which can do everything in the entire universe but despite him showing white monatomic gold at every opportunity I have never seen or heard of any of these properties being demonstrated.

Gardner seems to view things differently but then I believe he is supposed to be a shape changing baby eating reptile, at least according to Icke!

Gordon
 
our significant rings are white gold - we both liked the Thomas Covenant books.

But so far we have failed to level mountains and part seas. On the other hand we are killer members of any pub quiz team so I guess it's all what you thinkof as impressive :)

Kath
 
All you need to know about 'Sir' Laurence Gardner - he's also interested in the Grail/Graal and pretenders to the throne of Scotland.
His website is at:
graal.co.uk/
Link is dead. No archived version found.


There's also stuff by him on the NEXUS magazine site:

nexusmagazine.com/LostArk.html
Link is dead. No archived version found.
 
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I posted some info about the stuff here:

forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9547&highlight=monatomic
Link is obsolete. The intended reference was apparently to:

ORMES / White Powder Gold / Monatomic Gold
https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?threads/ormes-white-powder-gold-monatomic-gold.13700/


Initially it does sound like a load of bull, however the US Military and Navy is openly researching the stuff for its super-conducting properties.

Apparently there is quite a lot of research into its medical properties as well.
 
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I also saw this piece yesterday and ending up almost shouting at my TV - what a load of bollocks! I can just about go as far as believing that the Ark could have acted as a Battery/Capacitor that might give people nasty shocks if they weren't properly grounded but after that he completely lost me. It was pseudoscience of the most crackpot variety! Mono-atomic gold my arse! And superconductors only display their "levitating" in low masses and in magnetic fields at very low temperatures. And old testament historian suprised me in that she only pulled him up on manna....

Sorry rant over. ;)
 
Ooh, monatomic gold and the Ark of the Covenant in the same thread!

Which thread will Rynner merge this into? Place your bets now!

On thread, if the Ark was such a devastating weapon how come the Philistines were able to capture it after stuffing the Israelites in a battle?
 
After staying out of the light, brushing tarantulas off my back, dodging poison darts and escaping an enormous boulder I declare three Lost Ark threads merged.
No doubt I will now be chased down a hill by angry posters as I make a break for the plane

Rynner! Start the engines!

:D
 
Chevalier de St. Germain? Presidential Attaché to the European Council of Princes? Jacobite Historiographer Royal?
Where did he get all these titles from? They all sound made-up.
 
Associate member of the Institute of Nanotechnology.

Sounds impressive, eh?

To achieve such exalted status one must go to their website and give them one's name, address and email.

That's it.

Takes two minutes.

Makes you wonder about the true significance of all the other titles/accomplishments/works.
 
Mythopoeika said:
Chevalier de St. Germain? Presidential Attaché to the European Council of Princes? Jacobite Historiographer Royal?
Where did he get all these titles from? They all sound made-up.

I think they're the sort of thing that the descendants of ex-Royal families give out, to give the impression that they're still in some way relevant and that they matter.... :rolleyes:


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Just found David Icke's article about 'Sir' Laurence being a reptilian shape-shifter:

davidicke.com/icke/articles2/gardnershifts.html
Link is dead. The MIA webpage can be accessed via the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20031205194446/https://davidicke.com/icke/articles2/gardnershifts.html


Another rational commentary from Mr Icke.
 
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Originally posted by Physick


On thread, if the Ark was such a devastating weapon how come the Philistines were able to capture it after stuffing the Israelites in a battle?


Rubber gloves ;)
 
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New story on the Ark of the Covenant:

israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=82226
Link is dead. No archived version found.
 
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Anyone who has a shortwave reciever can listen to Israeli news at 19:00 utc on 15640 kilohertz ,may hear something there about this story,maybe.
 
Somehow statements such as:

“I just gotta drill a bore-hole into the chamber, drop a pin-camera in and there it is. And everything is gonna change, believe me. The Jewish people are gonna come back.”

do not inspire confidence.

The Temple Mount was a favourite place for Victorian excavators so decoding the copper scroll to lead back there seems regressive. We shall see. :spinning
 
stonedog said:
our significant rings are white gold - we both liked the Thomas Covenant books.

But so far we have failed to level mountains and part seas. On the other hand we are killer members of any pub quiz team so I guess it's all what you thinkof as impressive :)

Kath

I did that too.

:D
 
A tunnel 18 miles long? That's longer that the Northern Line...
 
A Lead on the Ark of the Covenant
Thursday, Feb. 21, 2008
By DAVID VAN BIEMA

When last we saw the lost Ark of the Covenant in action, it had been dug up by Indiana Jones in Egypt and ark-napped by Nazis, whom the Ark proceeded to incinerate amidst a tempest of terrifying apparitions. But according to Tudor Parfitt, a real life scholar-adventurer, Raiders of the Lost Ark had it wrong, and the Ark is actually nowhere near Egypt. In fact, Parfitt claims he has traced it (or a replacement container for the original Ark), to a dusty bottom shelf in a museum in Harare, Zimbabwe.

As Indiana Jones's creators understood, the Ark is one of the Bible's holiest objects, and also one of its most maddening McGuffins. A wooden box, roughly 4 ft. x 2 ft. x 2.5 ft., perhaps gold-plated and carried on poles inserted into rings, it appears in the Good Book variously as the container for the Ten Commandments (Exodus 25:16: "and thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee"); the very locus of God's earthly presence; and as a divine flamethrower that burns obstacles and also crisps some careless Israelites. It is too holy to be placed on the ground or touched by any but the elect. It circles Jericho behind the trumpets to bring the walls tumbling down. The Bible last places the Ark in Solomon's temple, which Babylonians destroyed in 586 BC. Scholars debate its current locale (if any): under the Sphinx? Beneath Jerusalem's Temple Mount (or, to Muslims, the Noble Sanctuary)? In France? Near London's Temple tube station?

Parfitt, 63, is a professor at the University of London's prestigious School of Oriental and African Studies. His new book, The Lost Ark of the Covenant: Solving the 2,500 Year Mystery of the Fabled Biblical Ark (HarperOne) along with a History Channel special scheduled for March 2 would appear to risk a fine academic reputation on what might be called a shaggy Ark story. But the professor has been right before, and his Ark fixation stems from his greatest coup. In the 1980s Parfitt lived with a Southern African clan called the Lemba, who claimed to be a lost tribe of Israel. Colleagues laughed at him for backing the claim; in 1999, a genetic marker specific to descendents of Judaism's Temple priests (cohens) was found to appear as frequently among the Lemba's priestly cast as in Jews named Cohen. The Lemba — and Parfitt — made global news.

Parfitt started wondering about another aspect of the Lemba's now-credible oral history: a drumlike object called the ngoma lungundu. The ngoma, according to the Lemba, was near-divine, used to store ritual objects, and borne on poles inserted into rings. It was too holy to touch the ground or to be touched by non-priests, and it emitted a "Fire of God" that killed enemies and, occasionally, Lemba. A Lemba elder told Parfitt, "[It] came from the temple in Jerusalem. We carried it down here through Africa."

That story, by Parfitt's estimation, is partly true, partly not. He is not at all sure, and has no way of really knowing, whether the Lemba's ancestors left Jerusalem simultaneously with the Ark (assuming, of course, that it left at all). However, he has a theory as to where they might eventually have converged. Lemba myth venerates a city called Senna. In modern-day Yemen, in an area with people genetically linked to the Lemba, Parfitt found a ghost town by that name. It's possible that the Lemba could have migrated there from Jerusalem by a spice route — and from Senna, via a nearby port, they could have launched the long sail down the African coast. As for the Ark? Before Islam, Arabia contained many Jewish-controlled oases, and in the 500s AD, the period's only Jewish kingdom. It abutted Senna. In any case, the area might have beckoned to exiled Jews bearing a special burden. Parfitt also found eighth-century accounts of the Ark in Arabia, by Jews-turned-Muslims. He posits that at some undefined point the Lemba became the caretakers of the Ark, or the ngoma.

Parfitt's final hunt for the ngoma, which dropped from sight in the 1940s, landed him in sometimes-hostile territory ("Bullets shattered the rear screen," of his car, he writes). Ark leads had guided him to Egypt, Ethiopia and even New Guinea, until one day last fall his clues led him to a storeroom of the Harare Museum of Human Science in Zimbabwe. There, amidst nesting mice, was an old drum with an uncharacteristic burnt-black bottom hole ("As if it had been used like a cannon," Parfitt notes), the remains of carrying rings on its corners; and a raised relief of crossed reeds that Parfitt thinks reflects an Old Testament detail. "I felt a shiver go down my spine," he writes.

Parfitt thinks that whatever the supernatural character of Ark, it was, like the ngoma, a combination of reliquary, drum and primitive weapon, fueled with a somewhat unpredictable proto-gunpowder. That would explain the unintentional conflagrations. The drum element is the biggest stretch, since scripture never straightforwardly describes the Ark that way. He bases his supposition on the Ark's frequent association with trumpets, and on aspects of a Bible passage where King David dances in its presence. Parfitt admits that such a multipurpose object would be "very bizarre" in either culture, but insists, "that's an argument for a connection between them."

So, had he found the Ark? Yes and no, he concluded. A splinter has carbon-dated the drum to 1350 AD — ancient for an African wood artifact, but 2,500 years after Moses. Undaunted, Parfitt asserts that "this is the Ark referred to in Lemba tradition" — Lemba legend has it that the original ngoma destroyed itself some 400 years ago and had to be rebuilt on its own "ruins" — "constructed by priests to replace the previous Ark. There can be little doubt that what I found is the last thing on earth in direct descent from the Ark of Moses."

Well, perhaps a little doubt. "It seems highly unlikely to me," says Shimon Gibson, a noted biblical archaeologist to whom Parfitt has described his project. "You have to make tremendous leaps." Those who hope to find the original biblical item, moreover, will likely reject Parfitt's claim that the best we can do is an understudy. Animating all searches for the Ark is the hope — and fear — that it will retain the unbridled divine power the Old Testament describes. What would such a wonder look like in our postmodern world? What might it do? Parfitt's passionately crafted new theory, like his first, could eventually be proven right. But if so, unlike the fiction in the movies, it would deny us an explosive resolution.

time.com/time/health/article ... 37,00.html
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I'm reading Parfitt's book (about the lost Ark of the Covenant) at the moment and it's very entertaining and quite intriguing. It has much more quality than most other books, like those written by Graham Hancock. I can recommend it for an interesting read.

But most scientist are sceptical and common opinion is that the Ark disappeared in the times of Jeremiah when the Babylonians destroyed the first temple.


Link to book reviews
 
It almost smacks of synchronicity...I found a copy of Hancock's "The Sign and the Seal" for 79p in a charity shop yesterday, and now this thread resurfaces...what are the odds? :D :D :D
 
rynner said:
A Lead on the Ark of the Covenant
Thursday, Feb. 21, 2008
By DAVID VAN BIEMA

When last we saw the lost Ark of the Covenant in action, it had been dug up by Indiana Jones in Egypt and ark-napped by Nazis, whom the Ark proceeded to incinerate amidst a tempest of terrifying apparitions. But according to Tudor Parfitt, a real life scholar-adventurer, Raiders of the Lost Ark had it wrong, and the Ark is actually nowhere near Egypt. In fact, Parfitt claims he has traced it (or a replacement container for the original Ark), to a dusty bottom shelf in a museum in Harare, Zimbabwe.

And all it was, was a half burnt husk of a war drum. And a probably Nth generation war drum at that.

Can we really compare a war drum to the description of the ark? I wasn't convinced at all and I'm an uber sceptic. IMO the Raiders image is as good as any.
 
Indiana Jones: Lost Ark of the Covenant 'traced to Ethiopia'
By our foreign staff
Last Updated: 1:00PM BST 13/05/2008

German archaeologists have claimed to have found one of the fabled resting places of the Ark of the Covenant, the chest holding the Ten Commandments which gave the ancient Israelites their power.
The University of Hamburg say its researchers have found the remains of the 10th century BC palace of the Queen of Sheba in Axum, Ethiopia, and an altar which at one time reputedly held the precious treasure.

Archaeologist Helmut Ziegert, who is leading the dig said: “From the dating, its position and the details that we have found, I am sure that this is the palace.”

Ethiopian legends holds that the Ark was taken to the palace of the Queen of Sheba by King Solomon, the king of the Jews, after they fell in love.

After the Queen’s death her son, Menelek, rebuilt the palace and dedicated it to the cult of Sirius, but kept the Ark in its resting place there.

The team said evidence at the site included Sirius symbols, the debris of sacrifices and the alignment of sacred buildings to the rising-point of Sirius, the brightest star in the sky.

“The results we have suggest that a Cult of Sothis developed in Ethiopia with the arrival of Judaism and the Ark of the Covenant and continued until 600 AD,” the university said. Sothis is the ancient Greek name for Sirius.

The German research, which began in 1999, is aimed at documenting the origins of the Ethiopian state and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

The hunt for the Ark, which featured in the Indiana Jones film Raiders of the Lost Ark, has become almost as legendary as the artefact itself.

The 1981 film has the artefact recovered by the Nazis from a resting place in the “Well of Souls” in Tanis, Egypt – not to be confused with the Well of Souls on Temple Mount, Jerusalem.

The Nazi treasure hunters are later killed when the Ark is opened.

The Old Testament recounts that Moses, on leading the Israelites from Egypt, received the Ten Commandments from God on Mount Sinai.

These Commandments, written on stone tablets, were later placed in a chest made from acacia wood, plated with gold and topped with two golden angels. This was the Ark of the Covenant.

The Ark was then kept in the Temple of Solomon Jerusalem for centuries, according to the Old Testament.

After Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC, the Bible and it entered the realm of legend.

Ethiopian tradition claims that the Ark was moved to Axum from Jerusalem in 10th century BC.

A sect in Ethiopia maintains that the Ark is kept at the church of St Mary of Zion, but the site is defended by monks and only one guardian is allowed to see it, making the claim impossible to verify.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/ethiopia/1951679/Lost-ark-'discovered-in-Ethiopia'.html
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HA ha im sorry but i can not take this seriously the Ark of the Covenant is a myth like of things in the Bible.
 
HA ha im sorry but i can not take this seriously the Ark of the Covenant is a myth

Well I don't think there is much doubt that an artifact existed which was said to contain Moses' tablets of stone and which was venerated by the early Jewish people. Whether it had some of the supernatural powers ascribed to it, and whether there is any possibility that it might have survived, is another matter. :D
 
megadeth16 said:
HA ha im sorry but i can not take this seriously the Ark of the Covenant is a myth like of things in the Bible.

You actually have less proof of its non-existence than there is proof of its existence.
 
megadeth16 said:
HA ha im sorry but i can not take this seriously the Ark of the Covenant is a myth like of things in the Bible.

What do you think is a myth? the box? the exact box as described? something with functional equivalency? the stuff put in the box?

Discuss!

Kath
 
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