The Ship

[Mighty_Emperor]

Oh how everyone is going to laugh on the other side of their faces when they wake up one morning open the curtains and there is Human_84 and his chums mooning us from their Technicolor Dream UFO.

I for one would love to see this thing flying.
So, when can you arrange for a group of us to witness a demonstration flight?
Soon, is what you said - so I'm sure we don't have long to wait, right?

And that is it really - easiest way to stop the cheap jibes: Show us the flying saucer.

We have FTMBers in most parts of the globe and I bet some of them would be in for getting up early on a frosty Sunday morning and going and seeing the thing (even if sworn not to reveal any locations) and my first stage of curiosity would be satisfied if a couple of members of good standing (Viagra allowed) said it all seemed above board.

I am also reckless with my own phsyical safety and so would be up for having a go in a test flight.

So bring it on.

One wonders if it would be a good idea to shut this thread down until you actually have something to show us as, if the weeks stretch into months, I suspect this thread could degenerate further until people are saving their rotting vegetables.

I should also say that the negative reactions don't in anyway give you a get out clause for not explaining further Also I'm just daft enough to wonder why you'd leave yourself open to something that is so clearly falsifiable and certainly daft enough to want to see the flying saucer... well fly.

 

[Graylien]

The technology, it’s all in the hieroglyphs and we follow many of those tightly. Its about the yin and the yang, balance, the matrix table, and the star of david

This whole thing reminded me of George Van Tassels Integraton. Even more so when I visited the official Integraton Website and read the following

Scientist and pilot, Bruce Cathie, author of Harmonics 33 pronounced:

"The Integratron has the same harmonic value that is built into the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid. I believe that this harmonic is connected with inter-dimensional values. The yin/yang or gateway to dimensions."

So, is Mr 84 in contact with the same aliens who inspired Van Tassel? And if so, will he be building his starship entirely out of wood?

 

[Anome]

Bruce Cathie is a scientist now? Did I miss a memo?

 

[stu neville]

Probably in as much as David Icke is a "prophet", and L Ron Hubbard a "guru".

 

[Anome]

OK. Just checking.

 

[Dingo667]

All of this is so strange. When I read Humans post I thought there can only be two reasons for posting it here.
1) He believes it is all true
2) it is a hoax

Having read most of Humans posts I believe it is more number 1 than 2. However like others said, considering the other threads which had absolutely no substance I am more than a little sceptic about this one. The pictures are not convincing either, the last one almost looking like a photoshop job.
Of course we are a suspicious lot, that's why we are "forteans" and not "gullibles". I can't say if there is actually any truth in this until we actually get some proper evidence such as outlined by Emperor. If it is really [believed] to be real, let one of our lot have a look, make it different to all other claims about UFOs which can't be verified. There is a serious chance here to actually prove to us that all this stuff is real, please let us.
Also it is not that we are sceptics, I recon most of us really would like alien technology to be real but we won't buy it until we have seen something concrete.
So please Human have a word and make this one different to the "usual" claims by giving us more than pictures!

 

[carole]

Couldn't link to the pics, because Human had them as Img instead of URL. Couldn't open them when I cut and pasted them either.

Now they have disappeared altogether . . . maybe there is more than meets the eye to these photos and one of us was closer to the truth than he realised . . . :shock:

Very interesting words, Human, but seeing is believing.

 

[rynner2]

Yes, all the photos have disappeared - or were they abducted?

Most strange! 8)

 

[GNC]

Could it be perhaps that a higher power witnessed the less than gullible reaction here and abducted the pics to preserve the air of hidden knowledge?

 

[Mighty_Emperor]

Or the hosting service was having a few server problems that are now fixed

Enjoy them while you can.

 

[ruffready]

well, you guys can look at this till we get some more info on this UFO trip and disclosure.

Link Removed: Yith

 

[TinFinger]

ive seen dogs push more beliveable suff out of there backsides

 

[GNC]

Or the hosting service was having a few server problems that are now fixed

Enjoy them while you can.

Ah, that's Forteans for you - conspiracies everywhere.

And now a word from our sponsor:

Tom Waits
What's He Building In There?

What's he building in there?
What the hell is he building
In there?
He has subscriptions to those
Magazines... He never
Waves when he goes by
He's hiding something from
The rest of us... He's all
To himself... I think I know
Why... He took down the
Tire swing from the Peppertree
He has no children of his
Own you see... He has no dog
And he has no friends and
His lawn is dying... and
What about all those packages
He sends. What's he building in there?
With that hook light
On the stairs. What's he building
In there... I'll tell you one thing
He's not building a playhouse for
The children what's he building
In there?

Now what's that sound from under the door?
He's pounding nails into a
Hardwood floor... and I
Swear to god I heard someone
Moaning low... and I keep
Seeing the blue light of a
T.V. show...
He has a router
And a table saw... and you
Won't believe what Mr. Sticha saw
There's poison underneath the sink
Of course... But there's also
Enough formaldehyde to choke
A horse... What's he building
In there. What the hell is he
Building in there? I heard he
Has an ex-wife in some place
Called Mayors Income, Tennessee
And he used to have a
consulting business in Indonesia...
but what is he building in there?
What the hell is building in there?

He has no friends
But he gets a lot of mail
I'll bet he spent a little
Time in jail...
I heard he was up on the
Roof last night
Signaling with a flashlight
And what's that tune he's
Always whistling...
What's he building in there?
What's he building in there?

We have a right to know...

 

[Diabolik8]

the men in white are coming, human84. run!

RUN!!

:lol:

 

[Durhamghostwhisperer]

Hope the nuts and bolts hold up to the pressure, and nice to see that although this has came from a advanced alien race they are still using a Mig welder.

 

[TinFinger]

ive a w reg fiesta that looks better engineered
although i wouldnt consider it upto traveling faster than light through a vacuum

 

[bazizmaduno]

Emps wrote...

I am also reckless with my own phsyical safety and so would be up for having a go in a test flight.

Too right, mate! Me too!

I'll bring some beers, herbal equalisation and some heavy dub - tho' need to ask what format? vinyl, tape or CD?

Can we buzz the Whitehouse?

 

[Graylien]

Shades too of Otis Carr's home-built four dimensional flying saucer - which was simultaneously "completely round and completely square" - and the subsequent Bluebird Project undertaken by The Institute for Cosmic Research.

Read the whole rather convoluted tale here: [Dead link removed - Yith]

 

[carole]

Those hieroglyphs look very strange, is it actually ancient Egyptian? If so what's it from?

Some of the pictograms are Egyptian, the others appear to be made up, or from an (alien???????) script . . .

 

[AMPHIARAUS]

Why does one of the pics show a cycle chain incorporated into the structure when there are no moving parts?

 

[barfing_pumpkin]

Judging by the last pic, there seems to be a lot of wood involved in the construction (presuming they're not templates, that is.)

For some reason, I like the idea of wooden flying saucers. There's something cheerfully 'Pasquale's Angel' about it all.

 

[AMPHIARAUS]

I've just taken a closer look and Human, if you don't mind answering a few simple questions:

They all have taken advantage of the same principal using a form of propulsion that sports no moving parts and all have reached what you may call ZPE. The engine generates and displaces plasma energy without combustion

So it is essentially a reaction drive - displacing plasma one way - ship moves the other. So what is the ZPE?

We want to hear the first-glance opinions of people who don’t work on this monstrosity each day and night.

OK. First glance shows quality of workmanship that should not be used on anything as dangerous as a flying vehicle.
Thin walled tubes necked down by just cutting and bending in. Shock absorbsion(?) by using bolts and rubber washers? Mild steel box sections joined by plain welding, no gusseting or stress relief. The list is endless. What qualifications do the builders have to ensure the airworthyness of the airframe?

Funding - even if you do have an existing plan, building this thing is taking money. Who is bankrolling it and why did they not have it built properly?

I am reminded of the simpsons episode The Joy of Sect

 

[Peripart]

I've just taken a closer look and Human, if you don't mind answering a few simple questions:

What is the ZPE?

I'm assuming it stands for Zero Point Energy, though I can offer no suggestions as to how this would enable inter-stellar travel. Maybe you just have to pedal really hard to escape gravity (that would explain the bicycle chain), and then the ZPE drive takes over.

 

[AMPHIARAUS]

I've just taken a closer look and Human, if you don't mind answering a few simple questions:

What is the ZPE?

I'm assuming it stands for Zero Point Energy, though I can offer no suggestions as to how this would enable inter-stellar travel. Maybe you just have to pedal really hard to escape gravity (that would explain the bicycle chain), and then the ZPE drive takes over.

Pedal till it goes - like a moped :shock:
All references to Stargates ZPE power cells aside - I want to know how 'displacing plasma' - an ionised gas creates ZPE. Perhaps what they mean is a torus of plasma carries elecrical currents and interacts with the ZPE in space to provide traction.
I would like to see a demonstartion of those bolted on coils, if they are intended to constrict plasma inside the tinplate structure.

 

[Human_84]

I roll out of bed this morning and notice there's a couple of replies on this thread I made Friday. Excellent guys, good questions.

If anyone is trying to find where this is, forget it. This is the most important thing we have for our lives. I made a visit recently and that’s why the new pictures. A lot of what I do is sourcing the correct items; and theory with diagrams, small models, and balance. I have many blueprint copies I study almost each night. Pumpkin, you are correct in that the wood is only a frame. Also, I apologize when the pictures don’t show. It’s a free file server, so you get what you pay for I guess. : ) Amphiaraus, I'm no scientist but the reference to zpe is not unjust. We can tap endless amounts of energy out of these, to run welders, heat, lights, what have you. Most people have never seen such a thing, but when the prototypes run, they give off a haze not unlike that of a road or car roof in the summertime. However, this is cold to the touch, meaning it gives no heat. It covers the entire object in a veil of some type and a gentle push could send it any direction thru the air as if it had no mass at all. These shots in the first post were taken only a week ago. I already posted 90% of the pictures taken; I'll do 1 more now. What you see in the last picture on my first post is a photograph of the very tip top of the ship; this is where it all starts. Its approximately 1/4 the diameter of the full width from the ship. Different sections are in different buildings in the same location. I'm in no way shape or form pushing any religion on anyone, but you'll find that Ezekiel 10:1-22 corresponds with what you see in the photographs and this glyph. The sharper you are, the more references you'll pick out which match up to this post, my first post, and so on. Your choice if you want to go read that, I'll explain if there are questions. Its basically a full account of the workings of this very ship. In my personal opinion, this below is the number one most important glyph in that it shows the entire working. They drew in concepts, so nothing is to be taken literally. This particular one has been followed tightly thru construction. This has all become second nature to me (so to speak) and I forgot how intriguing it was at first, until I see your posts. Questions have been great, keep em coming if you wish. We're watching.


Edit: Link removed as no longer connected to original image. P_M

 

[Mighty_Emperor]

Sooooooooo any chance of letting some FTMBers take a peek?

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I'll bite on the Ezekiel business:

1 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne.

2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.

3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.

4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD's glory.

5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.

6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.

7 And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.

8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings.

9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone.

10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel.

11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.

12 And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had.

13 As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.

14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.

16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.

17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.

18 Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.

19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.

20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims.

21 Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

22 And the likeness of their faces was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar, their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward.

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Its an old avourite of UFOs in the Bible:

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and discussed;
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But there is nothing very specific there. Or I'm not sharp enough

 

[AMPHIARAUS]

Human, I'm a long time lurker, and I've seen your postings going back months - so I tend to think you mean what your saying. If not you've spent a bloody long time setting up a wheeze.

Questions have been great, keep em coming if you wish. We're watching.

OK

Amphiaraus, I'm no scientist but the reference to zpe is not unjust. We can tap endless amounts of energy out of these, to run welders, heat, lights, what have you. Most people have never seen such a thing, but when the prototypes run, they give off a haze not unlike that of a road or car roof in the summertime.

OK, assuming the group has found a way to utilise ZPE, and you have working prototypes - this has just solved the worlds energy and pollution problems. A press conference and a demo will do it. Quite frankly it would be far more important than cobbling together some flying machine. Why not do the whole world a huge favour and show us how to get clean energy?

It covers the entire object in a veil of some type and a gentle push could send it any direction thru the air as if it had no mass at all.

I think if it had zero mass a shove would accellerate it to light speed, but then I'm not a scientist so maybe not. Have you actually seen this with your own eyes?

Lastly, the contactee aspect of this is a factor. If there is some compulsion to assemble this with inmormation from external sources - how do you know your not building a bomb?

 

[Peripart]

Who's quoting whom here?

 

[Timble2]

The plaque shows Isis and Nephtys (her sister, wife of Set) on either side of a djed column - the spine of Osiris in some interpretations and the symbol of stability and endurance - holding the crook and flail - the symbols of Royal Authority.

I think that's Horakhte - Horus of the Horizon - at the top.

The baboons are symbols of Thoth.

The heiroglyphs on this one look a bit more believable, but I don't have a dictionary handy at the moment.


The thing's a copy obviously, it's about as authentic as the papyri that I pick up at a souvenir shop in Luxor. Not sure if it's copied from a temple, wall a, "Book of the Dead" papyrus, a stela, or "My Big Book of Eygyptian Designs."

Why seven baboons?

Do you have to wind-up the saucer to make it fly?

 

[Bertie_Akbar]

H84. Fascinating!

Q1: How do the blueprints manifest themselves?
Q2: What is the reason these plans for the ship have been given to your group?
Q3: How long do you think it will take to build?
Q4: If you actually get to fly this thing - how long do you expect to stay in the air before you are escorted to Area 51 by F19's never to be seen again?